BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

[Rover]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Not quite an apples to apples comparison. Both the Aquarium and MFA don't own garages. The garages offers a discount if you are a member, which I would venture many people who go to both locations are not. Now, if Agganis did that for season ticket holders and charged people like yourself who only come to a few games a higher price, then maybe you'd have something. Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea.

Its a start although charging people to park in a lot you own for attending your athletic event is stupid. Why? Because people aren't going to the games. If we were running Alabama's football program, then sure you have people where you want them and can price accordingly. Judging by attendance complaints, potential fans are finding something else to do with themselves.

 

[wysi]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Don't know exact numbers, but I would hazard a guess that it's way below that now. 25% of the Class of 2019 was from outside of the US so I'd bet more than 15% of that class is from the other 49 states.

I trawled through the admissions pages for a while and came up with a figure of 19% for this year's freshman class, the largest group but not by much. New York contributed 18%, so it would seem like there are probably fewer "hockey natives" than there used to be.

 

[mookie1995]

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Its a start although charging people to park in a lot you own for attending your athletic event is stupid. Why? Because people aren't going to the games. If we were running Alabama's football program, then sure you have people where you want them and can price accordingly. Judging by attendance complaints, potential fans are finding something else to do with themselves.

the season that HAA opened... the open lot across from wba was free the night minnesota played there, then $10 the next night when they played at HAA.

bu has a constant history of smart people doing dumbass chit. like you swallow a stupid pill as soon as you start working there.

 

[ericredaxe]

the season that HAA opened... the open lot across from wba was free the night minnesota played there, then $10 the next night when they played at HAA.

bu has a constant history of smart people doing dumbass chit. like you swallow a stupid pill as soon as you start working there.

Good point that parking was always free for the games at WBA. Why charge now?

 

[Bomber]

Good point that parking was always free for the games at WBA. Why charge now?

To pay for the arena?

 

[defkit]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Parking is still free for BU games if you are willing to walk by T'Anthony's and down a couple blocks into Brookline. I've been parking there for 20 years. Of course, in the ridiculous rain Friday night, it would have been worth it to pay to be underneath.

Interesting comment about HAA being better at around 4,800 seats. I don't disagree, but it was clear the venue would be for more than BU sports. Remember when the original proposal was something like 11,000 seats? And Parker said No way!

 

[ericredaxe]

Parking is still free for BU games if you are willing to walk by T'Anthony's and down a couple blocks into Brookline. I've been parking there for 20 years. Of course, in the ridiculous rain Friday night, it would have been worth it to pay to be underneath.

Interesting comment about HAA being better at around 4,800 seats. I don't disagree, but it was clear the venue would be for more than BU sports. Remember when the original proposal was something like 11,000 seats? And Parker said No way!

Agree about the street parking. I do it sometimes but tougher when there is rain or snow banks or a freezing cold night when you are bringing kids etc.

I Agree that other events was the reason for the size. I'd also guess that the arena has attracted far fewer non BU hockey events than they were predicting.

Thank god they didn't make it 11,000.

 

[chickod]

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I Agree that other events was the reason for the size. I'd also guess that the arena has attracted far fewer non BU hockey events than they were predicting. Thank god they didn't make it 11,000.

+1

 

[Agganis]

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This is not true at all. My database records only go back to 1984-85 season, but in 1983-84 Cleon Daskalakis was the main goalie in 1983-84, playing in and getting the W/L for, 35 of 40 games and on 1982-83 he played in 23 of 30 games. Beginning in 1984-85 Coach Parker used one goalie in more than 75% of the games 15 seasons, starting with Peter Fish in 1987-88, Scott Cashman in 1989-90 and Michel Larocque in 1998-99 before using Sean Fields for three seasons.

Sean

So in the 11 years preceding Fields only once did a goalie get 75% of the starts in a season, which seems to agree with my statement.

Not to change the current thread topic or anything.

 

[Game0n]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

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[Sean Pickett]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

This is not true at all. My database records only go back to 1984-85 season, but in 1983-84 Cleon Daskalakis was the main goalie in 1983-84, playing in and getting the W/L for, 35 of 40 games and on 1982-83 he played in 23 of 30 games. Beginning in 1984-85 Coach Parker used one goalie in more than 75% of the games 15 seasons, starting with Peter Fish in 1987-88, Scott Cashman in 1989-90 and Michel Larocque in 1998-99 before using Sean Fields for three seasons (2001-04), John Curry for three seasons (2004-07), Brett Bennett (2007-08) and Kieran Millan for four seasons (2008-12). Left out of that are Tom Noble, who played in 70% of the games in 1995-96 and Rick DiPietro, who played in 69% of the games in 1999-2000. I have created a spreadsheet with BU Goalie Stats for 1984-2016. It is missing games started, but I may go back and add that information into my database.

Sean

So in the 11 years preceding Fields only once did a goalie get 75% of the starts in a season, which seems to agree with my statement.

Not to change the current thread topic or anything.

You are using selective parameters to boost your case, as between 1987-90 Coach Parker used one goalie 75% of the time two out of three seasons. You also ignored that in 1995-96 Tom Noble was the main goalie, although he played in only 70% of the games, and in 1999-2000 Rick DiPietro was the main goalie though he played in only 69% of the games. If you include them it's 5 seasons in the 14 seasons before Fields, over 1/3 of the seasons.

