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BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

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Eichel, etc can be paired with remaining talented players (O'Regan, Balleraggeraggeragegerron, O'Connor, Oksansen, etc) to form a good team in relatively short order if he's the can't miss prospect he's supposed to be.

If Eichel doesn't pan out, they may as well take down the tent.
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

If Eichel doesn't pan out, they may as well take down the tent.


I'd say we need a top of the league star to come in the next couple of years. Whether that's Eichel or somebody else I don't know or care, but there has to be someone that's amongst the league leaders in scoring. Combine that with the few talented guys that we have already plus good goaltending already in place and that sets up a good team. Recruit a bunch of Kurker's and Cisse's and we're in trouble. :eek:
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

BU's pipeline is very strong. 3-4 years from now this will be no.

Think BC year York came in but with better recruits on board at BU

BU has very good grp in pipeline and more to follow

they will be top 3 soon enough
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

why? the kids at the hockey east schools not on scholarship would get the exact same financial award. they are all need based.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. You indicated that you find it amusing when kids are disappointed not to get a HE scholarship, when they can go to (some?) ECAC schools and spend less out of pocket. Is that only when need is a factor?

As I'm half-way through my third child's college journey, I have had plenty of opportunity to observe that a school's definition of "need" and mine look a bit different. But I have also observed that these Div III sports programs miraculously see more "need" for coveted athletes than they do for regular kids. Are you suggesting that the scholarship-free ECAC schools are pure and chaste, completely objective and blind to the athletic attributes of applicants when they determine need? If so, I'm glad all these poor inner city kids can find such fine establishments to take them in.

Very generally speaking, hockey parents don't meet most schools thresholds for needing much, if any, help. It's not a cheap sport to play.
 
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I don't think there's anything wrong anymore. I do think we're seeing the residual effects of the problems the team's had in the last few years.

They're shorthanded due to 1) disciplinary problems, 2) guys who pro-level talent leaving, 3) guys who thought they had pro-level talent leaving even if they couldn't crack 5 goals a year in college.

Disciplinary problems seem to be cleared up as old coaching regime which trusted the players a little too much to police themselves is gone and I'm not aware of any off ice incidents recently. Pro-guys leaving happens everywhere so it is what it is. No talent guys leaving is addition by subtraction and a by-product of bad recruiting and/or constipated offensive style that may have stiffled some of them.

Eichel, etc can be paired with remaining talented players (O'Regan, Balleraggeraggeragegerron, O'Connor, Oksansen, etc) to form a good team in relatively short order if he's the can't miss prospect he's supposed to be.

Let's not sugar coat it though... I agree the talent level is not where we want it to be, but at the same time this team has enough talent to be doing better than they are. Something isn't right right now.
 
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Let's not sugar coat it though... I agree the talent level is not where we want it to be, but at the same time this team has enough talent to be doing better than they are. Something isn't right right now.

Agreed. I'm disappointed in the record and the way the few talented players are playing (exception O'Connor who's facing 50 shots a night and a VERY shoddy defense). However, I wasn't expecting great things this year IIRC so I'm willing to write this season off provided things get better quickly next year.
 
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Let's not sugar coat it though... I agree the talent level is not where we want it to be, but at the same time this team has enough talent to be doing better than they are. Something isn't right right now.

Thru Red Hot Hockey the team was doing what I expected it to. Beat the teams they should, get beat by more talented & experienced teams, and win a game or 2 against those more talented & experienced teams. Expected them to finish strong at the end of last semester given the opposition and continue to improve in the 2nd half.

When that didn't happen, I then thought perhaps the time off and fresh start would do some good...I guess I was wrong.
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

When that didn't happen, I then thought perhaps the time off and fresh start would do some good...I guess I was wrong.

This has been the most disconcerting thing to me, that the time off away from their normal routine, class, campus, etc. seemingly did nothing for them. In fact, it appears things have gotten worse. The same bad habits are there, the same lack of communication is there, and they don't appear to be refreshed. If anything, they seem to have fallen further into the doldrums.
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

Assuming Eichel will be one-and-done is a mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if he's here for two years like Wilson. #44 ranked D MacLeod arrives in 2014 and BU isn't done adding for next season.

