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Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
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riverchief1
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Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
And the goosestepping coming down Pennsylvania Avenue come January...
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Now back to hockey!
And the goosestepping coming down Pennsylvania Avenue come January...
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Now back to hockey!
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It'd sure explain a lot....
Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
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2/6/2004 Providence 2, BU 0
3/12/2004 Boston College 4, BU 0, Hockey East quarterfinals (game 2)
3/19/2004 Maine 1, BU 0, Hockey East Finals semifinal
From 11/16/1984 (a 6-0 loss to Toronto) through 1/26/1991 (a 4-0 loss at Maine) BU played a record 251 games without being shutout. Since then there have been eights seasons without BU being shutout (3 in the next four seasons after the streak, 2000-01 and four from 2007-12). This season there have been 166 shutouts in 1086 games (15.3% of all games, an average of 2.7 shutouts per team) and last season there were 177 shutouts in 1110 games (15.9% of all games, an average of 3 shutouts per team). I currently don't have numbers for other seasons.
Sean
Since you asked it was back in 2004:
2/6/2004 Providence 2, BU 0
3/12/2004 Boston College 4, BU 0, Hockey East quarterfinals (game 2)
3/19/2004 Maine 1, BU 0, Hockey East Finals semifinal
From 11/16/1984 (a 6-0 loss to Toronto) through 1/26/1991 (a 4-0 loss at Maine) BU played a record 251 games without being shutout. Since then there have been eights seasons without BU being shutout (3 in the next four seasons after the streak, 2000-01 and four from 2007-12). This season there have been 166 shutouts in 1086 games (15.3% of all games, an average of 2.7 shutouts per team) and last season there were 177 shutouts in 1110 games (15.9% of all games, an average of 3 shutouts per team). I currently don't have numbers for other seasons.
Sean
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
I wanted to wait for the emotion to die down before saying anything. So after reflection, what Tom Ryan said last night was 100% correct. To win in the playoffs, you need talent AND experience. BU is long on the former and short on the latter. After Friday night, where the effort was there but they just couldn't win the game, they folded their tents the next night. I know everyone is disappointed, but we need to understand why this happened. At this point in time, Lowell is simply a better team...period. BU does not have the leadership to grind through these situations. Lowell was older and stronger and just beat them up. They were focused, disciplined and opportunistic. They didn't let BU go where they wanted to - skill or no skill. They forced BU to the outside for low percentage wrist shots and didn't let anyone get near the front of the net. It was impressive and near flawless. As Tom said, Lowell right now is a Top 5 program NATIONALLY. A few weeks ago I mentioned that BU seems to have a "motivation" problem. I was wrong in phrasing it as if to place blame. Because it takes maturity to produce on a consistent basis. It is becoming evident that highly-skilled players are not used to losing and sometimes don't know how to respond in difficult situations. Tom feels that along with the highly-skilled recruits coming in next year, he hopes that they also acquire some experienced, older, tougher players that can instill a little bit more toughness. BU has the talent, but not the toughness. Mookie, I know you think DQ should run them into the ground in practice, but that's not going to help. Despite all the TV movies showing Knute Rockne and Herb Brooks giving famous speeches, most motivation has to come from within. We need players that don't HAVE to be driven like slaves to realize their potential. They should have enough pride to do that on their own. If they don't, then they haven't reached the maturity level necessary to win, which is what you get in a program with tons of skill but with nobody staying long enough to acquire experience.
