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Boston University 2019-2020
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Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Can we use your goalie? If so, I agree.
BU Hockey: Limping to the Finish
Can we use your goalie? If so, I agree.
BU Hockey: Limping to the Finish
brassbonanza
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Re: Boston University 2019-2020
It was absolutely not well known that they preferred to stay where they are. Instead, most reporting at the time indicated BU removed them from their final list. Those reports could have been one-sided or lacking full context, but the general consensus was BU removed Pandolfo and Sacco from their list not vice versa.
It's important to remember BU made this hire in a precarious spot - in that the program was on very solid footing. Very little/nothing needed to change for BU to reach the highest levels of success. Four consecutive NCAA Tournament births, two consecutive Regional Final births, defending HE Tournament Champions, a year removed from a HE RS Championship, and an exceptional recruiting pipeline. Albie was the candidate who most believed would continue that momentum - he recruited the incoming players, the existing players (by all accounts) were fond of him, he knew the systems in place.
Hiring Bennett would've meant blowing it all up and restarting. Bennett likely would bring in a completely new coaching staff, we'd risk losing recruits, existing players, and the momentum Quinn built. Sacco and Pandolfo wouldn't have been as big a change, but one nonetheless. Also consider at the time Pandolfo had only two years of assistant coaching experience with the Bruins and no head coaching experience. Sacco had lengthy NHL coaching experience including the few years in Colorado. Pandolfo and Sacco both have zero college coaching experience, I'd think BU wondered whether these two could recruit.
It was not unreasonable for BU to be concerned if Sacco would jump at the first call from any NHL team. Don't forget it took NYR multiple calls and a huge deal to get Quinn. Personally, I don't want a coach who'd come in and jump the first time a dead-end NHL job with the Panthers or Senators came up.
Not to say Albie was the sure-fire right choice here that Quinn was post-Parker, but the other candidates weren't either. I agree in future decisions BU should consider all candidates in and outside of the BU family, but that also must take into account the current state of the program. If they're moving on from Albie in the next few years, that hiring decision will account for numerous factors that didn't exist when Quinn left.
It was absolutely not well known that they preferred to stay where they are. Instead, most reporting at the time indicated BU removed them from their final list. Those reports could have been one-sided or lacking full context, but the general consensus was BU removed Pandolfo and Sacco from their list not vice versa.
It's important to remember BU made this hire in a precarious spot - in that the program was on very solid footing. Very little/nothing needed to change for BU to reach the highest levels of success. Four consecutive NCAA Tournament births, two consecutive Regional Final births, defending HE Tournament Champions, a year removed from a HE RS Championship, and an exceptional recruiting pipeline. Albie was the candidate who most believed would continue that momentum - he recruited the incoming players, the existing players (by all accounts) were fond of him, he knew the systems in place.
Hiring Bennett would've meant blowing it all up and restarting. Bennett likely would bring in a completely new coaching staff, we'd risk losing recruits, existing players, and the momentum Quinn built. Sacco and Pandolfo wouldn't have been as big a change, but one nonetheless. Also consider at the time Pandolfo had only two years of assistant coaching experience with the Bruins and no head coaching experience. Sacco had lengthy NHL coaching experience including the few years in Colorado. Pandolfo and Sacco both have zero college coaching experience, I'd think BU wondered whether these two could recruit.
It was not unreasonable for BU to be concerned if Sacco would jump at the first call from any NHL team. Don't forget it took NYR multiple calls and a huge deal to get Quinn. Personally, I don't want a coach who'd come in and jump the first time a dead-end NHL job with the Panthers or Senators came up.
Not to say Albie was the sure-fire right choice here that Quinn was post-Parker, but the other candidates weren't either. I agree in future decisions BU should consider all candidates in and outside of the BU family, but that also must take into account the current state of the program. If they're moving on from Albie in the next few years, that hiring decision will account for numerous factors that didn't exist when Quinn left.
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Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Some of these concerns, if true, are absurd and the school seriously needs to reconsider them. Who cares if for example Sacco might leave again for the pros? If he can do the job for 4-5 years like Quinn and make the program a contender complete with a few HE titles and a Frozen Four appearance why would you trade that for a clueless fata ss who has the team mired in mediocrity but will stay for 20 years because nobody else wants him?
Also I don't get the recruiting angle. No offense to Albie or anybody in his situation, but a former NHL player and head coach doesn't have the same credibility with the recruits that a career minor leaguer who's never been the head coach on any level has? Maybe there were some other reasons for not hiring Sacco that we're not privy to (including the open question of if he would have actually taken the job), but I hope those weren't the reasons or that's a major F up that needs to be corrected.
Some of these concerns, if true, are absurd and the school seriously needs to reconsider them. Who cares if for example Sacco might leave again for the pros? If he can do the job for 4-5 years like Quinn and make the program a contender complete with a few HE titles and a Frozen Four appearance why would you trade that for a clueless fata ss who has the team mired in mediocrity but will stay for 20 years because nobody else wants him?
