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BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, citing

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

No but it would be best for UAH. Unless someone can tell me how this program realistically survives long-term.

If the hockey alumni leadership can raise well over a million dollars (I have assurances that it's there) in under a week, I think they can raise the 1.5-2 mill it'll require year over year to make this program viable. I think that you wait for the school to approve things, get any on-ice changes that might be made, and start the fundraising for 2021-22 come September or so when we know when games might be played.

Also, there's that pesky conference situation to fret over. I've said it before today: from a PR perspective, it would be tough for the nCCHA to say "no, you're not committed" to a program that raised $500k in less than four days purely through word of mouth ... DURING A PANDEMIC WHERE UNEMPLOYMENT IS >15%.

There are tons of headwinds. You tack the sailboat once at a time. I think that everyone here knows that this is a big first step but merely that.

I bring up unemployment for this reason: in 2011-12, they did a three-year pledge campaign that netted $500k (again, less than what these hockey alumni did in just four days; the GFM is at $510k+ right now). I pledged $5000. I gave $1000 in the first year. I was largely an unemployed graduate student during that time. (Boy did that suck.) There's a reason that I didn't give the other $4k. Apparently I was among the 80% or so that didn't live up to their pledge.

Taking the money right now makes it work. The money is there, right now, and can be given to the school. Taso and Sheldon can take Dawson to the bank and ask the teller to show the man the receipts. That's more than 5x what EJ Brophy "achieved" in three years ... in a week.

Is it easier to get a big bump right now because everyone desperately wants to save the program? Yes, absolutely. But BG has pulled this off before, and I am willing to bet that our people will talk to their people.

I only see your line of argument if the nCCHA tells us no. At that point, I agree. There is no reasonable prospect on the horizon for another league opening for UAH.

GFM
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

It's going to be pretty hard to recruit good players and staff when the program is going to be "cancelled" every 5-10 years.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">IT HAPPENED! The $500K goal has been passed. The hockey community has come together for something amazing. <br><br>Now let's get to work to make <a href="https://twitter.com/uahhockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@uahhockey</a> sustainable for the future. A lot of hard work will need to be done and I know we're all ready to do it. <br><br>This is so awesome.</p>— Justin Bradford (@justinbbradford) <a href="https://twitter.com/justinbbradford/status/1266436960111022081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alabama-Huntsville will officially play in 2020-21, according to the university, after raising over $750k ... complete story to follow.</p>— College Hockey News (@chnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1266467181883207683?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
If the hockey alumni leadership can raise well over a million dollars (I have assurances that it's there) in under a week, I think they can raise the 1.5-2 mill it'll require year over year to make this program viable. I think that you wait for the school to approve things, get any on-ice changes that might be made, and start the fundraising for 2021-22 come September or so when we know when games might be played.

Also, there's that pesky conference situation to fret over. I've said it before today: from a PR perspective, it would be tough for the nCCHA to say "no, you're not committed" to a program that raised $500k in less than four days purely through word of mouth ... DURING A PANDEMIC WHERE UNEMPLOYMENT IS >15%.

There are tons of headwinds. You tack the sailboat once at a time. I think that everyone here knows that this is a big first step but merely that.

I bring up unemployment for this reason: in 2011-12, they did a three-year pledge campaign that netted $500k (again, less than what these hockey alumni did in just four days; the GFM is at $510k+ right now). I pledged $5000. I gave $1000 in the first year. I was largely an unemployed graduate student during that time. (Boy did that suck.) There's a reason that I didn't give the other $4k. Apparently I was among the 80% or so that didn't live up to their pledge.

Taking the money right now makes it work. The money is there, right now, and can be given to the school. Taso and Sheldon can take Dawson to the bank and ask the teller to show the man the receipts. That's more than 5x what EJ Brophy "achieved" in three years ... in a week.

Is it easier to get a big bump right now because everyone desperately wants to save the program? Yes, absolutely. But BG has pulled this off before, and I am willing to bet that our people will talk to their people.

I only see your line of argument if the nCCHA tells us no. At that point, I agree. There is no reasonable prospect on the horizon for another league opening for UAH.

GFM

I can tell based on the change in your writing style that you’re jacked up. Good to see. :-)
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

So now the kids that have arranged to transfer have to sit the year?
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

So now the kids that have arranged to transfer have to sit the year?

This was covered earlier in the thread. As I read the rules, the players are free to play at their new schools in the upcoming season. The public announcement of the discontinuation triggers the free transfer and there is no corresponding provision that the school can claw the player back if the program is reinstated. (See "14.5.5.2.6 Discontinued/Nonsponsored Sport Exception": https://www.ncaapublications.com/pro...0.pdf#page=200).
 
This was covered earlier in the thread. As I read the rules, the players are free to play at their new schools in the upcoming season. The public announcement of the discontinuation triggers the free transfer and there is no corresponding provision that the school can claw the player back if the program is reinstated. (See "14.5.5.2.6 Discontinued/Nonsponsored Sport Exception": https://www.ncaapublications.com/pro...0.pdf#page=200).
Ahhh, thanks.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

This was covered earlier in the thread. As I read the rules, the players are free to play at their new schools in the upcoming season. The public announcement of the discontinuation triggers the free transfer and there is no corresponding provision that the school can claw the player back if the program is reinstated. (See "14.5.5.2.6 Discontinued/Nonsponsored Sport Exception": https://www.ncaapublications.com/pro...0.pdf#page=200).

