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Brown Hockey 2013-2014 - Climbing to the Top of the ECAC Ladder

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My second post to USCHO.com and my first spectatorship of Brown hockey in half a century, thanks to the Ivy League Digital Network (ILDN).
My first post asked how many regular contributors there were to this forum and the response was 12 to 20. An unscientific count gives 7, by a generous reading of "regular" contributors, 3 of whom predominate, Euler, Hutter, and kdiff77.
I watched Harvard just now, a first view of the Meehan interior since the 1960s. Last week I watched Brown-Cornell at Lynah.
Immediate impressions: a mostly empty Meehan. One has heard the reports, of course, that nobody goes to sports at Brown (apart from varsity members), and now one has seen the proof on-screen. The ILDN commentators, in the space of 10 seconds, described both a "good" crowd and a "half empty" Meehan. This viewer saw a nine-tenths empty north-side, which 50 years ago was packed with season ticket holders.
Last week at Lynah, the Cornell announcers spent several minutes discussing the core issue Brown's recruiting problem. "When we bring our recruits to Lynah they see a packed house. Then they go down to Providence and sit in an empty house. Our coaches tell them, you can play hockey in front of nobody for four years at Brown or you can come to Cornell."
So that's one problem. Campus culture. A student body that doesn't go to sports. And that's largely down to the very distinctive "self-selecting" applicant pool Brown gets.
I used to interview them. Over 60 percent were female in my region, but that's not intrinsically a problem. (What IS a problem is the treatment Ray Kelly got.) We now have a stated admissions policy of going for under-represented constituencies. Admirable. But they mainly don't play ice hockey and they don't spectate it.
Other ILDN impressions. Announcer Mike Rubin is sharp, his color commentator less sharp (variations on "We need to win the face-off" delivered in that, um, regional accent, an accent I'd just about expunged from my memory). Also, it would be good if they fixed the screen graphic to work like it does for Brown basketball, with game clock and penalty-kill clock onscreen.
I've also looked at the USCHO.com archive of Brown history and learned that in the Fullerton heyday (1961-70), when we had Gaudreau and the Macks-Small-Devaney line, we only had a winning percentage of 57, a surprise to my (aging defective) memory.
So it may be that the way to watch Brown hockey from thousands of miles away on the internet is to take a zen attitude. It's the beautiful game whether or not we ever go to the post-season.
Thank-you for your patience.
 
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Good way to break the losing streak last night. Harvard isn't Yale or Quinnipiac, but still a solid win. Would be great to get the weekend sweep with a win over Dartmouth tonight
 
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Mark Divver tweeted that Steel will start again tonight. Interesting move.
 
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Watched entire Brown U.-American U. basketball game, followed by a few final minutes of the hockey on Ivy Digital. I see on the website that Lappin has NHL genes.
My main take-away from the hockey, once again, is that nobody was in the house to spectate the win. Saturday night against an Ivy opponent and the north-side seats were empty. Astonishing. As I said previously, one heard the rumors and now one has televised proof.
I also see that the grandstands behind the goals have been removed, unneeded now, or perhaps by fire-marshall's order. In the 1960s there were grandstands at ice level behind the west-end goal and on the mezzanine above the east-end goal.
Meanwhile, men's basketball has very good talent, including skilled freshmen who are starters. So hoops is where the attention will focus this winter. They're 6-2, with a losses to PC and Bryant. When I was at Brown, Bryant was an accountancy school on Brook Street. Everything changes.
If you haven't subscribed to Ivy Digital it's great: high-definition for hockey, and a slow-motion replay button that shows the Dartmouth goalie flinching and ducking away from the OT goal.
 
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So...I guess we have our goalie? Steel is 4-1-1 ad DeFilippo is 1-5. You go with the hot hand.
 
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So...I guess we have our goalie? Steel is 4-1-1 ad DeFilippo is 1-5. You go with the hot hand.

Steel looked good last night after some unsteadiness in the first period.

Dartmouth seemed to run out of steam partway through the 3rd period. It was exciting to see our guys take advantage of that and rack up three goals (one in OT).

A good weekend for the Bears!

Darth
 
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Couple of comments- Kdiff is right about our goalie. It's Steel. from the internet broadcast at Harvard he appeared solid. Granted Harvard is clearly not the Harvard of old and Brown's d was superb in front of him, Steel made the saves he had to make. Last night watching him in person he appears to have fully adjusted to the speed of the DI game. One soft goal, one which he just lost track of, shouldn't detract from the solid game he played. Again Brown's D played well in front of him, but like Borelli last year when he needed to make the save he did.

The Lorito Naclerio Lappin line has to stay together. They are terrific. With Brendan playing them every other shift in the third you could sense some goalls coming. Lorito continues to amaze me. he is incredible with his stickhandling.

A second scoring line is needed. Can Kramer produce as he did this past weekend/ Hathaway had his chances and I think he is getting close to where he was at the end of last year. Ryan Jacobsen had a few good shifts but seemed tentative more often than not.