I also went back and added looked at every season Coach Parker was head coach and over his 40 season career he primarily used one goalie (at least 69% of games played) in 22 seasons, 11 in his first 27 seasons and 11 in his last 13 seasons. So well Coach Parker used a goalie rotation or platoon system more often than not his first 27 seasons, he was not "married" to using two goalies. In fact it seems that when Coach Parker had one goalie that was clearly better he used that goalie, and when he had to goalies equally good (or bad) he used both. I have updated the spreadsheet with BU Goalie Stats for 1973-2016.

However, his change to primarily using only one goalie in his last 13 seasons, and usually only goalie for three or four seasons, is still a significant change and one worth discussing. Why the change? It seems to me that one reason is that a top goalie is less likely to want to go to a school that already has a top goalie already there or committed to play there.

Sean

 

[Tmtroiano]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Can anyone tell me why BU isn't playing this weekend? Is it school related? hockey related? schedule error?

 

[BU Fan 84]

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You are using selective parameters to boost your case, as between 1987-90 Coach Parker used one goalie 75% of the time two out of three seasons. You also ignored that in 1995-96 Tom Noble was the main goalie, although he played in only 70% of the games, and in 1999-2000 Rick DiPietro was the main goalie though he played in only 69% of the games. If you include them it's 5 seasons in the 14 seasons before Fields, over 1/3 of the seasons.

I also went back and added looked at every season Coach Parker was head coach and over his 40 season career he primarily used one goalie (at least 69% of games played) in 22 seasons, 11 in his first 27 seasons and 11 in his last 13 seasons. So well Coach Parker used a goalie rotation or platoon system more often than not his first 27 seasons, he was not "married" to using two goalies. In fact it seems that when Coach Parker had one goalie that was clearly better he used that goalie, and when he had to goalies equally good (or bad) he used both. I have updated the spreadsheet with BU Goalie Stats for 1973-2016.

However, his change to primarily using only one goalie in his last 13 seasons, and usually only goalie for three or four seasons, is still a significant change and one worth discussing. Why the change? It seems to me that one reason is that a top goalie is less likely to want to go to a school that already has a top goalie already there or committed to play there.

Sean

My bet for why the change would be related to the fact that goals per game has dropped so much since the '90s. Back then, what is the difference between a goalie with an .880 and an .890 save percentage and a 3.5 GAA and 4.0 GAA. If BU was scoring 6 or 7 goals a game, the mentality was probably to just go out and score some more if the goalie was letting in a few. With how tight the game has gotten, and all the 1 or 2-goal games, all of a sudden any advantage in save percentage or goals against average becomes a big deal and you have to play the goalie with the slightly better stats because he's your best goalie.

 

[Puck It]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Can anyone tell me why BU isn't playing this weekend? Is it school related? hockey related? schedule error?

It's a bye week

 

[Tmtroiano]

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It's a bye week

I guess I was looking for a bit more. If they have no Hockey East game why wouldn't they have scheduled a non league game? It just seems like a very odd time of year to have an off week.

 

[Rhett Hot]

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I guess I was looking for a bit more. If they have no Hockey East game why wouldn't they have scheduled a non league game? It just seems like a very odd time of year to have an off week.

That's just how scheduling worked out this season, with NCAA limits and the extra exhibition game.
Each team typically has a bye-week at some point during the season, excluding the long winter break (minus holiday tournaments/game or two other teams play).
BU just happens to have a early bye-week this time around.

 

[Tmtroiano]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

That's just how scheduling worked out this season, with NCAA limits and the extra exhibition game.
Each team typically has a bye-week at some point during the season, excluding the long winter break (minus holiday tournaments/game or two other teams play).
BU just happens to have a early bye-week this time around.

OK. Got it. Thanks!

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

Each team typically has a bye-week at some point during the season, excluding the long winter break (minus holiday tournaments/game or two other teams play).
BU just happens to have a early bye-week this time around.

I can't say I ever remember having a "bye week" during the season other than the winter break. This is a scheduling oddity for sure and not the norm.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: BU 2016-17 Season Thread I: The Kids are Alright

That's just how scheduling worked out this season, with NCAA limits and the extra exhibition game.
Each team typically has a bye-week at some point during the season, excluding the long winter break (minus holiday tournaments/game or two other teams play).
BU just happens to have a early bye-week this time around.

Not true, I can't remember the last time BU had a full bye week outside of the December-January break period. It's highly unusual. I don't know why it happened this year, the only guess I have is that this was the weekend we were supposed to play at UMass and that got moved to Fenway, and we couldn't find a replacement in time.

 

[BU Fan 84]

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Not true, I can't remember the last time BU had a full bye week outside of the December-January break period. It's highly unusual. I don't know why it happened this year, the only guess I have is that this was the weekend we were supposed to play at UMass and that got moved to Fenway, and we couldn't find a replacement in time.

Yeah, though we can't really have a replacement since there is a max number of games we can play in a season. Would've been nice to have that Union game this weekend though, to avoid losses to the WJC.