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BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
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Jacques Joubert
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Will BU finish in last place in HE? Has this ever happened before? I don't see them squeaking out a single point against Notre Dame or NU.
Will BU finish in last place in HE? Has this ever happened before? I don't see them squeaking out a single point against Notre Dame or NU.
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
I'm 99% sure BU's worst finish in HE was 2003-04...The year where they had to win @ UNH in OT in the reg. season finale just to even finish 8th and make the HE playoffs.
I'm 99% sure BU's worst finish in HE was 2003-04...The year where they had to win @ UNH in OT in the reg. season finale just to even finish 8th and make the HE playoffs.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Side point here:
You see the ripple effect that UNH choking in March had on that season for BU, BC, and Northeastern? Changed the course of history. BU extended their season, it ended NU's season, and may have cost BC a HE title.
Side point here:
You see the ripple effect that UNH choking in March had on that season for BU, BC, and Northeastern? Changed the course of history. BU extended their season, it ended NU's season, and may have cost BC a HE title.
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
But it allowed Ben Eaves to get healthy for the Regionals --> FF.
A case study on UNH choke jobs in March would be fun for BU/BC/Maine fans... ;-)
But it allowed Ben Eaves to get healthy for the Regionals --> FF.
A case study on UNH choke jobs in March would be fun for BU/BC/Maine fans... ;-)
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
You've apparently not followed Notre Dame closely enough this season. They are capable of dropping a point or a game on home ice to anyone. They have been poorly prepared and coached for most of the season, their PP sucks and the goalie is completely unpredictable. I would be slightly surprised with a BU sweep this weekend, but no other set of outcomes would shock me in the slightest.
And BU has never finished last in Hockey East. In fact I believe in their history they have one last place finish, in the latter years of the big ECAC when it was sort of three divisions they finished last once in whatever division they were in. But even then there were other ECAC teams with worse records.
You've apparently not followed Notre Dame closely enough this season. They are capable of dropping a point or a game on home ice to anyone. They have been poorly prepared and coached for most of the season, their PP sucks and the goalie is completely unpredictable. I would be slightly surprised with a BU sweep this weekend, but no other set of outcomes would shock me in the slightest.
And BU has never finished last in Hockey East. In fact I believe in their history they have one last place finish, in the latter years of the big ECAC when it was sort of three divisions they finished last once in whatever division they were in. But even then there were other ECAC teams with worse records.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Another question to ponder:
How long of a rope does DQ have after this season being what it is? I don't think it will happen, but what if next year is similar?
Another question to ponder:
How long of a rope does DQ have after this season being what it is? I don't think it will happen, but what if next year is similar?
brassbonanza
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
I suspect he's given a pass on this season since these aren't his guys, and his recruiting has been very strong. With eight(?) new skaters coming next year, many highly touted, things must improve. Not necessarily win Hockey East or you're gone, but if it's a <~.500 season, then it becomes very concerning. I'd say after his third season, if things are still where they are, the conversations in the AD begin in earnest.
But this is getting way ahead of ourselves. There is no track record of Quinn not being able to coach a team, he's more than proven himself on the recruiting trail, and the current team is has at least one if not two full lines of skaters who may not suit up once next season.
I suspect he's given a pass on this season since these aren't his guys, and his recruiting has been very strong. With eight(?) new skaters coming next year, many highly touted, things must improve. Not necessarily win Hockey East or you're gone, but if it's a <~.500 season, then it becomes very concerning. I'd say after his third season, if things are still where they are, the conversations in the AD begin in earnest.
But this is getting way ahead of ourselves. There is no track record of Quinn not being able to coach a team, he's more than proven himself on the recruiting trail, and the current team is has at least one if not two full lines of skaters who may not suit up once next season.
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Quinn can reasonably argue for 5 years, which would give him a team of all his players. The great thing about our current situation is that if its not working out, the school can go out and find somebody else without giving them a 15 year grace period.
Mind you, he'd need to show some improvement over that time, not 5 years of this season. He'd be in trouble after 3 if this season became the norm.
Quinn can reasonably argue for 5 years, which would give him a team of all his players. The great thing about our current situation is that if its not working out, the school can go out and find somebody else without giving them a 15 year grace period.
Mind you, he'd need to show some improvement over that time, not 5 years of this season. He'd be in trouble after 3 if this season became the norm.
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Agreed. I also want to clarify that I am definitely not suggesting he should be gone. I'm just posing it, wondering what the University is thinking.
Agreed. I also want to clarify that I am definitely not suggesting he should be gone. I'm just posing it, wondering what the University is thinking.
Friend_of_BU_Hockey
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
I admit I'm still a bit shocked by how much the wheels fell off since Red Hot Hockey. Makes me wonder whether the 7-6-1 start or this 1-12-3 stretch is the aberration...
I don't pin this on Quinn. I think he's as frustrated and disappointed as anyone. I'm very curious to see what occurs this offseason in terms of offseason workouts, conversations w/ returning players, recruiting, etc.