Lamacchia played well. He passed well out of the dzone and broke up a lot of Dartmouth passes. But he was not the only one - Brown really frustrated Dartmouth all night and they were unable to get any flow in their game.

lastly, the win was a good one for the team. There were a lot of things going on that could have caused a letdown - 5 minute major 3 minutes into the game with a game disqual, then a 5-3, and grant making a lot of saves and brown just missing on a couple of good chances in the second. Down 2-0 with 13 to go and winning 3-2 in OT is a good win, especially against Dartmouth.

Crowd turnout was poor. At the start of the game there were perhaps 100 in the stands. The fraternity guys showed up as they have the last two years at the Dartmouth games but apparently they were banned from sitting behind the Dartmouth bench. They were all over the Dartmouth goalie in OT from the start.

BTW, a question when was the last time we took 4 points from Harvard and Dartmouth at home?
 
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No reason why Steel shouldn't ply 3 of every 4 games for the foreseeable future, Hes clearly the better goalie
 
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You guys had a great weekend....congrats.
 
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BTW, a question when was the last time we took 4 points from Harvard and Dartmouth at home?

I took a few minutes to check this out. In February of 2008, Brown beat Harvard 4-2 and Dartmouth 4-3 at Meehan. Since then, we've been subpar against Harvard (3-5-3) and downright abysmal against Dartmouth (1-11-1)(!!!!!!!!!).

It's always good to beat these two teams because of the Bobby Gaudet connection at Dartmouth and the fact that Harvard is always one of our grudge matches due the the chippy nature of both programs.
 
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Some reassurance (and I posted something similar last week):

Three of the opponents we've lost to are in the top ten (PC, QU, Clarkson). Another is in the top 15 (Cornell). The other two have both received votes (UNH, Colgate).

At least we're not losing games to cupcakes. Maybe this past weekend will give us some confidence going to Colorado.
 
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Ivy league Standings - Brown in first, tied with Cornell. Nice way to start the year.
 
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I think this team will be better in February than it is now. They also seem to elevate play vs the better teams
 
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Immediate impressions: a mostly empty Meehan. One has heard the reports, of course, that nobody goes to sports at Brown (apart from varsity members), and now one has seen the proof on-screen. The ILDN commentators, in the space of 10 seconds, described both a "good" crowd and a "half empty" Meehan. This viewer saw a nine-tenths empty north-side, which 50 years ago was packed with season ticket holders.

Attendance at the Brown-Harvard game at Meehan was about 1,500.

Things were indeed very different fifty years ago... So much that we now take for granted hadn't come into being. The interstate highway system was being built. The Civil Rights Act hadn't been enacted. There was no Internet. Brown was predominantly white, Protestant and male, and ranked lowest in the Ivy League in terms of selectivity and admissions standards. And Brown hockey games were evidently big social occasions. Those days are gone. Spotty attendance is not only a problem at Brown. With few exceptions, one can now walk up to a ticket window right before any ECAC game and buy a ticket.

I don't believe it's fair to chide Brown students for not being interested in attending sporting events. As the father of one of Brown's hockey seniors reminded another senior father who was complaining about students' not attending hockey games last Friday, what's the last time a Brown hockey player attended a theatrical performance or an orchestra concert? Brown is made up of many communities. The idea that everyone must attend athletic events -- or theatrical performances or orchestra concerts, for that matter -- doesn't make much sense to me...


Last week at Lynah, the Cornell announcers spent several minutes discussing the core issue Brown's recruiting problem. "When we bring our recruits to Lynah they see a packed house. Then they go down to Providence and sit in an empty house. Our coaches tell them, you can play hockey in front of nobody for four years at Brown or you can come to Cornell.

Rest assured that our recruiting doesn't overlap much with Cornell's. Remember that Cornell is both an Ivy League university and a state school. Frankly, if the only negative thing Cornell coaches can come up with about Brown is that attendance is larger at Cornell, Brown is in great shape... Our recruiting tends to be positive, rather than negative, and we don't feel we need to criticize another school in order to attract a student athlete to Brown. Our recruiting emphasizes what BROWN has to offer: the outstanding combination of division I athletics with a peerless undergraduate education; the close relationship between the faculty and the student body; the diversity and friendliness of our student body; and above all, what our student athletes have been able to do after they've walked out of the Van Wickle Gates, from playing in the NHL to attending the best professional schools and having fulfilling careers in business, education, law, medicine, etc.[/QUOTE]


Announcer Mike Rubin is sharp, his color commentator less sharp (variations on "We need to win the face-off" delivered in that, um, regional accent, an accent I'd just about expunged from my memory).

Mike Rubin is the best!


I've also looked at the USCHO.com archive of Brown history and learned that in the Fullerton heyday (1961-70), when we had Gaudreau and the Macks-Small-Devaney line, we only had a winning percentage of 57, a surprise to my (aging defective) memory.

Since 2009 Brown has made it to the ECAC Final Four twice, finishing third in 2010 and second in 2013. The Bears were a couple of goals away from playing in the national tournament for the first time since 1993.

