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BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
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The last goal they scored was in the 1st period Monday.
Harry Cleverly
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
I've mentioned it before, and will mention it again. Quinn, and his assistants, have shown no fire at all on the bench. He doesn't need to be Jack Parker, but he needs to show some life. Does he ever argue calls? Des he ever try to spark the team from behind the bench?
All well and good if he does it in the locker room, and one-on-one with the players ... but the BU fans would like to see that he has a personality and is into the game, not just resigned to another loss.
On one-hand, BU will honor Parker again by retiring his number 6 on Friday night. The school is cementing/protecting his legacy. But we also know that some in the administration wanted Parker gone, and there is a lot of speculation that his exit strategy was planned a bit sooner than he really wanted.
Do they want to Quinn to be the anti-Parker. Quiet, detached, say the right thing, never do anything that might embarrass the university?
I remember Parker saying that he never wanted BU to win Hockey East's Lenny Ceglarski Award, for the least penalized team. Not because it was named after a former BC coach, but because if they had the fewest penalties, they weren't playing with the aggression that he had wanted.
BU took a lot of dumb penalties the past few years, and Quinn has made it a point to reduce the number of trips to the box. But did he also take away some of the aggressiveness needed to really compete?
Perhaps it was best that Parker retired after last season. I doubt that his surgically repaired heart could have taken this season.
As for Quinn, he needs to show some heart if he wants his players to do the same thing. It is probably eating him up inside what has happened this season. He needs to let some of it out. Not to be like Parker. But to show the fans and that players that he is into the games, not resigned to a horrible fate and just waiting for next season.
Come on, DQ, we know you've got it in you.
I've mentioned it before, and will mention it again. Quinn, and his assistants, have shown no fire at all on the bench. He doesn't need to be Jack Parker, but he needs to show some life. Does he ever argue calls? Des he ever try to spark the team from behind the bench?
All well and good if he does it in the locker room, and one-on-one with the players ... but the BU fans would like to see that he has a personality and is into the game, not just resigned to another loss.
On one-hand, BU will honor Parker again by retiring his number 6 on Friday night. The school is cementing/protecting his legacy. But we also know that some in the administration wanted Parker gone, and there is a lot of speculation that his exit strategy was planned a bit sooner than he really wanted.
Do they want to Quinn to be the anti-Parker. Quiet, detached, say the right thing, never do anything that might embarrass the university?
I remember Parker saying that he never wanted BU to win Hockey East's Lenny Ceglarski Award, for the least penalized team. Not because it was named after a former BC coach, but because if they had the fewest penalties, they weren't playing with the aggression that he had wanted.
BU took a lot of dumb penalties the past few years, and Quinn has made it a point to reduce the number of trips to the box. But did he also take away some of the aggressiveness needed to really compete?
Perhaps it was best that Parker retired after last season. I doubt that his surgically repaired heart could have taken this season.
As for Quinn, he needs to show some heart if he wants his players to do the same thing. It is probably eating him up inside what has happened this season. He needs to let some of it out. Not to be like Parker. But to show the fans and that players that he is into the games, not resigned to a horrible fate and just waiting for next season.
Come on, DQ, we know you've got it in you.
sterlippo1
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defkit
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
He was certainly laying into Ronan after the pop-fly over his head led to a goal. Unlike the announcers, I didn't think he was lazy in getting back after the fact. I just thought he made a bad decision to try to catch it out of the air, and should have pivoted to get back sooner.
I was glad to at least see that he was showing emotion. But the reality is that at this point, it does come off more as a blaming than a motivating. Technically, this team is not dead yet, thanks to the new playoff format.
He was certainly laying into Ronan after the pop-fly over his head led to a goal. Unlike the announcers, I didn't think he was lazy in getting back after the fact. I just thought he made a bad decision to try to catch it out of the air, and should have pivoted to get back sooner.
I was glad to at least see that he was showing emotion. But the reality is that at this point, it does come off more as a blaming than a motivating. Technically, this team is not dead yet, thanks to the new playoff format.
mookie1995
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
This!
Previously documented, I have attended a few basketball games this year. I LOVE Joe Jones passion and fire. He's constantly teaching. I'm a sucker for this stuff. Also, I didn't like the way Quinn sulked off after the UNH loss, leaving Greeley to go through the handshake line alone. Bad form.
Mookie made my laugh out load. Well played, my friend. Well played.
BU Hockey: Three More and Our Long Nightmare is Over
This!
Previously documented, I have attended a few basketball games this year. I LOVE Joe Jones passion and fire. He's constantly teaching. I'm a sucker for this stuff. Also, I didn't like the way Quinn sulked off after the UNH loss, leaving Greeley to go through the handshake line alone. Bad form.
Mookie made my laugh out load. Well played, my friend. Well played.
BU Hockey: Three More and Our Long Nightmare is Over
coachhockeybob
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
Do you realize if we lose both remaining games, we get an advantage of only having to visit Vermont. ( a few other factors, like ND loses to BC @BC)
However, if we win just once, we move ahead of UMASS and must do the gong show travel to Notre Dame. So would you all say, they are in the drivers seat?