I raise the point about offseason b/c he didn't start until May. I suspect his first 2 months were spent on knowledge transfer from Parker and assistants, numerous BU meet & greet events, determining his coaching staff. Given that returning players were in Finals and then had time off before returning for Summer Session I, it's quite feasible he had limited interaction with returning players and may not have established a structured offseason regimen for the team to follow until later on. Ditto w/ the incoming Freshmen who arrive for Summer Session II in July, esp. given the NCAA rules prohibiting coaches from running organized practices/workouts during the offseason.
I expect the tone for next season to be set as soon as this season ends. I also expect a more stable offseason for the program and think roster turnover amongst returning players may be minimal.
Quinn can reasonably argue for 5 years, which would give him a team of all his players. The great thing about our current situation is that if its not working out, the school can go out and find somebody else without giving them a 15 year grace period.
Mind you, he'd need to show some improvement over that time, not 5 years of this season. He'd be in trouble after 3 if this season became the norm.
I admit I'm still a bit shocked by how much the wheels fell off since Red Hot Hockey. Makes me wonder whether the 7-6-1 start or this 1-12-3 stretch is the aberration...
I don't pin this on Quinn. I think he's as frustrated and disappointed as anyone. I'm very curious to see what occurs this offseason in terms of offseason workouts, conversations w/ returning players, recruiting, etc.
I raise the point about offseason b/c he didn't start until May. I suspect his first 2 months were spent on knowledge transfer from Parker and assistants, numerous BU meet & greet events, determining his coaching staff. Given that returning players were in Finals and then had time off before returning for Summer Session I, it's quite feasible he had limited interaction with returning players and may not have established a structured offseason regimen for the team to follow until later on. Ditto w/ the incoming Freshmen who arrive for Summer Session II in July, esp. given the NCAA rules prohibiting coaches from running organized practices/workouts during the offseason.
I expect the tone for next season to be set as soon as this season ends. I also expect a more stable offseason for the program and think roster turnover amongst returning players may be minimal.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
I think you have to let him do his thing with a roster of his own players. Look what happened to York in 1997-1998 when he was in his 4th year at BC.
I think you have to let him do his thing with a roster of his own players. Look what happened to York in 1997-1998 when he was in his 4th year at BC.
Harry Cleverly
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
He signed a 5-year contract.
Quinn can reasonably argue for 5 years, which would give him a team of all his players. The great thing about our current situation is that if its not working out, the school can go out and find somebody else without giving them a 15 year grace period.
Mind you, he'd need to show some improvement over that time, not 5 years of this season. He'd be in trouble after 3 if this season became the norm.
He signed a 5-year contract.
ericredaxe
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That's $2 less than hockey!
BCeagle
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Really ? I think, like BC, offer free parking to get them in. Does your AD care that only 20 people show up ?
Really ? I think, like BC, offer free parking to get them in. Does your AD care that only 20 people show up ?
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
went to the BC High- Catholic memorial game and parked in beacon st garage- took 45 minutes to exit and cost $9
One machine for money and no one had a clue how to use it- no attendant for 30 minutes
went to the BC High- Catholic memorial game and parked in beacon st garage- took 45 minutes to exit and cost $9
One machine for money and no one had a clue how to use it- no attendant for 30 minutes
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
This topic comes up whenever things get "lean." Does the AD care? Of course. Does the President care? NO!! You have to understand that, a few hard-core fervent fans (especiallly those of us who have been around since BU was a "commuter school" in the 50s and 60s) aside, BU is NOT a sports school. As has been mentioned here many times, there is a HUGE international population that couldn't care less about hockey (in general, before anyone lambastes me). "Casual" fans will show up when the teams are winning. Regarding basketball, the problem has always been that once a coach comes in and starts to build a winning tradition, he moves on, because BU is a steppingstone job. So there is no continuity. When Joe Jones leaves, we'll go back to the bottom again and start rebuilding. I mean, can anyone blame him? You could take almost ANY New England school and argue that more than 20 fans would show up for a winning BASKETBALL team - a much more popular sport nationwide than hockey, which is a regional sport (again, don't lambaste me those of you in denial who still insist that we can "grow" the game to become as popular as the three "major" pro sports). As I have stated before, there is competition for the entertainment dollar here. This is not Madison, WI (no disrespect intended) or Grand Forks, ND where thousands will show up no matter what because it has been established for years as the premier attraction in the area. Even when BU won in 2009 (and I have mentioned this before, as well), their fans were outnumbered in EVERY arena they appeared away from Agganis. I'm not disparaging the people who showed up, because that's like preaching to the choir. But I sat at Verizon Center in DC and remember twice as many people cheering for Miami. You can say that's because they were the "underdog," but my point still stands: BU has a SMALL, albeit it vocal following (when they are winning) and it evaporates quickly when they are not. And even winning in 2009 could not blunt years of lackluster performances, which had slowly erorded the fan support. If it weren't for the still relative "newness" of Agganis, the crowds would have been even less. Just accept it and move on. We are not, nor will we ever be, Michigan football or UCLA basketball. Just because we may be one of the "elite" Division I programs in a sport does not equate to the rabid, almost religious fervor that is generated by these other schools. This is Massachusetts - it's just not like that here. If you're looking for that, go to Texas or Miami or Notre Dame. It's just not going to happen here. Aren't we getting tired of these discussions about why the "fan support" is not better. MOST fans are fair weather. They'll show up if the team wins...not because they're that "into" the sport, but because it's the "thing to do."
