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Bracketology

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St. Paul
1. St. Cloud State
2. Bemidji State
3. Minnesota-Duluth
4. Ferris State

Ft. Wayne
1. Denver
2. New Hampshire
3. Michigan State
4. RIT

Albany
1. Wisconsin
2. Yale
3. Alaska
4. Cornell

Worcester
1. Miami
2. North Dakota
3. Boston College
4. Union
 
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dggoddard said:
St. Paul
1. St. Cloud State
2. Bemidji State
3. Minnesota-Duluth
4. Ferris State

Ft. Wayne
1. Denver
2. New Hampshire
3. Michigan State
4. RIT

Albany
1. Wisconsin
2. Yale
3. Alaska
4. Cornell

Worcester
1. Miami
2. North Dakota
3. Boston College
4. Union
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So reward SCSU for being lower in the PWR? Hopefully Bemidji State passes them up this weekend.
 
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I'm curious. Now that Bemidji State will be playing a pair this upcoming weekend vs a team in the TUC, Nebraska-Omaha, will wins/losses mean more than games of the past couple weekends, a Niagara sweep this past weekend and a split with Robert Morris the weekend before? Would be nice to see my Beavers get a #1 seed, but overtaking Miami/UW/DU/SCSU, over the next few weeks would seem a little tough, with just four games left, 2 @UNO, 2 @UAH, and then the CHA Tournament
 
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Nels1jac said:
I'm curious. Now that Bemidji State will be playing a pair this upcoming weekend vs a team in the TUC, Nebraska-Omaha, will wins/losses mean more than games of the past couple weekends, a Niagara sweep this past weekend and a split with Robert Morris the weekend before? Would be nice to see my Beavers get a #1 seed, but overtaking Miami/UW/DU/SCSU, over the next few weeks would seem a little tough, with just four games left, 2 @UNO, 2 @UAH, and then the CHA Tournament
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They are nice games for the RPI, but their status as a TUC doesn't matter as much because they are below the threshold. Even if UNO remains a TUC, that will leave then with 9 TUC games and 10 are needed for that component to count.
 
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VarsityWisconsin said:
So reward SCSU for being lower in the PWR? Hopefully Bemidji State passes them up this weekend.
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While "rewarding St. Cloud" might be an after-effect, it is certainly not the main goal of moving them to St. Paul. That goal is attendance.

As it shakes down by the current numbers, it puts the St. Cloud/Bemidji/Duluth/Ferris pod into Worcester. In other words, three of the five teams closest to St. Paul will be playing on the other side of the country, in a bracket that includes no local teams. That will be an attendance disaster. And St. Paul won't be hosting either of the remaining closest teams (Wisconsin or UND), but with Denver and Michigan State, they wouldn't be hurting. However, having those four teams in St. Paul would be a big win attendance-wise.

So if we hold to the "flight is a flight" principle, Denver already has to fly to St. Paul, so it hurts nothing to send them elsewhere. As it happens, the Denver, Wisconsin and Miami groupings split evenly the six Eastern teams in the bracket between them, so any one of them makes a good placement for Worcester or Albany. Not ideal, of course, but with a 10/6 split between Eastern and Western teams, attendance in the East is already partially humped.

The problem would not be solved with Bemidji passing St. Cloud, either. It would if an Eastern team passes St. Cloud, though.
 
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dggoddard said:
St. Paul
1. St. Cloud State
2. Bemidji State
3. Minnesota-Duluth
4. Ferris State

Ft. Wayne
1. Denver
2. New Hampshire
3. Michigan State
4. RIT

Albany
1. Wisconsin
2. Yale
3. Alaska
4. Cornell

Worcester
1. Miami
2. North Dakota
3. Boston College
4. Union
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Why are you making Miami fly? Now the top 3 seeds are flying and the 4th is "staying home." Unless they fall to 3rd, Miami should get Fort Wayne. I think the NCAA might be more tempted to break up the pods to protect #1 seeds while still selling tickets. To that end, Miami and Michigan State are likely to stay in Fort Wayne, Bemidji and/or UMD staying in St. Paul and BC, UNH and Cornell staying east.
 
