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Brown Hockey 2010-2011 - Onward and Upward

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Euler18 said:
With Tim Army having resigned from Providence College, one would have to assume that Brown excellent first assistant and PC graduate, Jerry Keefe, would be a strong candidate.
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Let's hope they look elsewhere. Jerry's been great for this team, and continuity is always desirable among the coaching staff (which Grillo never seemed to obtain), especially with such a young team.
 
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kdiff77 said:
Let's hope they look elsewhere. Jerry's been great for this team, and continuity is always desirable among the coaching staff (which Grillo never seemed to obtain), especially with such a young team.
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Jerry has done an excellent job and I would love for him to continue working for Brown, but he deserves a shot at a Division I coaching job. I have a high regard for him.

Maybe I should act in a more selfish manner and not start making public comments about Jerry's ability and professionalism. :)

Union's Rick Bennett (also a PC graduate) will probably be another strong candidate, but perhaps this conversation belongs in the PC thread...
 
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kdiff77 said:
http://www.uscho.com/2011/03/16/ecac-names-all-league-all-rookie-squads/

Maclellan makes 2nd team All-ECAC, but Zolnierczyk gets royally robbed. The Ivy League Player of the Year can't even make Honorable Mention? Something's fishy.

Robertson made the All-Rookie team.
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Ivy League awards (and ECAC awards) are based solely on play in league games. So Harry Z. may have been the best player in the Ivy subset of games, but I don't see this as a major slight to him in the overall scheme of things. Per the ECAC website - he is tied for 7th in goals (with 10), and part of a 7 way tie for 17th in overall points in the ECAC (with 17). I guess I could see putting him on the third team ahead of Jeremy Welsh, but otherwise it's hard to say he deserved it over somebody else on the list. My guess is his penalty minutes and reputation for...less than cerebral play at times played against him.
 
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Less than 50 hours to get your picks into the ECAC Pick The Playoffs Final Round.
 
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DisplacedCornellian said:
Ivy League awards (and ECAC awards) are based solely on play in league games. So Harry Z. may have been the best player in the Ivy subset of games, but I don't see this as a major slight to him in the overall scheme of things. Per the ECAC website - he is tied for 7th in goals (with 10), and part of a 7 way tie for 17th in overall points in the ECAC (with 17). I guess I could see putting him on the third team ahead of Jeremy Welsh, but otherwise it's hard to say he deserved it over somebody else on the list. My guess is his penalty minutes and reputation for...less than cerebral play at times played against him.
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Fair enough, but I defy you to find a player who was more integral to his team's success than Harry. He was the heart and soul of Brown hockey this season. Intangibles should count for something too, if you ask me (but then again, no one did :p).
 
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kdiff77 said:
Intangibles should count for something too, if you ask me.
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Perhaps it was his 128 PIM (87 ECAC)? He missed one league game and 2 games total just sitting in the box. That's double anyone else in the league.
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Perhaps it was his 128 PIM (87 ECAC)? He missed one league game and 2 games total just sitting in the box. That's double anyone else in the league.
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Look, we all recognize that Harry isn't the cleanest player in the league. But without him, I can think of two games right off the top of my head that we would not have won this year (and there are probably several more): Yale and Cornell. He was the sole reason we won both of those games, and I could probably say that about at least two or three others. At the end of the day, Maclellan is probably a better player than Harry, but Harry was by and away more integral to his team than anyone else in the league. He took over games singlehandedly and got under every opponents skin. That has to count for something.
 
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Less than 24 hours to get your picks in to the ECAC Pick The Playoffs. Need to be in by 4:30 on Friday. Lots of people MIA.

95virago
allnightwong
apple2k
BigRedBrouhaha
bothman
Brett Gobe
Brian Sullivan
cnor79
cudmud
Dutchfan
hockeyplayer1015
jmhusker
johnk
justlookin'
Maine-iac
number 16
NYHockeyguy
Onion Man
Puckie14
redrocker
REDRocket
Rhamilton
Rhett
Rjm7272
rockandrock44
RPIHFH
rpihockeyfan13
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StayPuftMMcu
TchrBill
Union93
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Re: Brown Hockey 2010-2011 - Onward and Upward

Less than 12 hours to get your picks into the ECAC Pick The Playoffs before the puck drops in game 1. Stragglers are:

95virago
BigRedBrouhaha
bothman
Brett Gobe
Brian Sullivan
cnor79
Dutchfan
hockeyplayer1015
jmhusker
johnk
Maine-iac
number 16
NYHockeyguy
Onion Man
Puckie14
redrocker
REDRocket
Rhamilton
rockandrock44
RPIHFH
rvd5star69
StayPuftMMcu
TchrBill
Union93
uniondutch21
UnionPuckLove
UnionTDX04
bcarlisle
unhpuckfan2001
 
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Thoughts on the ECAC Championship Weekend (from the perspective of a Brown watcher):

1. Brown's regular season record against the ECAC Final Four teams was 5-3. Not too shabby...

2. Most of the Cornell-Dartmouth game was a big bore. Cornell plays the most uninteresting style of any team in the league. They're slow and show little creativity. But, obviously, the system works as Cornell seems always to be standing at the end. I was also unimpressed by this Dartmouth team from the moment I first saw them in the Yale tournament last October. Watching them play last night didn't change my opinion. I kept flipping channels between the Cornell-Dartmouth game and the much more interesting Merrimack-UNH Hockey East semifinal though I could only stand thirty seconds of [Hockey East Commissioner] Joe Bertagna's blabber between the second and third periods.

