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Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

What talent is sitting on the bench, though? There's much more upside in the freshmen than in Joe Prescott, Andrew Doane, or Ryan Jacobsen (whose once-promising career has been derailed by injuries).

I agree- the freshmen shouldn't have solidified spots in the lineup, and those guys can certainly provide some grit. But it's not like we have an All-ECAC player sitting on the bench.

Whether they are All- ECAC players or not, is not the point. The main player we lost last year was Robertson, but other than that, the bulk of the team returned. The only change that was made was the recruiting incoming class (which should be very successful for the future). So if you play Prescott, Doane, Jacobsen, Rossi (whose played one game), Pryzbek (whose played two, but yet was invited to a pro camp this past summer) and Wood (who was scratched against Dartmouth...?) what do you have to loose? Maybe it will help gain back that team feeling they felt last season.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

Whether they are All- ECAC players or not, is not the point. The main player we lost last year was Robertson, but other than that, the bulk of the team returned.

I disagree, and think you are understating the contributions of guys like Wahl and Goldberg on the blue line, and Hathaway and Hourihan up top. Now, truthfully, Hourihan was never a scoring threat, but he was an able penalty killer and good grinder of a player, perfect for a 4th line. Hathaway provided energy and two-way ability, as well as special teams experience. Wahl logged a ton of career minutes on the blue line, and Goldberg became a solid two-way D-man as well. Now, I don't think Wahl was an all-star last year, nor was Goldberg all league, but they were seasoned hockey players who logged good minutes and were up to snuff in to terms of team speed.


The only change that was made was the recruiting incoming class (which should be very successful for the future). So if you play Prescott, Doane, Jacobsen, Rossi (whose played one game), Pryzbek (whose played two, but yet was invited to a pro camp this past summer) and Wood (who was scratched against Dartmouth...?) what do you have to loose? Maybe it will help gain back that team feeling they felt last season.

In terms of the players that you've referenced, here's my take:

1. Not sure what's going with Pryzbek. He played well, I thought, last year. Definitely showed some moxie, but maybe is missing a step or something. Good size, athletic... but there must be something missing. He played with many different linemates last year, so it's hard to tell if his production or lack thereof is a product of one thing or another.

2. Doane was coming on fairly strong when he got hurt last year. High energy - I liked him. He reminds me in a lot of ways of Kramer, just seems to have a motor that's always running (see also: David Brownschidle, Jeff Ryan). As for Prescott, good size, always wanted him to be better around the net and as a power forward type, but has always seemed a step slower than the system would require.

3. Jacobsen's knee injury was a killer. As a first-year, he was terrific, but I think that was partially because he got time on lines with Maclellan and Lorito. I don't know that he would provide more than the first-years, but I've always been a fan, and unless truly building for the future by playing the kids, and they are head and shoulders above, I would like to see what he could offer.

4. Wood didn't look great against SLU or Clarkson, my only points of reference. He is a stay-at-home D-man, not going to give us two-way power, in my opinion. He strikes me as similar to a lot of the other defensive defensemen we've had over the years (see also, Mike Wolff). Rossi hasn't played enough for me to have a full opinion of him, but given what I saw in the first couple games by the younger guys and Joe D, may be worth shaking it up by playing him. Can't be any worse, I suppose.

So I'm not in full disagreement with wanting to see some of the other guys play. I'm also not going into sky is falling mode, but it is obvious that the goalies are probably dealing with a confidence issue, the net is shrinking on our scorers, and the younger players need time to develop. For those of us who are impatient and want to see this team win NOW, particularly with Coach Whittet in year six, the "wait til next year" mentality gets frustrating. Bottom line - college hockey isn't about winning games 5-4 or 6-3 that often, so my bigger concerns would be the little battles, getting the puck into the offensive zone, and doing the little things that help your goalie see the puck - none of which seems to be happening.

The good news is we get a nice easy trip this weekend (sarcasm inflected). At Colgate and at Cornell. Yikes.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

Incidentally, in this day and age, where special teams are the difference:

Brown's power play: 1-13, 53rd nationally. (Wisconsin at 1-25 is dead last).
Brown's penalty kill: 11-18, 61.1%, 59th nationally. Dead last, with Niagara at 67.5% a bit above us.
Scoring margin is 56th out of 59; scoring defense is 57th at 4.20 goals per game.

