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Boston University - 2017-2018 season - thread numero uno

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I don't think talent is an issue as much as player development. Some upperclassmen not improving, perhaps pigeonholed and buried on the depth chart b/c of the prioritization of recruiting and developing the "shiniest toys" available for the NHL instead of following the 1+1+1+1+1 > 5 team-building model.

Ding...ding...ding...ding...congrats...you get it
 
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The natives are getting restless.

I’ve only seen them play a few times, so this might not be a fair question, but would Amonte and Tkachuk have made it here if they had different last names?
 
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I’ve only seen them play a few times, so this might not be a fair question, but would Amonte and Tkachuk have made it here if they had different last names?

Fair question...I haven't seen enough games in person to have a strong opinion, but in the games I have been they have not been, should we say, "factors." On the other hand, at this point, one could say that about many of the players, regardless of last name.
 
Fair question...I haven't seen enough games in person to have a strong opinion, but in the games I have been they have not been, should we say, "factors." On the other hand, at this point, one could say that about many of the players, regardless of last name.
I think Tkachuk is legit. He was a star on the U18 wasn’t he?
He’s looked like he can be dominant on the puck sometimes but gets bogged down in the same garbage the rest of them do.

Whoever said up thread about the only offense coming from the points is right. Teams just clog up the front of the net so much it’s almost impossible to get to anything in there. I’m also done with the wraparound attempts.
 
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Tkachuk is absolutely legit. Not even a question. His stock may be dropping, but he's still a 1st rounder. Amonte you could question, but I would say he is D-1 player. He did cough up the puck with a terrible pass on the first NU goal - I wouldn't be surprised if he sits tonight.
 
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Tkachuk clearly is loaded with skill but is EXTREMELY raw and needs time to develop, as well as put on some muscle. He's had a good amount of trouble adjusting to the level of play and physicality at the collegiate level. Amonte has been decent, though I think he's one of the guys that could've used another year of development before coming to college. I don't think either one got here on his last name, a la Eruzione's kid, nor do I think either is a major factor contributing to the horrendous play over the last month. For the life of me I cannot understand Quinn's insistence on continuing to suit up Cloonan each night, he's a total nonfactor. Where's Chabot? Why is Farrance, a great piece for us against NU, sitting both games in favor of Kotkansalo, Crotty, and Diffley? Not to mention Quinn has shuffled these guys around so many times that virtually no one has any idea where they fit in, linemates have ZERO chemistry, no one knows what they need to do to stay in the lineup or what'll get them benched. For me, this is the first time in his tenure I pin this poor play squarely on gross missteps by the head coach. It's almost as if he's so overinvested in his own scheme that he needs to take a day off from hockey to clear his head and refocus, because right now his coaching decisions look aimless and make little sense.
 
Tkachuk is absolutely legit. Not even a question. His stock may be dropping, but he's still a 1st rounder. Amonte you could question, but I would say he is D-1 player. He did cough up the puck with a terrible pass on the first NU goal - I wouldn't be surprised if he sits tonight.

Was that before or after Cloonan fell?
 
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Tkachuk clearly is loaded with skill but is EXTREMELY raw and needs time to develop, as well as put on some muscle. He's had a good amount of trouble adjusting to the level of play and physicality at the collegiate level.

Tkachuk is still growing into his body. In 3 years he's grown from 5'10"/155 to 6'3"/194. Looks very awkward at times physically against more mature competition.


Amonte has been decent, though I think he's one of the guys that could've used another year of development before coming to college. I don't think either one got here on his last name, a la Eruzione's kid, nor do I think either is a major factor contributing to the horrendous play over the last month.

If it wasn't for other departures, he would have played another year in either the BCHL or USHL. I think the same could be said for Cockerill and Crone.

If JFK & Bellows returned, and Andren hadn't transferred, I think we would have only seen one of the 3 (between Amonte, Cockerill, Crone) on this year's roster.