Also I don't get the recruiting angle. No offense to Albie or anybody in his situation, but a former NHL player and head coach doesn't have the same credibility with the recruits that a career minor leaguer who's never been the head coach on any level has? Maybe there were some other reasons for not hiring Sacco that we're not privy to (including the open question of if he would have actually taken the job), but I hope those weren't the reasons or that's a major F up that needs to be corrected.
Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Jeez guys, BC and BU are schools that sell themselves. Wondering if a coach can recruit at BU is really an odd concern. If anything, the fact that a coach sucks at coaching could ruin the recruiting for said coach and turn recruits off from BU. You hire the guy that can coach hockey at places like this. Not to mention assistants that are able to do the recruiting for the HC.
Jeez guys, BC and BU are schools that sell themselves. Wondering if a coach can recruit at BU is really an odd concern. If anything, the fact that a coach sucks at coaching could ruin the recruiting for said coach and turn recruits off from BU. You hire the guy that can coach hockey at places like this. Not to mention assistants that are able to do the recruiting for the HC.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
<img src="https://www.buhockeyarchives.com/Charts/York-Bazin-Leaman.png">
As can be seen, over the past nine seasons Coach York leads in five categories, trailing Coach Bazin in Hockey East Tournament play and last in OOC play. Coach Leaman is last in 5 categories and 2nd in 2 others. If you want to go beyond just wins and losses and include post season play and titles then Coach York is still the leader, but has dropped off the past several seasons. Coach York has 5 HE regular season titles ('12, '14, '16, '17, '18), one HE Tournament title ('12), five NCAA appearances ('12, '13, '14, '15, '16), three FF appearances ('12, '14, '16) and one NCAA title ('12). Coach Bazin has 2 HE regular season titles ('13, '17), three HE Tournament titles ('13, '14, '17), five NCAA appearances ('12, '13, '14, '16, '17) and one FF appearance ('13). Coach Leaman has one HE regular season title ('16), six NCAA apearances ('14, '15, '16, '17, '18, '19), two FF appearances ('15, '19) and one NCAA title ('15).
Sean
I've been tracking Hockey East coaching records for several years now. First, including this season Coach Leaman is 191-112-44 (0.614) at PC. Second, you gave Coach York's overall record, not his record at BC; including this season he is 622-323-87 (0.645) and over the past 9 seasons (the same as Coach Leaman) he is 209-111-28 (0.641). So Coach York is flat out better than Coach Leaman.
Coach Bazin is currently 203-110-31 (0.635), also better than Coach Leaman and just slightly behind Coach York. But besides overall records, what about league records, post-season records and titles? Here are all three coaches records for overall, league, regular season, out of conference, Hockey East Tournament, NCAA Tournament and combined HEA & NCAA Tournaments:
<img src="https://www.buhockeyarchives.com/Charts/York-Bazin-Leaman.png">
As can be seen, over the past nine seasons Coach York leads in five categories, trailing Coach Bazin in Hockey East Tournament play and last in OOC play. Coach Leaman is last in 5 categories and 2nd in 2 others. If you want to go beyond just wins and losses and include post season play and titles then Coach York is still the leader, but has dropped off the past several seasons. Coach York has 5 HE regular season titles ('12, '14, '16, '17, '18), one HE Tournament title ('12), five NCAA appearances ('12, '13, '14, '15, '16), three FF appearances ('12, '14, '16) and one NCAA title ('12). Coach Bazin has 2 HE regular season titles ('13, '17), three HE Tournament titles ('13, '14, '17), five NCAA appearances ('12, '13, '14, '16, '17) and one FF appearance ('13). Coach Leaman has one HE regular season title ('16), six NCAA apearances ('14, '15, '16, '17, '18, '19), two FF appearances ('15, '19) and one NCAA title ('15).
Sean
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Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Good stuff but I am commenting on the coaching as the total package not just winning %. There is no way that Providence nor UMassLowell gets near the caliber players that BC does and yet they are right there. Leaman and Bazin get more out of less. Give Bazin and Leaman the talent that BC has and they are dominate.
Good stuff but I am commenting on the coaching as the total package not just winning %. There is no way that Providence nor UMassLowell gets near the caliber players that BC does and yet they are right there. Leaman and Bazin get more out of less. Give Bazin and Leaman the talent that BC has and they are dominate.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Yah
If jrrrrrry was so good how come he has so few hea coach of the year awards
Yah
If jrrrrrry was so good how come he has so few hea coach of the year awards
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
LOL...on a side note who is this years Bob Kullen Coach of the year frontrunner? Red Gendron would be my vote at this point with Cavanaugh 2nd.....