Those numbers make me shudder.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

Whether they are All- ECAC players or not, is not the point. The main player we lost last year was Robertson, but other than that, the bulk of the team returned. The only change that was made was the recruiting incoming class (which should be very successful for the future). So if you play Prescott, Doane, Jacobsen, Rossi (whose played one game), Pryzbek (whose played two, but yet was invited to a pro camp this past summer) and Wood (who was scratched against Dartmouth...?) what do you have to loose? Maybe it will help gain back that team feeling they felt last season.

Hmmmm...I wonder whose parent this is?

The start to this season (as well as this post) is harkening back to the days of Roger Grillo and the insane ramblings of Brownie68. Hey I wonder whatever happened to that die-hard Brown fan. He seemed to disappear once a certain defenseman graduated.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

If they continue to play the freshman, the season is a lost. To slot them in is one thing but to be giving them prime ice time while the talent sits on the bench and in the stands, is disastrous. Give the juniors and seniors their team back and watch the spirit ignite.

If they arte in the stands they are not top 20, end of story. coaches coach to win
 
Incidentally, in this day and age, where special teams are the difference:

Brown's power play: 1-13, 53rd nationally. (Wisconsin at 1-25 is dead last).
Brown's penalty kill: 11-18, 61.1%, 59th nationally. Dead last, with Niagara at 67.5% a bit above us.
Scoring margin is 56th out of 59; scoring defense is 57th at 4.20 goals per game.

Those numbers make me shudder.

It's funny (in a really sadistic way) because after the SLU/Clarkson weekend, I (and a couple others, if I remember correctly) were praising the fine work the penalty kill unit had done. Evidently, something has changed in that regard.

Edit: just looked it up. SLU/CCT went 0-6 on the power play combined, including a major penalty on both nights. Brown actually scored a short handed goal (Davey Middleton, to tie the SLU game), and could have had another if Lorito hadn't botched his penalty shot against Clarkson.
 
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Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

No need to complicate this. As the saying goes, their top players have not been their top players. All zeroes for Naclerio and Lappin. One of Lorito's two goals was in garbage time. Those three have to lead the way. And Steel needs to be better.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

If they arte in the stands they are not top 20, end of story. coaches coach to win

Well Brendan obviously recruited them all and sees them at practice every day - so we can assume he is making the best decisions for the program. Based on results, I'm sure we'll see a few changes in the lineup just to mix things up.

Wow - 1-4 and heading to Colgate and Cornell! Didn't see this coming after all the hype.
 
The expectations for the younger guys were probably a bit unrealistic.

Some of the problems they are facing however, I expect to be corrected over time. I see a ton of turnovers. Unforced turnovers are killing the team. Its one thing to be under pressure and turn the puck over. It's quite another when you are giving the puck up on your own. Is it that these kids do not know how to give or receive a pass? Unlikely. More likely is that they had an additonal second of time at the previous level that they don't have now and must adjust to the speed of the game.

They have to get physically and mentally stronger. Too often the slightest bump or weak stick check is taking them off the puck. Its not only the freshmen though...there are only a couple players on the whole team who have been able to consistently win puck battles.

Once they begin doing this, they will reduce the possesion time by the other team dramatically. Puck posession time has been horrible.

As someone else alluded to, your best players have to be your best players. That clearly had not been the case. I fully expect that the Lappin, Lorito and Naclerio line will start to produce and by doing so will take some pressure off the youngsters. In the Army game (the only game in which they played together) they generated the best scoring chances of the night. Granted none of them went in the net but the offense they created is what will be needed to score goals on a consistent basis as you don't want to rely on pucks bouncing off skates as a couple of the goals we actually scored did.


Lastly, it seems they need to figure out their responsibilities in the neutral and defensive zones. On several goals this year there have been obvious breakdowns where they gave up the center of the ice despite having multiple players in the area. I would suspect that many of these players are playing a new scheme and are missing their personal responsibility.

All of these things with the exception off getting physically stronger, can be corrected in a relatively short period of time.

If they can begin to win some small battles and build confidence, I see this team being competative as the season progresses.
 
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We're going to have one heck of a hill to climb if we get swept again this weekend (which is rather likely). We would be 0-6 in league play and it's only November.

Even one point this weekend would help turn the tide. Confidence is at an all time low not just for the newcomers, but in the underachieving veterans, too.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

We're going to have one heck of a hill to climb if we get swept again this weekend (which is rather likely). We would be 0-6 in league play and it's only November.

Even one point this weekend would help turn the tide. Confidence is at an all time low not just for the newcomers, but in the underachieving veterans, too.

