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Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
My early picks:
1 [AQ] Denver (DU)
2 [AQ] Miami (Mm)
3 Wisconsin (Wi)
4 [AQ] Boston College (BC)
5 North Dakota (ND)
6 [AQ] Cornell (Cr)
7 Bemidji State (BS)
8t St. Cloud State (SC)
8t Northern Michigan (NM)
10 Yale (Ya)
11t New Hampshire (NH)
11t Alaska (Ak)
11t Vermont (Vt)
14 Ferris State (FS)
-- [AQ] RIT
-- [AQ] Huntsville
My early picks:
1 [AQ] Denver (DU)
2 [AQ] Miami (Mm)
3 Wisconsin (Wi)
4 [AQ] Boston College (BC)
5 North Dakota (ND)
6 [AQ] Cornell (Cr)
7 Bemidji State (BS)
8t St. Cloud State (SC)
8t Northern Michigan (NM)
10 Yale (Ya)
11t New Hampshire (NH)
11t Alaska (Ak)
11t Vermont (Vt)
14 Ferris State (FS)
-- [AQ] RIT
-- [AQ] Huntsville
Code:
[B]Albany Worcester Fort Wayne St. Paul[/B]
Wisconsin Boston College Miami Denver
Cornell North Dakota Bemidji State St Cloud
UNH Alaska Yale NMU
Vermont Ferris State RIT HuntsvilleRe: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
After tonight's games, this is what I came up with:
1. Denver
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. BC
5. North Dakota
6. St. Cloud State
7. Bemidji State
8. Ferris State
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. UMD
12. NMU
13. Alaska
14. Vermont
15. RIT
16. UAH
West:
1. Denver
2. Ferris State
3. UMD
4. UAH
Midwest:
1. Miami
2. Bemidji State
3. Yale
4. RIT
East:
1. Wisconsin
2. St. Cloud State
3. Cornell
4. Vermont
Northeast:
1. BC
2. UND
3. NMU
4. Alaska
After tonight's games, this is what I came up with:
1. Denver
2. Miami
3. Wisconsin
4. BC
5. North Dakota
6. St. Cloud State
7. Bemidji State
8. Ferris State
9. Cornell
10. Yale
11. UMD
12. NMU
13. Alaska
14. Vermont
15. RIT
16. UAH
West:
1. Denver
2. Ferris State
3. UMD
4. UAH
Midwest:
1. Miami
2. Bemidji State
3. Yale
4. RIT
East:
1. Wisconsin
2. St. Cloud State
3. Cornell
4. Vermont
Northeast:
1. BC
2. UND
3. NMU
4. Alaska
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Ouch to the NE region. Could you swap NMU and Yale for attendance purposes? I don't see BC carrying the attendance in Worcester that much, especially considering no one from Alaska will come and very few from UND and NMU will. There were no more than a few hundred Sioux fans in Manchester last year.
Ouch to the NE region. Could you swap NMU and Yale for attendance purposes? I don't see BC carrying the attendance in Worcester that much, especially considering no one from Alaska will come and very few from UND and NMU will. There were no more than a few hundred Sioux fans in Manchester last year.
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
BC-Minnesota
BC-Miami
I think the committee would be fine with this scenario...
BC-Minnesota
BC-Miami
I think the committee would be fine with this scenario...
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Priceless
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Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
If Michigan wins the CCHA, Duluth wins 2 games at the F5 and anyone other than Cornell wins the ECAC while BC wins Hockey East, then BC will be the only HEA team in the field.
WCHA: 5
CCHA: 4
ECAC: 3
CHA: 2
AHA: 1
HEA: 1
If Michigan wins the CCHA, Duluth wins 2 games at the F5 and anyone other than Cornell wins the ECAC while BC wins Hockey East, then BC will be the only HEA team in the field.
WCHA: 5
CCHA: 4
ECAC: 3
CHA: 2
AHA: 1
HEA: 1
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Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Jayson has been playing with the Predictor and blogging/tweeting his results...not sure when he sleeps...
Anyway, here's Wisconsin as the overall #1 seed:
CCHA Semifinal #2: Ferris State defeats Northern Michigan
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Miami
CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ferris State
CCHA Consolation game: Northern Michigan defeats Miami
ECAC Semifinal #2: Union defeats St. Lawrence
ECAC Semifinal #1: Brown defeats Cornell
ECAC Championship game: Brown defeats Union
ECAC Consolation game: St. Lawrence defeats Cornell
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Maine defeats Boston University
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Boston College
Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Vermont
WCHA Play-in #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats North Dakota
WCHA Semifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State
WCHA Semifinal #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats Denver
WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota-Duluth
WCHA Consolation game: St. Cloud State defeats Denver
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Sacred Heart defeats Air Force
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: RIT defeats Canisius
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: RIT defeats Sacred Heart
I wish we had a Vegas oddsmaker on this thread
Jayson's blog
Jayson has been playing with the Predictor and blogging/tweeting his results...not sure when he sleeps...