3. The most predictable part of the ECAC telecast was [ECAC Referee Supervisor] Paul Stewart's defense of the officials' glaring mistakes. Only the ECAC office, in its supreme wisdom, could hire Stewart for this position.

4. Why on earth is the ECAC playing its final tournament in Atlantic City? Does the ECAC want to encourage gambling? Is Donald Trump planning to endow the league? The rink seemed to be mostly empty despite the proverbial dedication of the "We can't wait to get out of Ithaca" Cornell fans. Only the ECAC office, in its supreme wisdom, etc.

5. It's too bad Union didn't make the Final Four, as the Skating Dutchmen were the most exciting team in the league, followed by the very solid Yale squad. After that, it was a bunch of pretenders.

6. Colgate played the Brown role this year, getting hot at the end. Kudos to them, but the talent simply wasn't there to move beyond the semifinal.

7. Good luck to Yale and Union in the NCAA tournament. Cornell will also be there if the Big Red wins the ECAC Final Four, which, obviously, is not out of the question in a single eimination tournament. After all, it's not all about flair and style. If that were the case, Brazil always win the World Cup. But Italy (the Cornell of the soccer world) has won four times.
 
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Further Thoughts on the ECAC Tournament from the Perspective of a Brown Watcher:

1. Yale exposed Cornell's flaws: lack of speed, lack of creativity, an unimaginative containment system, etc. A 10-0 score would have been more indicative of Yale's domination than the actual 6-0 score.

2. In general, the telecast on CBS-C was fine but [ECAC Supervisor of Officials] Paul Stewart was even more annoying in the booth than he's been in the Davis Lounge. Does he EVER stop talking?

3. The attendance was dismal (around 3,000 according to Brian Sullivan). If you check the box scores in collegehockeystats.net, you'll see that attendance was listed as 0 for both nights. Was the ECAC too embarrassed to publicize the real numbers?

4. Yale and Union will represent the ECAC well in the national tournament. I wasn't impressed by RPI at all this year, but I wish the Engineers the best and hope they also do well.

5. I hope the ECAC continues to evolve towards speed and creativity, in other words, more like Yale and Union, and less like Cornell and Dartmouth. Brendan Whittet certainly wants Brown to play an up-tempo game, based on mobile defensemen and speedy forwards. The pieces of the puzzle aren't all there yet, but the Bears are certainly moving in that direction.
 
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I would love to see Union come out of that bracket. Sorry, I ain't rooting for Yale*
 
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Euler18 said:
Thoughts on the ECAC Championship Weekend (from the perspective of a Brown watcher):

4. Why on earth is the ECAC playing its final tournament in Atlantic City? Does the ECAC want to encourage gambling? Is Donald Trump planning to endow the league? The rink seemed to be mostly empty despite the proverbial dedication of the "We can't wait to get out of Ithaca" Cornell fans. Only the ECAC office, in its supreme wisdom, etc.
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Amen to that! Anyone in the ECAC office have some gray matter? Hello -- Providence??? All the trappings of a great destination town (hotels, restaurants, novel things to do), easily accessed by all ECAC venues, and the Dunk is big enough for a crowd but small enough not to look like the inside of a schoolhouse during a fire drill if it's not a sell-out. And face it -- RI is a hockey state: ask anyone about high school hockey. (BTW: Congrats to Steve Shea '73, coach of the Mounties' girls' team! But I digress...) Can we pleeeeez bring the ECAC championships to Providence??
 
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MamaBear said:
Amen to that! Anyone in the ECAC office have some gray matter? Hello -- Providence??? All the trappings of a great destination town (hotels, restaurants, novel things to do), easily accessed by all ECAC venues, and the Dunk is big enough for a crowd but small enough not to look like the inside of a schoolhouse during a fire drill if it's not a sell-out. And face it -- RI is a hockey state: ask anyone about high school hockey. Can we pleeeeez bring the ECAC championships to Providence??
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I agree that Providence would be the perfect venue for the ECAC Championship: a wonderful small city with a fine facility, easily accessible from most of the member schools. But the Dunk would have to bid on it, and they don't seem to be interested.
 