It is not-look at the stats on the forward side plenty of shots on goal +/- pretty good for most freshman. Defense needs to be a LOT better goalie on out. CANNOT give up anymore short-handed goals that is ridiculous. These freshman will settle in, some of them have more shots on goal in 5 games then freshman players had all last year. That should eventually convert to offense. First line needs to step up with leadership and scoring. Lappin being out 4 games with this many freshman is devastating, talk about killing every coaching plan...
 
Well they did a better job controling the puck but another short handed goal against probably cost them a win and a lazy, unforced turnover with a minute left in OT gave them another loss.

Hope that Cooper is okay, took a nasty elbow that resulted in a lot of blood on the ice and stoppage of play. Did not return.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

Need tighter control on PP, NO more SH goals. And D just has to protect puck better. Far better outcome against #6. Hope Cooper is not seriously hurt, nasty hit...
 
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I traveled to Colgate for the game. 10 Brown fans at the game. But I would add the town residents who used to fill up the rink were not there and few students as well. Meehan-like but actually worse.

Using Brown's play against Clarkson two weeks ago as a comparison, Brown has greatly improved. Colgate is a quick team but Brown matched them in quickness and was clearly frustrating Colgate. Witness the hit on Cooper, the constant complaints to the ref and the ejection of a Colgate player for "unsportsmanlike Conduct."
Notwithstanding the shortie, and breakway winning goal, Steele played very well. Great stops and really good anticipation. First goal was a cleanshot in to upper corner of net which he had no chance and second was a PP which was the result of incredible passing and timing by Colgate. One of the best PP goals I have seen in a long time.
All of the lines played well. Lorito is something else. Get him the puck around the net and it is a goal. Lappin and Naclerio were beating the D on their rushes but some great play, and I mean great play, by Finn stopped them. Jacobson was showing the energy he had in his frosh season, and he was a Brownscheidle/Ryan type guy on the ice. A prior post specifically mentioned those two and I fully agree - not flashy but major components of those good teams. I enjoy the play of the three freshmen Fs - getting better every game.
Quick played well. He is someone that is becoming dependable. Joey D just seems to never make a mistake. I liked when after he was on the ice with McArdle and skatingg off the ice with him and then on the bench he was talking with him.
Overall a good performance. Colgate is certainly an excellent team and a performance by Brown on Colgate ice shows Brown is ready to start playing the way a lot of us expected pre-season. JUST STOP THE SHORTIES.
A prediction - Brown 2 Cornell 1.
 
Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

The most important thing with a young team is that it consistently improves. You need to always be getting better. Last night's game, while disappointing, was a big improvement in many aspects. Colgate is ranked 6th in the country, and Brown took them to overtime (and at one point, led by two in the midst of a DOMINANT second period).

I'm certainly not as optimistic as Mike Hutter- Lynah is a death trap. But I'm pleased that the team is at least making some progress, albeit not in massive quantity.
 
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Re: Brown Hockey 2014-2015 - Onward and Upward

I traveled to Colgate for the game. 10 Brown fans at the game. But I would add the town residents who used to fill up the rink were not there and few students as well. Meehan-like but actually worse.

So you guys know what we are talking about? Appleton can suck when the students are gone, but I have always believed that playing at Meehan, Starr and Baker rink are the biggest challenges in the league because those buildings have zero energy. On the flip side, we usually play well at Lynah where there is always energy or Bright where SLU fans usually outnumber Harvard fans and bring energy to the visitors.

Having seen Brown my feeling is that it is not a talent issue. Brown does miss Robertson who was an excellent player, but they brought in a lot of talent in the freshmen class. It is an effort thing in my opinion. SLU won almost every battle when we played Brown and Brown got outworked. Once they got outworked, the frustration built and then Lappin got tossed and then it was lack of effort coupled with broken lines. I would say that the 0-6 start has a lot to do with coaching. If they are not getting the effort and battle out of the guys, there is a lack of discipline, and even if guys that can score like Naclerio and Lappin are not scoring, the coaches have got to shake things up, send some messages and figure it out. They've already done the hardest part which is get talent to Brown. Now they have to get that talent to put it together. You guys are not a last place team but there is incredible parity in the league. This is going to be an interesting year. IMHO anyone of 5-6 teams can finish first and any one of 8 teams can finish last. Princeton has to find a way to score some goals or they are going to be last at the end. They are only scored more than one in a 2-1 win over Cornell and were shutout last night.
 
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How bad was the performance at Cornell? I was really taken back by the score after what I thought was a strong game at Colgate. Any good takeaways at least?

Kdiff - No more predictions by me, at least until playoffs,
 
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