I wanted to wait for the emotion to die down before saying anything. So after reflection, what Tom Ryan said last night was 100% correct. To win in the playoffs, you need talent AND experience. BU is long on the former and short on the latter. After Friday night, where the effort was there but they just couldn't win the game, they folded their tents the next night. I know everyone is disappointed, but we need to understand why this happened. At this point in time, Lowell is simply a better team...period. BU does not have the leadership to grind through these situations. Lowell was older and stronger and just beat them up. They were focused, disciplined and opportunistic. They didn't let BU go where they wanted to - skill or no skill. They forced BU to the outside for low percentage wrist shots and didn't let anyone get near the front of the net. It was impressive and near flawless. As Tom said, Lowell right now is a Top 5 program NATIONALLY. A few weeks ago I mentioned that BU seems to have a "motivation" problem. I was wrong in phrasing it as if to place blame. Because it takes maturity to produce on a consistent basis. It is becoming evident that highly-skilled players are not used to losing and sometimes don't know how to respond in difficult situations. Tom feels that along with the highly-skilled recruits coming in next year, he hopes that they also acquire some experienced, older, tougher players that can instill a little bit more toughness. BU has the talent, but not the toughness. Mookie, I know you think DQ should run them into the ground in practice, but that's not going to help. Despite all the TV movies showing Knute Rockne and Herb Brooks giving famous speeches, most motivation has to come from within. We need players that don't HAVE to be driven like slaves to realize their potential. They should have enough pride to do that on their own. If they don't, then they haven't reached the maturity level necessary to win, which is what you get in a program with tons of skill but with nobody staying long enough to acquire experience.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
No leadership and experience? You're aware that eight skaters and the goalie last night were upperclassmen, right?
No leadership and experience? You're aware that eight skaters and the goalie last night were upperclassmen, right?
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OK...so since you like to point it out every time that you think I'm wrong, then explain to me why a team with so much leadership and experience put up such a heartless performance. Vermont and BC are tied 3-3 as I write this in a life and death series. Vermont has stood toe to toe with a team that they have no business playing with, on the ROAD. So what's your answer, since you obviously know so much more than I?
OK...so since you like to point it out every time that you think I'm wrong, then explain to me why a team with so much leadership and experience put up such a heartless performance. Vermont and BC are tied 3-3 as I write this in a life and death series. Vermont has stood toe to toe with a team that they have no business playing with, on the ROAD. So what's your answer, since you obviously know so much more than I?
brassbonanza
Super Serial
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I don't disagree at all that we played a horrible game last night and Lowell played extremely well, but the point that there isn't experience on the team is wrong.
I don't disagree at all that we played a horrible game last night and Lowell played extremely well, but the point that there isn't experience on the team is wrong.
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You don't get de facto leadership just because you have experience. The experienced people have to SHOW leadership. Sorry, but that team did not play like they wanted it. And if we have to start opening up the can of worms that that is the coach's job, we're in big trouble after just three years...
You don't get de facto leadership just because you have experience. The experienced people have to SHOW leadership. Sorry, but that team did not play like they wanted it. And if we have to start opening up the can of worms that that is the coach's job, we're in big trouble after just three years...
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Why are you comparing BU to UVM? It won't happen, but let's say UVM wins this game in OT. Where are your comments about BC? They're a #1 seed, playing an inferior team at home....two years in a row, mind you, and lost. BU and UML were 4/5. Supposedly on paper pretty even. BU played poorly last night, not denying that, and not denying something was missing out on the ice, but come on.
Why are you comparing BU to UVM? It won't happen, but let's say UVM wins this game in OT. Where are your comments about BC? They're a #1 seed, playing an inferior team at home....two years in a row, mind you, and lost. BU and UML were 4/5. Supposedly on paper pretty even. BU played poorly last night, not denying that, and not denying something was missing out on the ice, but come on.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
Re: Boston University 2015-16 thread part 3 - The Postseason
While this is true, it's applicable to last night's game but not universally to the whole season. There have been numerous other examples this year where there was a display of leadership, including the Harvard comeback, the QU win with half a roster to name a couple.
While this is true, it's applicable to last night's game but not universally to the whole season. There have been numerous other examples this year where there was a display of leadership, including the Harvard comeback, the QU win with half a roster to name a couple.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
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Also, Lowell the team who missed the tournament last year and have made exactly one Frozen Four ever is a top-five program overall in the nation? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Also, Lowell the team who missed the tournament last year and have made exactly one Frozen Four ever is a top-five program overall in the nation? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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OK. Fine. So then I guess some people on here (not saying you) need to just admit that Lowell is better. Because I continue to read these posts that seem to not take them seriously because their program doesn't have the same "pedigree" as ours. I mean, you can't have it both ways. They beat us three out of four games this year. The point of my post was to assert that you need to bring it every night in the playoffs. BU seems to take too many games "off." You can't say they have "part-time" leadership. Either you have it or you don't. You can't say the leadership is great when they win and then "well, they just played lousy" when they lose. They barely squeaked by one of the worst teams I have ever seen (UMass). Then they stink out the joint last night. I don't think you can dispute that we have a lot of top talent. So how do you explain teams with lesser talent advancing further? It's either one or the other, so which is it?