Do you realize if we lose both remaining games, we get an advantage of only having to visit Vermont. ( a few other factors, like ND loses to BC @BC)
However, if we win just once, we move ahead of UMASS and must do the gong show travel to Notre Dame. So would you all say, they are in the drivers seat?
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Yep. Gotta tank 'em both to play UVM. If you want them to win. Wait a minute, scratch that. A 1-0 loss in South Bend would be a perfect conclusion to this season. #Fitting
Yep. Gotta tank 'em both to play UVM. If you want them to win. Wait a minute, scratch that. A 1-0 loss in South Bend would be a perfect conclusion to this season. #Fitting
Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
I cannot tell you the frequency of which he explodes in the locker room, but I can tell you with certainty that he has done so at least once in the past 5 games.
Fans want to see their team win and when they don't they look for a reason that they never would have looked for otherwise. Millan was frequently described as sulking after goals he allowed during his sophomore and junior years when the team was struggling, but almost never during the team's winning years when he was a freshman and senior; his body language was the same all 4 years.
If Quinn was throwing clipboards, water bottles, and sticks and the team was still losing we would be saying he needs to be calm. If he acts like he currently does next year and the incoming recruits and returning players who get a full offseason under Quinn boost the team to top 10 this won't be a talking point. There are multiple ways to be a succesful coach (Bill Belichick, Phil Jackson, Scotty Bowman, Tony LaRussa, Terry Francona, Nick Saban) but listening to others tell you how to act is not one of them. This post isn't directly at you, Harry, you just happened to be the post I chose to quote.
I cannot tell you the frequency of which he explodes in the locker room, but I can tell you with certainty that he has done so at least once in the past 5 games.
Fans want to see their team win and when they don't they look for a reason that they never would have looked for otherwise. Millan was frequently described as sulking after goals he allowed during his sophomore and junior years when the team was struggling, but almost never during the team's winning years when he was a freshman and senior; his body language was the same all 4 years.
If Quinn was throwing clipboards, water bottles, and sticks and the team was still losing we would be saying he needs to be calm. If he acts like he currently does next year and the incoming recruits and returning players who get a full offseason under Quinn boost the team to top 10 this won't be a talking point. There are multiple ways to be a succesful coach (Bill Belichick, Phil Jackson, Scotty Bowman, Tony LaRussa, Terry Francona, Nick Saban) but listening to others tell you how to act is not one of them. This post isn't directly at you, Harry, you just happened to be the post I chose to quote.
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I agree with this. I don't see the point of Quinn going all WWF on the bench and bodyslamming refs or sneaking up behind Jerry York and clobbering him with a chair. The team needs better players. Its starts and ends with that. Screaming at these guys isn't going to make them skate any faster because they can't. For all of Parker's fire, on and off ice discipline was a continual problem over the last several years. Not blaming that on Parker, just saying yelling isn't necessarily going to change behavior.
What I think Quinn can and should be held accountable for is all the bonehead turnovers the team generates. While their lack of skating ability can't be fixed, passing to the wrong team can and I'm curious how much they go over this when looking at film during the week.
I agree with this. I don't see the point of Quinn going all WWF on the bench and bodyslamming refs or sneaking up behind Jerry York and clobbering him with a chair. The team needs better players. Its starts and ends with that. Screaming at these guys isn't going to make them skate any faster because they can't. For all of Parker's fire, on and off ice discipline was a continual problem over the last several years. Not blaming that on Parker, just saying yelling isn't necessarily going to change behavior.
What I think Quinn can and should be held accountable for is all the bonehead turnovers the team generates. While their lack of skating ability can't be fixed, passing to the wrong team can and I'm curious how much they go over this when looking at film during the week.
Jacques Joubert
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Maybe Quinn was just hired to run a clean program and change the culture? Granted the cupboard is pretty bare in terms of talent but they seem to have gotten worse, at least to this fan's eye.
Maybe Quinn was just hired to run a clean program and change the culture? Granted the cupboard is pretty bare in terms of talent but they seem to have gotten worse, at least to this fan's eye.
Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
I thought you left.
Agganis is right. Judging a coaching job from afar based on body language is a pretty silly exercise. I'm just sayin' that at this level, I'm a sucker for coaches who are positive and active on the bench. It shows me they are engaged and a leader of men. I know that's the type of leadership I would like.
BU Hockey: Message Board Analysis of the #46 Team in the Country
I thought you left.
Agganis is right. Judging a coaching job from afar based on body language is a pretty silly exercise. I'm just sayin' that at this level, I'm a sucker for coaches who are positive and active on the bench. It shows me they are engaged and a leader of men. I know that's the type of leadership I would like.
BU Hockey: Message Board Analysis of the #46 Team in the Country
Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
Again I'm not in the locker room, but could it be teams figured out BU as the season progressed (their D is godawful for example) and just started exploiting that? Sorta like having a goalie who's starting the season well until teams realize you can beat him up high or five hole all day so they change their approach until the guy proves he can stop it.