For the life of me I cannot understand Quinn's insistence on continuing to suit up Cloonan each night, he's a total nonfactor.

Great skater. Unfortunately that's where it begins/ends. Skates much faster than he sees & thinks the game, hence the lack of productivity as well as a defensive liability.

Would much rather have an average skater w/ high hockey IQ in the lineup.
 
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In the last 14 full periods, only 2 goals by a BU forward. That is the main issue on this team.

Today is a new day. I like the lines from last night even though they didn't result in a win. Hopefully Quinn sticks with these lines and gives them a chance to gel. Jumbling the lines every game isn't working.
 
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In the last 14 full periods, only 2 goals by a BU forward. That is the main issue on this team.

Today is a new day. I like the lines from last night even though they didn't result in a win. Hopefully Quinn sticks with these lines and gives them a chance to gel. Jumbling the lines every game isn't working.

I agree that sticking with lines is the way to go, but the lines in both NU games were a disaster. Sub out Cloonan and one of Crone/Amonte for Chabot and Olsson. We have far too many "small speedy forwards" in the lineup right now - Crone, Harper, Cockerill, Melanson, Cloonan, Amonte. Only one of them is scoring consistently (Harper), and only one other is displaying consistent skill in both zones (Cockerill). Not that he's the savior by any stretch, but Chabot's gritty play is a missing piece, and Olsson's physicality, leadership, and experience is needed out there. Cannot make more plays like the one he made last Saturday that drew the suspension.

Sub in Hickey and Farrance for two of Crotty/Kotkansalo/McLeod/Diffley. Despite his penalties, I like McLeod's physicality being out there, along with experience and a good shot from the blue line. I feel terrible for Diffley that he got stuck in the back of the shuffle in 15-16 and 16-17 when the new D came in and that stunted his development significantly. Crotty and Kotkansalo have been decent but unspectacular.

Separate issue but this program under Quinn has seemed to have the mental stability of a house of cards. 13-14 can be disregarded here. 14-15, I think this is what the Eichel effect covered up more than anything else. 15-16 the team inexplicably collapsed after something happened during the series at ND. What happened is unclear since they played fairly well in splitting the series, only losing a close 1-0 game Saturday where Peterson had to stand on his head. That followed with a woeful octofinal series against that abysmal Amherst team, the two collapses in the QF against Lowell, and another collapse in the NCAAs against DU. 16-17 began to mentally combust in January starting with the Merrimack sweep and continued its downward spiral in the woeful Harvard and BC games at the Garden. To their credit, they put together a very respectable performance in the NCAAs in an impossible environment against UND and against a superb UMD team. But the number of "events" that have caused the team to spiral out of control for long periods of time is concerning. I wonder if the Mankato sweep and DU loss are this year's version.
 
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We have far too many "small speedy forwards" in the lineup right now

Another consideration is the imbalance between left/right shots. Only Bobo, Amonte, Chabot and Witkowski shoot right, and only 2 of those forwards are regulars in the lineup.

IMO this has also been a factor to the team's inability to generate scoring opportunities. The glut of left shots has led to much of the offense attempted to be generated from the LW side; passes from that side are often to another left-shot who must handle it on their backhand. Not to mention if the off-wing is coming down the RW side, he has to either telegraph the pass on his forehand, attempt to make a clean backhand pass, or get it deep and protect the puck w/ his body so he's in position to make a forehand pass out coming out of the corner.

Never underestimate the importance of having a left/right balance on forward lines.
 
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I’m sorry but I still don’t understand how that is “interference.” Bobo HAD POSSESSION and pushed the puck ahead to himself. If Gildon doesn’t touch him Bobo just walks right around him. So he’s supposed to do nothing and just let Bobo walk around him and collect the puck?
 
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Interesting to hear on the broadcast the talk of a “goalie competition.” A little premature perhaps but it can only be GOOD to have someone you’re not afraid to throw in there to give Jake a rest.
 
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