Anyway, here's Wisconsin as the overall #1 seed:
CCHA Semifinal #2: Ferris State defeats Northern Michigan
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Miami
CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ferris State
CCHA Consolation game: Northern Michigan defeats Miami
ECAC Semifinal #2: Union defeats St. Lawrence
ECAC Semifinal #1: Brown defeats Cornell
ECAC Championship game: Brown defeats Union
ECAC Consolation game: St. Lawrence defeats Cornell
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Maine defeats Boston University
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Boston College
Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Vermont
WCHA Play-in #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats North Dakota
WCHA Semifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State
WCHA Semifinal #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats Denver
WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota-Duluth
WCHA Consolation game: St. Cloud State defeats Denver
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Sacred Heart defeats Air Force
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: RIT defeats Canisius
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: RIT defeats Sacred Heart
I wish we had a Vegas oddsmaker on this thread
Jayson's blog
yalehockeyfan
New member
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
IS YALE A LOCK TO MAKE THE TOURNEY NOW?
IS YALE A LOCK TO MAKE THE TOURNEY NOW?
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
No. Jayson posted this http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20100315/and-heres-yale-not-getting-in.html.
No. Jayson posted this http://www.uscho.com/blogs/bracketology/jayson/20100315/and-heres-yale-not-getting-in.html.
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
I came up with Wisconsin getting as high as #2 if Miami loses both games and WI wins the WCHA (and maybe even just one game...but I'm not positive) On the flip side, UW can drop to #4 if BC BC wins the HE title and UW loses both games. Nice to see a scenario for the Badgers to get the #1 overall.
Jayson has been playing with the Predictor and blogging/tweeting his results...not sure when he sleeps...
Anyway, here's Wisconsin as the overall #1 seed:
CCHA Semifinal #2: Ferris State defeats Northern Michigan
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Miami
CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ferris State
CCHA Consolation game: Northern Michigan defeats Miami
ECAC Semifinal #2: Union defeats St. Lawrence
ECAC Semifinal #1: Brown defeats Cornell
ECAC Championship game: Brown defeats Union
ECAC Consolation game: St. Lawrence defeats Cornell
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Maine defeats Boston University
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Boston College
Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Vermont
WCHA Play-in #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats North Dakota
WCHA Semifinal #2: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State
WCHA Semifinal #1: Minnesota-Duluth defeats Denver
WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota-Duluth
WCHA Consolation game: St. Cloud State defeats Denver
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Sacred Heart defeats Air Force
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: RIT defeats Canisius
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: RIT defeats Sacred Heart
I wish we had a Vegas oddsmaker on this thread
Jayson's blog
I came up with Wisconsin getting as high as #2 if Miami loses both games and WI wins the WCHA (and maybe even just one game...but I'm not positive) On the flip side, UW can drop to #4 if BC BC wins the HE title and UW loses both games. Nice to see a scenario for the Badgers to get the #1 overall.
Zudnic
Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Don't be so sure. I was at an Alaska game at UNO once that was full of people who had driven three days from Fairbanks. They might come down for the first shot at the NCAA's in a while.
Don't be so sure. I was at an Alaska game at UNO once that was full of people who had driven three days from Fairbanks. They might come down for the first shot at the NCAA's in a while.
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
There is usually a good contingent of UA folks at JLA when they make it to the CCHA Championships. Short notice hurts the pocketbook, but they follow their team.
Oh, and corrected your post.
There is usually a good contingent of UA folks at JLA when they make it to the CCHA Championships. Short notice hurts the pocketbook, but they follow their team.
Oh, and corrected your post.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Anyone notice that the USCHO PWR is different than CHN?
Significantly different around the bubble. Apparently one thinks UMass is a TUC, the other thinks Minnesota?
Anyone notice that the USCHO PWR is different than CHN?
Significantly different around the bubble. Apparently one thinks UMass is a TUC, the other thinks Minnesota?
Code:
USCHO CHN Team
1 2 Denver
2 1 Miami
3 3 Wisconsin
4.3 4 Boston College
4.6 5 North Dakota
4.9 6.3 St. Cloud State
7 6.6 Bemidji State
8.3 8.3 Ferris State
8.6 8.6 Cornell
10 11.2 Yale
11.3 11.8 Minnesota-Duluth
11.6 10 Northern Michigan
13 15 Alaska
14 11.6 Vermont
15 11.4 New Hampshire
16 19.3 Michigan
17.3 17.6 Michigan State
17.6 19.6 Maine
17.9 16 Boston University
20 21 Union
21 24.3 Colorado College
22.3 22.3 Nebraska-Omaha
22.6 22.6 Mass.-Lowell
24 Minnesota
25 24.6 RIT
17.3 MassachusettsZudnic
Clear Eyes, Full Hearts, Can't Lose
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Didn't realize it was their first time!