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Priceless said:
Why are you making Miami fly? Now the top 3 seeds are flying and the 4th is "staying home." Unless they fall to 3rd, Miami should get Fort Wayne. I think the NCAA might be more tempted to break up the pods to protect #1 seeds while still selling tickets. To that end, Miami and Michigan State are likely to stay in Fort Wayne, Bemidji and/or UMD staying in St. Paul and BC, UNH and Cornell staying east.
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Any chance I get to screw Sconnie, Miami & North Dakota, I've got to at least consider it.

Under your "#1 seed don't fly" scenario 12 teams would fly. Your "Screw Wisconsin Plan" would have 8 teams flying. Under my plan only 8 teams would fly, plus it would have the added benefit of not only screwing Wisconsin, but also Miami & North Dakota.

Now that Miami is no longer #1 overall they become less entrenched at Ft. Wayne IMO. Three Minnesota teams in St Paul outweighs Miami at Ft. Wayne. Who know what the heck the NCAA would do with these brackets? In the past "bracket integrity" has ruled the day.
 
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Pucky-Bucky Backer said:
Wisconsin fans are not afraid to travel. Besides, having St. Cloud pull another "one and done" on close-to-home ice in St. Paul is priceless!
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I agree here. Wisco fans travel. And I'm sorry but let's be honest here. Putting 3 Minnesota teams in the St Paul regional that arent't the Gophers will not help attendence in the Twin Cities. People thought putting UMD in the Mariucci regional would be good for attendence last year and how did that turn out? Another fanbase that doesn't travel well= another empty seat regional. That place was empty and this year the regional is at a bigger venue.
 
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sfo19 said:
I agree here. Wisco fans travel. And I'm sorry but let's be honest here. Putting 3 Minnesota teams in the St Paul regional that arent't the Gophers will not help attendence in the Twin Cities. People thought putting UMD in the Mariucci regional would be good for attendence last year and how did that turn out? Another fanbase that doesn't travel well= another empty seat regional. That place was empty and this year the regional is at a bigger venue.
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There are enough pure hockey fans in the area that have no specific loyalties that will show will two or three state teams. There are also enough Gopher fans that will show just to taunt the other schools no matter who is there; UW, NoDak, or SCSU.
 
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Pucky-Bucky Backer said:
There are enough pure hockey fans in the area that have no specific loyalties that will show will two or three state teams. There are also enough Gopher fans that will show just to taunt the other schools no matter who is there; UW, NoDak, or SCSU.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. :)

I live in St Paul. I don't think Gopher fans care enough to taunt, and I don't think attendence at the X will be good based on the size of the facility.
 
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Going with the "flight is a flight" rule and throwing bracket integrity out the window gives us this:

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Denver			St Cloud		Miami		Wisconsin
UNH			Yale			UND		Bemidji
Alaska			BC			MSU		UMD
Cornell			Union			AHA Champ	Ferris

Each team in each band is placed geographically. The two eastern brackets end up totaling 34, Fort Wayne is a 35 and St. Paul a 33 - almost perfect. Flights are minimized: Denver and Alaska are flying no matter what, either St. Cloud or Wisconsin are going to fly and one of Cornell, Union and the AHA Champ is getting on a plane.

There are two Minnesota teams plus Wisconsin in St. Paul; Fort Wayne has Miami and Michigan State plus North Dakota; Albany has New Hampshire and Cornell and Worcester has Yale, BC and Union. With a win today, Northeastern would replace Union in Worcester.

Nothing says the committee would do this, and bracket integrity would be screwed up - but the bracket totals are acceptable and this would be a ticket bonanza. And nothing says the committee CAN'T do this.
 