Again I'm not in the locker room, but could it be teams figured out BU as the season progressed (their D is godawful for example) and just started exploiting that? Sorta like having a goalie who's starting the season well until teams realize you can beat him up high or five hole all day so they change their approach until the guy proves he can stop it.
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In all forms of leadership you need to be yourself while employing basic startegies and tactics for success. You are right, there is not 1 way to be a coach. And you are also right that what works when you are 30-2 isn't the same when you are 12-20. The leader that persists has a basic credo and demeanor and can adjust accordingly to account for situations and people. Otherwise, you are easily pegged as a phony or waffler...trying to be all things to all people is usually a sign of failure on the horizon.
In all forms of leadership you need to be yourself while employing basic startegies and tactics for success. You are right, there is not 1 way to be a coach. And you are also right that what works when you are 30-2 isn't the same when you are 12-20. The leader that persists has a basic credo and demeanor and can adjust accordingly to account for situations and people. Otherwise, you are easily pegged as a phony or waffler...trying to be all things to all people is usually a sign of failure on the horizon.
Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
In regard to a guy's demeanor behind the bench, never easy when you're having a year like you guys are having. Maybe the most challenging part of the job. Personally, I think there has to be a mix between tough love and propping guys back up when things are tough. There's room for a coach to have both sides. In fact I'd say it's very important, especially at the collegiate level. Since you only see what goes on during games, has he utilized his timeout other than late game situations? Do you see him clapping behind the bench during games? Do you see him patting guys on the back during games? Does he "teach" during games by communicating what a player may have done wrong/what they should do rather than just go crazy? Those are things I would look for as I'm pretty sure the players are all pretty well aware that they aren't a good hockey team. They don't need to be reminded of that constantly.
In regard to a guy's demeanor behind the bench, never easy when you're having a year like you guys are having. Maybe the most challenging part of the job. Personally, I think there has to be a mix between tough love and propping guys back up when things are tough. There's room for a coach to have both sides. In fact I'd say it's very important, especially at the collegiate level. Since you only see what goes on during games, has he utilized his timeout other than late game situations? Do you see him clapping behind the bench during games? Do you see him patting guys on the back during games? Does he "teach" during games by communicating what a player may have done wrong/what they should do rather than just go crazy? Those are things I would look for as I'm pretty sure the players are all pretty well aware that they aren't a good hockey team. They don't need to be reminded of that constantly.
Harry Cleverly
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
Nothing personal taken. This is a good discussion.
I'd just like to see some life, some passion, some spark. Something.
Doesn't have to be anything negative, or angry. Just something that resembles some on-bench motivation.
Again, he doesn't need to be Parker. But I'd hope for something more alive than a manikin.
Nothing personal taken. This is a good discussion.
I'd just like to see some life, some passion, some spark. Something.
Doesn't have to be anything negative, or angry. Just something that resembles some on-bench motivation.
Again, he doesn't need to be Parker. But I'd hope for something more alive than a manikin.
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
I guess for me I'm not interested in how Quinn motivates 4th line stiffs who won't be on the team next year. It would be nice if he got them to play like 1st liners, but that's asking a lot. What I'm real curious to see, beyond any impact recruits we get in here, is how the few guys with talent, like O'Regan, Hohmann, Ballergerwhatver, etc play when they have more talent surrounding them next year. Are they permanently set back, which we've seen happen at BU, or was this a one year dip? If they remain stuck in the mud, that's on Quinn. He can't turn around no talent players, but he needs to few remaining talented hold-outs to kick it back in gear.
I guess for me I'm not interested in how Quinn motivates 4th line stiffs who won't be on the team next year. It would be nice if he got them to play like 1st liners, but that's asking a lot. What I'm real curious to see, beyond any impact recruits we get in here, is how the few guys with talent, like O'Regan, Hohmann, Ballergerwhatver, etc play when they have more talent surrounding them next year. Are they permanently set back, which we've seen happen at BU, or was this a one year dip? If they remain stuck in the mud, that's on Quinn. He can't turn around no talent players, but he needs to few remaining talented hold-outs to kick it back in gear.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013-2014 (Part III): Close your eyes, we're coming up on the end here...
I agree that we can't judge his coaching based on body language etc., but I am with Harry in that I would'nt mind seeing a little more fire.
In a 1-14-2 stretch pretty much anything is open to questioning particularly when it seemed as if we were starting to take some steps forward at the end of last season.
I agree that we can't judge his coaching based on body language etc., but I am with Harry in that I would'nt mind seeing a little more fire.
In a 1-14-2 stretch pretty much anything is open to questioning particularly when it seemed as if we were starting to take some steps forward at the end of last season.
I think the word would be " engaged " and he hasn't looked it on a regular basis. He was rolling out a litany of expletives during that ridiculous power play on Friday when they iced the puck twice had one pass picked off in the neutral zone then Noonan took a penalty. In his prior tenure he was engaged enough to email me back on atleast two occasions when I emailed him about some defensive concerns ( one named Morrow and one named Redlihs)!
BUPhD
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