I've been following college hockey closely since 1969, and there's no question in my mind that the game is better now than it was in the 1970s at every level. (I also watch quite a bit of Division III -- NESCAC -- hockey.) The players are faster and stronger, and it's a lot harder to score goals because defenses are better and goaltending is far superior.

The Brown program is on the right track.
 
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http://www.brownbears.com/general/ncaa_sites

Nice! I went to both days last year and had a great time. I hope the Dunk becomes part of the regular rotation for eastern sites. It's a great arena in a nice part of town and is relatively close to most eastern schools. Also easily accessible to travelers due to the proximity of major transportation hubs (TF Green, Logan, even JFK or La Guardia if you really want).
 
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Attendance at the Brown-Harvard game at Meehan was about 1,500.

Things were indeed very different fifty years ago... So much that we now take for granted hadn't come into being. The interstate highway system was being built. The Civil Rights Act hadn't been enacted. There was no Internet. Brown was predominantly white, Protestant and male, and ranked lowest in the Ivy League in terms of selectivity and admissions standards. And Brown hockey games were evidently big social occasions. Those days are gone. Spotty attendance is not only a problem at Brown. With few exceptions, one can now walk up to a ticket window right before any ECAC game and buy a ticket.

I don't believe it's fair to chide Brown students for not being interested in attending sporting events. As the father of one of Brown's hockey seniors reminded another senior father who was complaining about students' not attending hockey games last Friday, what's the last time a Brown hockey player attended a theatrical performance or an orchestra concert? Brown is made up of many communities. The idea that everyone must attend athletic events -- or theatrical performances or orchestra concerts, for that matter -- doesn't make much sense to me...
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This is a great point. Brown has 6,000 undergraduate students going to the institution. It has four fine arts organizations, something like 10 publications, five diversity groups, and something like 20 miscellaneous organizations. That's not including fraternities, sororities, or anything else before you even get into the fact that there are 30-plus athletics teams and actual studying commensurate with an Ivy League institution. While Brown students don't sell out or pack Meehan, there is a fine niche of students that go to games. One could argue that Brown would be better suited with a smaller rink these days, mostly because a lower roof would make it A LOT louder with less students. At the same time, though, Meehan is one of the best venues in ECAC. I think it's just a case where Brown is such a renaissance school in a great city, within driving distance of an arguably better city (Boston, NYC) and casinos in Connecticut (or Lincoln Park). You go to Cornell, and you have ------ hockey. And a gorge. Definitely the gorge.

And if you go to Harvard, student attendance isn't fantastic. It's just a smaller rink so it looks bigger. And Harvard is comparable in terms of city setting to Brown.

If there's one thing Brown can do much better in terms of visibility, it would fall on the athletic department to finally get in the door with the television stations. I'm sure that with regime changes over the last 10 years, things have changed in the administration, but athletic director Jack Hayes is a Hofstra guy. Believe me - you'll see what happens to attendance if Brown sustains its success and then starts getting TV visibility.
 
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Last week at Meehan, Euler mentioned to me that tickets for the BC game should be purchased now rather than later. I went on line to buy tickets and sure enough a lot of tickets have already been sold. If BC gas a strong alumni base in providence area, I wouldn't be surprised to see a sellout. Also, all tickets, reserved and unreserved are $15.00
 
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Meeting Street for sure. If you want to venture a little further down Hope Street, the Hope Street Cafe has good food and a bar. Spats is also an option. Depending on what time I get out of work, and what the traffic looks like, I may be eating post-game.

BrunoFan00 - Meeting Street was great. It had been several years since I ate there. More recently I have been eating at Hope Street Pizza at Euler's suggestion. While the food is good there, I was looking for a place close to Meehan to eat so I could get a parking spot close to around Meehan. Parking is not the best at Meehan.
 
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Last week at Meehan, Euler mentioned to me that tickets for the BC game should be purchased now rather than later. I went on line to buy tickets and sure enough a lot of tickets have already been sold. If BC gas a strong alumni base in providence area, I wouldn't be surprised to see a sellout. Also, all tickets, reserved and unreserved are $15.00

I hope it won't be mostly BC fans (though I can't imagine there won't be a ton of them). Maybe some PC fans will come root for us. :)
 
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BrunoFan00 - Meeting Street was great. It had been several years since I ate there. More recently I have been eating at Hope Street Pizza at Euler's suggestion. While the food is good there, I was looking for a place close to Meehan to eat so I could get a parking spot close to around Meehan. Parking is not the best at Meehan.

It used to be good, but then the new walkways/greenery totally fangled it all up. There is some parking in the back by Stevenson Field, but I don't know if that'll be checked for media. It is during lacrosse at least.

Best bet is to park up the street past MOses Brown and walk up. It's not bad even if it's cold. I've also shot for parking somewhere near the green and walked through Brown's campus, which is worth the hoof for its scenery. Unless it's freezing out.
 
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