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MamaBear said:
Amen to that! Anyone in the ECAC office have some gray matter? Hello -- Providence??? All the trappings of a great destination town (hotels, restaurants, novel things to do), easily accessed by all ECAC venues, and the Dunk is big enough for a crowd but small enough not to look like the inside of a schoolhouse during a fire drill if it's not a sell-out. And face it -- RI is a hockey state: ask anyone about high school hockey. (BTW: Congrats to Steve Shea '73, coach of the Mounties' girls' team! But I digress...) Can we pleeeeez bring the ECAC championships to Providence??
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Rhode Island may be a high school hockey state, but that's it. Brown and PC's combined attendance over the last decade barely surpasses 3,000 each year, and no one cares about the P-Bruins. Go ask the same people you ask about high school hockey what their opinions are about Brown, PC, or the P-Bruins, and they'll give you a blank stare.

Rhode Island is a basketball/baseball state. Period. There's room for hockey when Mount St. Charles is playing La Salle or Hendricken, but that's about it. The 2000 Frozen Four was held at the Dunk. I don't remember any significant excitement about the event, because no one really cared. On the other hand, when the first round - FIRST ROUND - of the basketball NCAAs was held at the Dunk last year, the state's sports scene was in a frenzy.

Hockey will always be a distant 4th in Rhodey. Providence would be a great host for the ECACs, but not because of any type of local affinity with college hockey. It'd be a great host because of its proximity to every school in the league and its abundance of activities to keep fans entertained before and after the games; not because of the local fans.

If the public cared at all or were even remotely interested in the sport, Brown would have averaged more than 1,500 fans, PC would have averaged more than 1,800, and the P-Bruins would draw more than 25 people who actually go to watch the game and not the fights. As it is, both Brown and PC indisputably inflate their attendance figures (I know I'll take some backlash for that, but it's true and everyone here knows it whether they like it or not), and they are still at the bottom of their conferences in fan support. Bottom line: no one cares about college hockey; no one cares about AHL hockey; and if Bill Belisle and Mount hadn't won 30 of the last 34 high school state championships, most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at Rhode Island high school hockey. To call this state a "hockey state" is just not fair, and I apologize if I sound overly harsh in this post, because it is not a personal attack; but I cannot emphasize enough just how little most Rhode Islanders care about hockey.
 
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kdiff77 said:
To call this state a "hockey state" is just not fair, and I apologize if I sound overly harsh in this post, because it is not a personal attack; but I cannot emphasize enough just how little most Rhode Islanders care about hockey.
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Apologize for nothing, Kdiff -- guess it's just my bias coming through, but your points are well-taken and I stand corrected. And after suffering through the PC basketball obsession for decades, I should have seen that myself. Thanks for keeping it real.:D
 
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kdiff77 said:
Rhode Island may be a high school hockey state, but that's it. Brown and PC's combined attendance over the last decade barely surpasses 3,000 each year, and no one cares about the P-Bruins. Go ask the same people you ask about high school hockey what their opinions are about Brown, PC, or the P-Bruins, and they'll give you a blank stare.

Rhode Island is a basketball/baseball state. Period. There's room for hockey when Mount St. Charles is playing La Salle or Hendricken, but that's about it. The 2000 Frozen Four was held at the Dunk. I don't remember any significant excitement about the event, because no one really cared. On the other hand, when the first round - FIRST ROUND - of the basketball NCAAs was held at the Dunk last year, the state's sports scene was in a frenzy.

Hockey will always be a distant 4th in Rhodey. Providence would be a great host for the ECACs, but not because of any type of local affinity with college hockey. It'd be a great host because of its proximity to every school in the league and its abundance of activities to keep fans entertained before and after the games; not because of the local fans.

If the public cared at all or were even remotely interested in the sport, Brown would have averaged more than 1,500 fans, PC would have averaged more than 1,800, and the P-Bruins would draw more than 25 people who actually go to watch the game and not the fights. As it is, both Brown and PC indisputably inflate their attendance figures (I know I'll take some backlash for that, but it's true and everyone here knows it whether they like it or not), and they are still at the bottom of their conferences in fan support. Bottom line: no one cares about college hockey; no one cares about AHL hockey; and if Bill Belisle and Mount hadn't won 30 of the last 34 high school state championships, most people wouldn't bat an eyelid at Rhode Island high school hockey. To call this state a "hockey state" is just not fair, and I apologize if I sound overly harsh in this post, because it is not a personal attack; but I cannot emphasize enough just how little most Rhode Islanders care about hockey.
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I would have to agree with KDiff, an agreement based on the almost complete absence of coverage of college hockey in the providence Journal. True, an article every now and then about Brown or PC. But apparently no consistent coverage. I was absolutely taken back when after staying over after a Brown game I picked up the Sunday Journal to get the scores from other ECAC schools and Hockey East. NOTHING! Yes, there was a story about the Brown game but it appeared to be nothing but a condensed version of Jean Carhart's write-up. Here in Albany there is very good coverage of the area's two D1 schools, Union and RPI. While some may say that is the result of a down year for Siena BB, I am not so sure about that. It would simply appear that the media in two different markets is responding to the interest or lack thereof in college hockey.

As a comparison, what was the level of coverage during Gaudet's very strong teams in the early 90's and Grillo's Ivy League championship with Danis?
 
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