Yah
If jrrrrrry was so good how come he has so few hea coach of the year awards
LOL...on a side note who is this years Bob Kullen Coach of the year frontrunner? Red Gendron would be my vote at this point with Cavanaugh 2nd.....
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
York is the better coach because he's going head to head with the other two when he's like 95 years old while the other two are in their prime. York in his best stretch blows away anything the other two have accomplished. That's not to take away from what they and Carvel at UMass do with far less resources.
I'd rank them in HE as:
1) York
2) Leaman
3) Bezin
4) Madigan
5) Carvel
6) Cavanaugh
(big gap)
7) Albie
8) Souza
9) Borek
10) Gendron
11) Sneddon.
York is the better coach because he's going head to head with the other two when he's like 95 years old while the other two are in their prime. York in his best stretch blows away anything the other two have accomplished. That's not to take away from what they and Carvel at UMass do with far less resources.
I'd rank them in HE as:
1) York
2) Leaman
3) Bezin
4) Madigan
5) Carvel
6) Cavanaugh
(big gap)
7) Albie
8) Souza
9) Borek
10) Gendron
11) Sneddon.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Not arguing for Albie, only arguing for finding a candidate who won't come in and have one foot out the door the whole time.
The recruiting angle is, if you've never done it how good/committed are you to it? In most sports, the biggest challenge for lifetime pro coaches moving to college is the time dedication required for recruiting. You can't sit in the video room and break down film 100% of the offseason. You have to scout junior leagues around the world, travel, deal with families, sit in living rooms and sell your program, etc. If the head coach doesn't have the dedication to do that, they will not succeed. It's reasonable to ask this question of someone with zero collegiate coaching experience.
Some of these concerns, if true, are absurd and the school seriously needs to reconsider them. Who cares if for example Sacco might leave again for the pros? If he can do the job for 4-5 years like Quinn and make the program a contender complete with a few HE titles and a Frozen Four appearance why would you trade that for a clueless fata ss who has the team mired in mediocrity but will stay for 20 years because nobody else wants him?
Also I don't get the recruiting angle. No offense to Albie or anybody in his situation, but a former NHL player and head coach doesn't have the same credibility with the recruits that a career minor leaguer who's never been the head coach on any level has? Maybe there were some other reasons for not hiring Sacco that we're not privy to (including the open question of if he would have actually taken the job), but I hope those weren't the reasons or that's a major F up that needs to be corrected.
Not arguing for Albie, only arguing for finding a candidate who won't come in and have one foot out the door the whole time.
The recruiting angle is, if you've never done it how good/committed are you to it? In most sports, the biggest challenge for lifetime pro coaches moving to college is the time dedication required for recruiting. You can't sit in the video room and break down film 100% of the offseason. You have to scout junior leagues around the world, travel, deal with families, sit in living rooms and sell your program, etc. If the head coach doesn't have the dedication to do that, they will not succeed. It's reasonable to ask this question of someone with zero collegiate coaching experience.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
As for the total package, I still think Coach York is better than Coaches Bazin and Leaman.
Sean
But would they be? Would they get as much out of better players? You really can't say. As has been pointed out here many times, when you have very talented players you also have to know how to coach them. What evidence do you have that Coaches Bazin and Leaman are able to do that?
As for the total package, I still think Coach York is better than Coaches Bazin and Leaman.
Sean
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Give Coach York Vermonts roster and they still finish at the bottom. A huge part of it is the talent you have. Quinn looked like a genius with Eichel on the team...I look at coaches who get the most out of their teams. BC last year underperformed mightily didnt they? This year they have a senior laden D group and some 1st rounders up front (that will probably leave). Lets see how York does next season...
Give Coach York Vermonts roster and they still finish at the bottom. A huge part of it is the talent you have. Quinn looked like a genius with Eichel on the team...I look at coaches who get the most out of their teams. BC last year underperformed mightily didnt they? This year they have a senior laden D group and some 1st rounders up front (that will probably leave). Lets see how York does next season...
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
however you want to break it down, nobody else could get the recruits mom's wet like quinny would!!!
however you want to break it down, nobody else could get the recruits mom's wet like quinny would!!!
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Zero debate. Close thread.
however you want to break it down, nobody else could get the recruits mom's wet like quinny would!!!
Zero debate. Close thread.
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Sean
If you only use league records I think Coach York is in the mix, but Coach Cavanugh would be my front runner when you compare his record vs last season. If you use overall records as well, then Coach Gendron may be the front runner, but I think this season it really is too early to say.
Sean
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Sean
And in this mythical world how would Coaches Bazin and Leaman do with Vermont's roster?
Sean
Re: Boston University 2019-2020
Crappy. LOL. But looking at the Hockey East standings the most talented team on paper is BC is it not?
Crappy. LOL. But looking at the Hockey East standings the most talented team on paper is BC is it not?
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