BU now has a verbal from Spruce Grove LD Brandon Hickey, NHL Central Scouting #63.

Written up this week in The Hockey News' NHL Prospect Hot List By: Ryan Kennedy on January 14, 2014
Brandon Hickey, D – Spruce Grove Saints (AJHL) Hickey brings a skill that all scouts love and that’s skating. The 6-foot-2 D-man has improved his offensive production with the Saints, totaling four goals and 16 points through 37 games after notching just seven all of last year. Draft eligible in 2014.
Played for Canada West in World Junior A Challenge and last year for Canada Pacific in the World U17 Challenge, in which most players were from the WHL.
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

all these recruits coming in -- some dudes are going to be risking cuts or cuts if they stay. and some will probably be cut.

Robbie Baillargeon-F______Fr - SAFE
J.D. Carrabino-D_______So - not seen, no idea
Brendan Collier-F_____Fr - errrr...
Kevin Duane-F_______Fr - ummmm....
Matt Grzelcyk-D______So - SAFE
Cason Hohmann-F______Jr - SAFE
Tommy Kelley-F______Fr - maybe safe
Matt Lane-F______So - SAFE
Dillon Lawrence-F______Fr - perhaps safe
Dalton MacAfee-D______Fr - in between, but leaning towards safe
Sean Maguire-G______So - SAFE
Mike Moran-F_____So - safe (cause it would be nice to have upperclassmen for once)
Matt O'Connor-G_____So - SAFE
Danny O'Regan-F_____So - SAFE
Ahti Oksanen-D_____So - SAFE
Nick Roberto-F_____Fr - SAFE
Evan Rodrigues-F_____Jr - safe (potential actucal seniors... A SENIOR!!)
T.J. Ryan-D_____Fr - safe as he is versitile and played up and back so far
Doyle Somerby-D____Fr - probably safe.
Shane Starrett-G
J.J. Piccinich-RW
Jack Eichel-RW
John MacLeod-RD
Chase Phelps-LW
A.J. Greer-LW
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

Moore why do you assume cuts? That's 25 guys you listed = only 4 not dressed for any given game.
 
all these recruits coming in -- some dudes are going to be risking cuts or cuts if they stay. and some will probably be cut.

Robbie Baillargeon-F______Fr - SAFE
J.D. Carrabino-D_______So - not seen, no idea
Brendan Collier-F_____Fr - errrr...
Kevin Duane-F_______Fr - ummmm....
Matt Grzelcyk-D______So - SAFE
Cason Hohmann-F______Jr - SAFE
Tommy Kelley-F______Fr - maybe safe
Matt Lane-F______So - SAFE
Dillon Lawrence-F______Fr - perhaps safe
Dalton MacAfee-D______Fr - in between, but leaning towards safe
Sean Maguire-G______So - SAFE
Mike Moran-F_____So - safe (cause it would be nice to have upperclassmen for once)
Matt O'Connor-G_____So - SAFE
Danny O'Regan-F_____So - SAFE
Ahti Oksanen-D_____So - SAFE
Nick Roberto-F_____Fr - SAFE
Evan Rodrigues-F_____Jr - safe (potential actucal seniors... A SENIOR!!)
T.J. Ryan-D_____Fr - safe as he is versitile and played up and back so far
Doyle Somerby-D____Fr - probably safe.
Shane Starrett-G
J.J. Piccinich-RW
Jack Eichel-RW
John MacLeod-RD
Chase Phelps-LW
A.J. Greer-LW

There might be underclassmen on the current roster that may not be on the roster next year, but having a better combo of talent and depth creates competition for playing time and reinforcements in case of injuries. It's been difficult to see "fringe" players pressed into regular duty b/c of no depth and no alternatives.
 
Re: BU 2013-14 (Part II): Crash before the Phoenix

Dillon Lawrence, Tommy Kelley, TJ Ryan, etc. are good 3rd-4th liners - they are playing a role above what they should be playing. If they get pushed down to their appropriate roles all will be better.
 
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