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sfo19 said:
I don't think attendence at the X will be good based on the size of the facility.
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It depends on your definition of "good" attendance... is it 5000? 10,000? or even 15,000-18,000? Without the Gophers, I can't imagine even coming close to 10-15,000. No Minnesota team? Kiss 5,000 goodbye... JMHO.

Of course, this is kind of like the arguement abot the girl's MSHSL state tourney. They would sell-out Ridder Arena (like the regional would at Mariucci), but it's about the "experience" of playing at an NHL arena (and the money of playing there for the college if the Gophs make it)... I think what makes it similar is that I'd almost always take a sold-out venue over a half-empty rink, even if the half-empty one is twice is nice.
 
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Priceless said:
Going with the "flight is a flight" rule and throwing bracket integrity out the window gives us this:

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Denver			St Cloud		Miami		Wisconsin
UNH			Yale			UND		Bemidji
Alaska			BC			MSU		UMD
Cornell			Union			AHA Champ	Ferris
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Seeing Union play St. Cloud in the first round would be epic. :D

At this point though, I truly just want Union to get into the tourney for the first time. I don't care where they play, who they play, or when they play. I want this so badly as a fan and I'd be ready to travel to Antarctica to see the Dutchmen competing for a National Championship!
 
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UnionHockeyManiac said:
Seeing Union play St. Cloud in the first round would be epic. :D

At this point though, I truly just want Union to get into the tourney for the first time. I don't care where they play, who they play, or when they play. I want this so badly as a fan and I'd be ready to travel to Antarctica to see the Dutchmen competing for a National Championship!
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I think the internet would cease to function after that game thread.
 
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dggoddard said:
St. Paul
1. St. Cloud State
2. Bemidji State
3. Minnesota-Duluth
4. Ferris State

Ft. Wayne
1. Denver
2. New Hampshire
3. Michigan State
4. RIT

Albany
1. Wisconsin
2. Yale
3. Alaska
4. Cornell

Worcester
1. Miami
2. North Dakota
3. Boston College
4. Union
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I wouldnt be suprised to see another ccha team challange miami for the playoff title. That would put a different ccha team in and maybe bump alaska out.
 
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If Worcester actually looks like this, I'd get my ticket tomorrow.

And everyone in North Dakota would just about puke tomorrow, too :p

dggoddard said:
St. Paul
1. St. Cloud State
2. Bemidji State
3. Minnesota-Duluth
4. Ferris State

Ft. Wayne
1. Denver
2. New Hampshire
3. Michigan State
4. RIT

Albany
1. Wisconsin
2. Yale
3. Alaska
4. Cornell

Worcester
1. Miami
2. North Dakota
3. Boston College
4. Union
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Today's bracketology:

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester	Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Wisconsin		St Cloud	Miami		Denver
Yale			Bemidji		BC		UND
Alaska			UMD		MSU		UNH
Cornell			Ferris		Union		AHA Champ

To eliminate flights for top seeds (and screw Sconni)

Code: 
[B]Albany		Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Wisconsin	Denver			Miami		St Cloud
Yale		UND			BC		Bemidji
Alaska		UNH			MSU		UMD
Cornell		AHA Champ		Union		Ferris

Placing the seeds geographically:

Code: 
[B]Albany (33)		Worcester (34)		Fort Wayne (36) St. Paul (33) [/B]
Denver			St Cloud		Miami		Wisconsin
BC			Yale			UND		Bemidji
Alaska			UNH			MSU		UMD
Cornell			Union			AHA Champ	Ferris

The TUC line:

Code: 
21	Northern Mich	0.5240
22	Minnesota	0.5218
23	Boston Univ	0.5193
24	Mass-Lowell	0.5189
25	Michigan	0.5164
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26	Mass-Amherst	0.5147
27	Lake Superior	0.5110
28	Merrimack	0.5086
29	MSU-Mankato	0.5068
30	RPI	        0.5032
 
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