This topic comes up whenever things get "lean." Does the AD care? Of course. Does the President care? NO!! You have to understand that, a few hard-core fervent fans (especiallly those of us who have been around since BU was a "commuter school" in the 50s and 60s) aside, BU is NOT a sports school. As has been mentioned here many times, there is a HUGE international population that couldn't care less about hockey (in general, before anyone lambastes me). "Casual" fans will show up when the teams are winning. Regarding basketball, the problem has always been that once a coach comes in and starts to build a winning tradition, he moves on, because BU is a steppingstone job. So there is no continuity. When Joe Jones leaves, we'll go back to the bottom again and start rebuilding. I mean, can anyone blame him? You could take almost ANY New England school and argue that more than 20 fans would show up for a winning BASKETBALL team - a much more popular sport nationwide than hockey, which is a regional sport (again, don't lambaste me those of you in denial who still insist that we can "grow" the game to become as popular as the three "major" pro sports). As I have stated before, there is competition for the entertainment dollar here. This is not Madison, WI (no disrespect intended) or Grand Forks, ND where thousands will show up no matter what because it has been established for years as the premier attraction in the area. Even when BU won in 2009 (and I have mentioned this before, as well), their fans were outnumbered in EVERY arena they appeared away from Agganis. I'm not disparaging the people who showed up, because that's like preaching to the choir. But I sat at Verizon Center in DC and remember twice as many people cheering for Miami. You can say that's because they were the "underdog," but my point still stands: BU has a SMALL, albeit it vocal following (when they are winning) and it evaporates quickly when they are not. And even winning in 2009 could not blunt years of lackluster performances, which had slowly erorded the fan support. If it weren't for the still relative "newness" of Agganis, the crowds would have been even less. Just accept it and move on. We are not, nor will we ever be, Michigan football or UCLA basketball. Just because we may be one of the "elite" Division I programs in a sport does not equate to the rabid, almost religious fervor that is generated by these other schools. This is Massachusetts - it's just not like that here. If you're looking for that, go to Texas or Miami or Notre Dame. It's just not going to happen here. Aren't we getting tired of these discussions about why the "fan support" is not better. MOST fans are fair weather. They'll show up if the team wins...not because they're that "into" the sport, but because it's the "thing to do."
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Most of this is fair, but BU had by far the largest fans of any one school in DC, without a doubt. Granted the other 3 were Bemidji, UVM, and Miami Ohio but BU still definitely bought more tickets than any other school.
Most of this is fair, but BU had by far the largest fans of any one school in DC, without a doubt. Granted the other 3 were Bemidji, UVM, and Miami Ohio but BU still definitely bought more tickets than any other school.
BCeagle
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Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix
Usually at any BC hockey or basketball game, free at Commmonwealth Garage. Beacon garage is usually for donors, at least in hockey anyway and football. Recently when Commonwealth was filling up, they put me in Beacon for free.
Not sure what they do at high school games but like the TD Garden games, you have to bring your ticket to the machine to pay in the garage near city hall. I was thinking of the BC/CM game but was going to the Beanpot as I went to BCH myself. Usually BCH plays at UMass Boston.
They should have signs up to let you know where to park for free and the situation for parking for any games played at BC.
During football season, I went cheap and paid $150 to park on the rectory grounds, but Beacon is for bigger donors like $2,500 range. If you want to park on the field that is $5,000 but that's crazy. Who in their right mind does that unless you're wealthy or split the donation with other people to get a spot to grill and tailgate.
To add, when I attended BC it was more blue collar and local kids like me. But now, it is more students from all over. The tuition was high for me but manageable and able to pay back my loans. But today, for me, tuition is way out of bounds for middle class income and my daughter couldn't attend even if she is very good student unless she got substantial financial aid or scholarship money.
Usually at any BC hockey or basketball game, free at Commmonwealth Garage. Beacon garage is usually for donors, at least in hockey anyway and football. Recently when Commonwealth was filling up, they put me in Beacon for free.
Not sure what they do at high school games but like the TD Garden games, you have to bring your ticket to the machine to pay in the garage near city hall. I was thinking of the BC/CM game but was going to the Beanpot as I went to BCH myself. Usually BCH plays at UMass Boston.
They should have signs up to let you know where to park for free and the situation for parking for any games played at BC.
During football season, I went cheap and paid $150 to park on the rectory grounds, but Beacon is for bigger donors like $2,500 range. If you want to park on the field that is $5,000 but that's crazy. Who in their right mind does that unless you're wealthy or split the donation with other people to get a spot to grill and tailgate.
To add, when I attended BC it was more blue collar and local kids like me. But now, it is more students from all over. The tuition was high for me but manageable and able to pay back my loans. But today, for me, tuition is way out of bounds for middle class income and my daughter couldn't attend even if she is very good student unless she got substantial financial aid or scholarship money.
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