OK. Fine. So then I guess some people on here (not saying you) need to just admit that Lowell is better. Because I continue to read these posts that seem to not take them seriously because their program doesn't have the same "pedigree" as ours. I mean, you can't have it both ways. They beat us three out of four games this year. The point of my post was to assert that you need to bring it every night in the playoffs. BU seems to take too many games "off." You can't say they have "part-time" leadership. Either you have it or you don't. You can't say the leadership is great when they win and then "well, they just played lousy" when they lose. They barely squeaked by one of the worst teams I have ever seen (UMass). Then they stink out the joint last night. I don't think you can dispute that we have a lot of top talent. So how do you explain teams with lesser talent advancing further? It's either one or the other, so which is it?
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Tom said that (and he said "Right now"). They weren't playing in 1940 like we were. You can't do anything about the fact that we have been around longer, so of course we have accumulated a more impressive resume.
Tom said that (and he said "Right now"). They weren't playing in 1940 like we were. You can't do anything about the fact that we have been around longer, so of course we have accumulated a more impressive resume.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
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This year? Probably, yes. As a program? Sorry, not there yet. Bazin has done a remarkable job, and they're trending upwards. But don't forget we swept them last year, as they did to us the year or two before. And prior to 11-12, the program wasn't even close to being the fifth-best in the conference.
This year? Probably, yes. As a program? Sorry, not there yet. Bazin has done a remarkable job, and they're trending upwards. But don't forget we swept them last year, as they did to us the year or two before. And prior to 11-12, the program wasn't even close to being the fifth-best in the conference.
brassbonanza
Super Serial
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Sure, he's commenting that Lowell played a remarkable game last night and we laid a complete egg. That does not mean Lowell is one of the five best programs in the country.
Sure, he's commenting that Lowell played a remarkable game last night and we laid a complete egg. That does not mean Lowell is one of the five best programs in the country.
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Just telling you what he said...
Just telling you what he said...
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I'm not. The point is that they played with heart. This is just something that has bothered me for several years. BU seems to have this "attitude" that they can just skate out there and win. They don't play with the "desperation" that is needed to consistently win in the playoffs. As for BC, I don't have an obsession with them, but since you brought it up, um...who has won more National Championships and been to more Frozen Fours since 2000? We have won twice since 1978. You even said it...if we don't lose to UConn, Vermont or Merrimack (jeez) we don't "have to" beat ND two straight to avoid the Lowell matchup. And if you want to say, well, they were relatively young and had to "adjust" to playing without Eichel, well, then, you're making my original point anyway. Either they aren't motivated or are overconfident, or don't have as much talent as we think. You can't have it both ways. They finished FIFTH in the league and lost six games...I'm just trying to figure out what they have to do to get this talent to jell and realize their potential. I'm not trying to denigrate them. Everyone is so defensive. Jeez...
I'm not. The point is that they played with heart. This is just something that has bothered me for several years. BU seems to have this "attitude" that they can just skate out there and win. They don't play with the "desperation" that is needed to consistently win in the playoffs. As for BC, I don't have an obsession with them, but since you brought it up, um...who has won more National Championships and been to more Frozen Fours since 2000? We have won twice since 1978. You even said it...if we don't lose to UConn, Vermont or Merrimack (jeez) we don't "have to" beat ND two straight to avoid the Lowell matchup. And if you want to say, well, they were relatively young and had to "adjust" to playing without Eichel, well, then, you're making my original point anyway. Either they aren't motivated or are overconfident, or don't have as much talent as we think. You can't have it both ways. They finished FIFTH in the league and lost six games...I'm just trying to figure out what they have to do to get this talent to jell and realize their potential. I'm not trying to denigrate them. Everyone is so defensive. Jeez...
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