Does that include Josh Latta, who transferred to Mass Lowell in April before UAH (temporarily) discontinued the program? Will he be eligible for 2020-21 or have to sit a year?
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Does that include Josh Latta, who transferred to Mass Lowell in April before UAH (temporarily) discontinued the program? Will he be eligible for 2020-21 or have to sit a year?

Good question. I don't know. I would argue that it would because the announced cancellation would moot the reason for the year of ineligibility. But I could see the NCAA ruling him ineligible for this year, too.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

It's going to be pretty hard to recruit good players and staff when the program is going to be "cancelled" every 5-10 years.

I 100% agree.

I can tell based on the change in your writing style that you’re jacked up. Good to see. :-)

Yep, I'm fired up about this program for the first time in years. More to come.

Does that include Josh Latta, who transferred to Mass Lowell in April before UAH (temporarily) discontinued the program? Will he be eligible for 2020-21 or have to sit a year?

That's an interesting question that UAHstatman might can answer since he's in with the AD.

GFM
 
If the hockey alumni leadership can raise well over a million dollars (I have assurances that it's there) in under a week, I think they can raise the 1.5-2 mill it'll require year over year to make this program viable. I think that you wait for the school to approve things, get any on-ice changes that might be made, and start the fundraising for 2021-22 come September or so when we know when games might be played.

Also, there's that pesky conference situation to fret over. I've said it before today: from a PR perspective, it would be tough for the nCCHA to say "no, you're not committed" to a program that raised $500k in less than four days purely through word of mouth ... DURING A PANDEMIC WHERE UNEMPLOYMENT IS >15%.

There are tons of headwinds. You tack the sailboat once at a time. I think that everyone here knows that this is a big first step but merely that.

I bring up unemployment for this reason: in 2011-12, they did a three-year pledge campaign that netted $500k (again, less than what these hockey alumni did in just four days; the GFM is at $510k+ right now). I pledged $5000. I gave $1000 in the first year. I was largely an unemployed graduate student during that time. (Boy did that suck.) There's a reason that I didn't give the other $4k. Apparently I was among the 80% or so that didn't live up to their pledge.

Taking the money right now makes it work. The money is there, right now, and can be given to the school. Taso and Sheldon can take Dawson to the bank and ask the teller to show the man the receipts. That's more than 5x what EJ Brophy "achieved" in three years ... in a week.

Is it easier to get a big bump right now because everyone desperately wants to save the program? Yes, absolutely. But BG has pulled this off before, and I am willing to bet that our people will talk to their people.

I only see your line of argument if the nCCHA tells us no. At that point, I agree. There is no reasonable prospect on the horizon for another league opening for UAH.

GFM

Excellent points. I didn't realize Brophy was that poor at fundraising.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Is there anyone in the advancement/development staff who is dedicated to fundraising for the Athletics Department? It would be great if that person was listed among the Athletics Staff on the Athletics Website, so that people and organizations interested in supporting Athletics Teams would have a quick point of contact.

In other news: It has been six years since I last posted on this website. For whatever that's worth.
 
Beyond money and institutional commitment, UAH needs conference opponents located within reasonable travel distances. Not a likely prospect in SEC country, even in the best of times. Compounding the travel issue is the fact that Huntsville (HSV) is a relatively expensive airport to fly into or out of.

Many teams fly into Nashville, 2 hours away. Not much different that the 1 1/2 hr from Minneapolis to Mankato, or the 1:15 from Detroit to Bowling Green.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Hey buddy :D [Mike and I used to broadcast games together in the early 2000s.]

Is there anyone in the advancement/development staff who is dedicated to fundraising for the Athletics Department? It would be great if that person was listed among the Athletics Staff on the Athletics Website, so that people and organizations interested in supporting Athletics Teams would have a quick point of contact.

I don't think so.

GFM
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

I presume this would require a waiver to the NCAA which would likely be granted? (Of course the NCAA rarely does things how they’re supposed to be done)

No, if the program shuts down... which they did, its immediate.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Hey buddy :D [Mike and I used to broadcast games together in the early 2000s.]



I don't think so.

GFM

again, would suggest reaching out to UML.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Hey buddy :D [Mike and I used to broadcast games together in the early 2000s.]



I don't think so.

GFM

Hey hey hey.

I found out that there is a person, but they fundraise for six or seven different parts of the University.

In my personal and professional opinion, using some of this newly raised money to hire such a person in the Athletics department would be prudent spending, and could ultimately lead to the long term stability of the program.

The first step to not having to do this again in 10 years is taking development seriously.
 
Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

Re: BREAKING: Alabama Huntsville dropping men’s ice hockey effective immediately, cit

...I found out that there is a person, but they fundraise for six or seven different parts of the University.

In my personal and professional opinion, using some of this newly raised money to hire such a person in the Athletics department would be prudent spending, and could ultimately lead to the long term stability of the program.

The first step to not having to do this again in 10 years is taking development seriously.

This is really telling. Even small colleges generally have a Director of Athletics Development (or something similar) to plan for, solicit, and coordinate everything from random cash gifts to planned giving, bequests, etc. If UAH doesn't use some of this sudden windfall to seed a dedicated "Charger Athletics Fund" with its own full-time manager, it will not achieve long-term financial stability and history will surely repeat itself...yet again.
 
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