Oh, and corrected your post.
Didn't realize it was their first time!
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Priceless
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Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
"A glitch caused 4 scores from Saturday to be switched, causing a temporary error in our Pairwise."
"A glitch caused 4 scores from Saturday to be switched, causing a temporary error in our Pairwise."
ScoobyFanClub
Registered User
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Yeah - there's no way the Pairwise's out there should be different - unless there's a score glitch like this. The algorithm is well known at this point, and easily re-producible. So if you see differences, someone probably has a wrong score. I've seen this before - both ways.
Where you get real differences is in the interpretation of breaking ties ... and then of course, there is some margin for difference of opinion on seeding, when the committee is faced with either/or decisions. But that's pretty much it. On the Pairwise list itself, all the sites should match.
Yeah - there's no way the Pairwise's out there should be different - unless there's a score glitch like this. The algorithm is well known at this point, and easily re-producible. So if you see differences, someone probably has a wrong score. I've seen this before - both ways.
Where you get real differences is in the interpretation of breaking ties ... and then of course, there is some margin for difference of opinion on seeding, when the committee is faced with either/or decisions. But that's pretty much it. On the Pairwise list itself, all the sites should match.
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Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
Denver - In. 1 or 2. Going to Albany, Worcester or St. Paul.
Miami - In. 1-3. Fort Wayne.
Wisconsin - In. 1-5. Probably 3. Albany or St. Paul.
Boston College - In. 4-7. Looking to be the 1 seed in Worcester.
North Dakota - In. 4-7. Can still be a 1 seed, looking like a 2.
St. Cloud - In. 4-9. Can be a 1 seed if they win the WCHA title, or win the third place game.
Bemidji State - In. 2 seed.
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Cornell - Not in. Can get as high as 6 overall or miss the tournament completely. Looking like the 3 seed in Albany.
Ferris State - Not in. Can get as high as 6 overall or miss the tournament completely.
Yale - Not in, but very close.
UMD - Not in. 2 wins at the F5 will do it; that means they MUST win the play-in game vs North Dakota.
NMU - Not in, but can advance even with 2 losses at the Joe.
Alaska - Not in, but close. Need there to be less than 3 "autobid" winners. They are Miami, BC and Cornell fans this weekend.
Vermont - Not in, but close. Can still be a 2 seed if they win HEA.
New Hampshire - Not in, but close. More Miami, BC and Cornell fans.
Italics are teams that are no longer playing.
At least one of these bubble teams will be knocked out. UMD is my bet. Vermont is second.
Huntsville and the AHA Champion are autobids and in the field.
Everyone else is an autobid or nothing.
Denver - In. 1 or 2. Going to Albany, Worcester or St. Paul.
Miami - In. 1-3. Fort Wayne.
Wisconsin - In. 1-5. Probably 3. Albany or St. Paul.
Boston College - In. 4-7. Looking to be the 1 seed in Worcester.
North Dakota - In. 4-7. Can still be a 1 seed, looking like a 2.
St. Cloud - In. 4-9. Can be a 1 seed if they win the WCHA title, or win the third place game.
Bemidji State - In. 2 seed.
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Cornell - Not in. Can get as high as 6 overall or miss the tournament completely. Looking like the 3 seed in Albany.
Ferris State - Not in. Can get as high as 6 overall or miss the tournament completely.
Yale - Not in, but very close.
UMD - Not in. 2 wins at the F5 will do it; that means they MUST win the play-in game vs North Dakota.
NMU - Not in, but can advance even with 2 losses at the Joe.
Alaska - Not in, but close. Need there to be less than 3 "autobid" winners. They are Miami, BC and Cornell fans this weekend.
Vermont - Not in, but close. Can still be a 2 seed if they win HEA.
New Hampshire - Not in, but close. More Miami, BC and Cornell fans.
Italics are teams that are no longer playing.
At least one of these bubble teams will be knocked out. UMD is my bet. Vermont is second.
Huntsville and the AHA Champion are autobids and in the field.
Everyone else is an autobid or nothing.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
I thought the tiebreakers were set? RPI being the first tiebreaker?
I thought the tiebreakers were set? RPI being the first tiebreaker?
Re: Bracketology and the PairWise Rankings II
you deserve a umm lets see a nobel for your efforts, well close to it , great work.
you deserve a umm lets see a nobel for your efforts, well close to it , great work.