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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
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Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
These things are very important to the Freep stories.
'Please contact me if Trivino gave your kid a puck one time!!!'
Great stuff.
Happy New Year everyone.
I was not necessarily surprised with the result in S. Bend but I was shocked to see Jack standing back there watching how his bench was reacting to the last few ND goals. He looked like Umile back there just doing nothing. I would have expected him to be screaming or at least give the Jack Parker cough for the camera but... nothing. What can be read into this? Probably nothing but I found it interesting. Was he watching a game unfold the way he expected it to? I'm sure Coyle wouldn't have helped though!
These things are very important to the Freep stories.
'Please contact me if Trivino gave your kid a puck one time!!!'
Great stuff.
Happy New Year everyone.
I was not necessarily surprised with the result in S. Bend but I was shocked to see Jack standing back there watching how his bench was reacting to the last few ND goals. He looked like Umile back there just doing nothing. I would have expected him to be screaming or at least give the Jack Parker cough for the camera but... nothing. What can be read into this? Probably nothing but I found it interesting. Was he watching a game unfold the way he expected it to? I'm sure Coyle wouldn't have helped though!
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
On the coyle thing...isn't it possible that no matter what resources were available the guy just didn't want to do the work if he instead could be playing hockey all day? Wouldn't be the first college kid to decide that doing something other than studying appealed to them.
Kids who have paid to go to college do it all the time... a guy with no skin in the game, knowing he will never be there long enough to get a degree, missing classes playing in international tournaments and with the opportunity to play hockey vs. study over breaks etc.
We all knew somebody that wasted the opportunity for a degree that had paid a ton of tuition already...and many of us knew somebody who had enough family money that it didn't really matter what they did and we'vre read about plenty of athletes that didn't appreciate how good they had it in college and left/got kicked out. Coyle may have been a mix of those and no amount of parental or athletic department coaxing was going to change him.
That he may have been a good high school student is informative but it's not like all college dropouts were morons...that Gates guy is a good example.
On the coyle thing...isn't it possible that no matter what resources were available the guy just didn't want to do the work if he instead could be playing hockey all day? Wouldn't be the first college kid to decide that doing something other than studying appealed to them.
Kids who have paid to go to college do it all the time... a guy with no skin in the game, knowing he will never be there long enough to get a degree, missing classes playing in international tournaments and with the opportunity to play hockey vs. study over breaks etc.
We all knew somebody that wasted the opportunity for a degree that had paid a ton of tuition already...and many of us knew somebody who had enough family money that it didn't really matter what they did and we'vre read about plenty of athletes that didn't appreciate how good they had it in college and left/got kicked out. Coyle may have been a mix of those and no amount of parental or athletic department coaxing was going to change him.
That he may have been a good high school student is informative but it's not like all college dropouts were morons...that Gates guy is a good example.
DaveStPaul
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Still not to the SteveF level of noting what clothes people wore, but these are students we're talking about, and they're decades behind. Give them a little time.
Still not to the SteveF level of noting what clothes people wore, but these are students we're talking about, and they're decades behind. Give them a little time.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I didn't realize Coyle was BU's version of Tim Tebow! I really need to read the Freep more.
Anyway, if a guy doesn't want to be here, why lament the fact that he left halfway through the year? Aside from bozos like brassbonanza who somehow thought Coyle was going to explode for 30 goals in the second half, its pretty obvious that for whatever reason (his teammates, style of play, coaching, etc) it wasn't working out for him at BU. I don't blame him for leaving if he felt that way. Not sure why you wouldn't show up at your finals to earn the credits but that's his problem.
Regarding Parker, I don't blame him for any of these individual incidents. Trivino has to lay off the sauce and figure out what the word "no" means before he winds up in prison. Coyle clearly believes he has a long and prosperous future playing professional hockey, something I haven't seen any signs of with his time at BU, but again that's his decision and not on the coach. What I will say is that I don't get the sense of community and 'we're all in this together' between the coaches and players. IMHO some of this behavior might be mitigated if the players related better with the coaching staff.
I didn't realize Coyle was BU's version of Tim Tebow! I really need to read the Freep more.
Anyway, if a guy doesn't want to be here, why lament the fact that he left halfway through the year? Aside from bozos like brassbonanza who somehow thought Coyle was going to explode for 30 goals in the second half, its pretty obvious that for whatever reason (his teammates, style of play, coaching, etc) it wasn't working out for him at BU. I don't blame him for leaving if he felt that way. Not sure why you wouldn't show up at your finals to earn the credits but that's his problem.
Regarding Parker, I don't blame him for any of these individual incidents. Trivino has to lay off the sauce and figure out what the word "no" means before he winds up in prison. Coyle clearly believes he has a long and prosperous future playing professional hockey, something I haven't seen any signs of with his time at BU, but again that's his decision and not on the coach. What I will say is that I don't get the sense of community and 'we're all in this together' between the coaches and players. IMHO some of this behavior might be mitigated if the players related better with the coaching staff.
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I can honestly tell you that the LAST word I would use to characterize Coyle's family is wealthy. They are decent, hard-working, blue collar people who value a college education more than most.
I can tell you that going into this thing it was all about getting a great free education. Then came being a 1st round pick, which immediately infers that if one lives up to his potential, one likely will not stay for 4 years.
At this point he is not necessarily in a better place, but more like the best of his remaining options.
No inside direct knowledge here, but I know the family well enough to say that I'm certain a few family members would not be happy with the way things have turned out academically.
I can honestly tell you that the LAST word I would use to characterize Coyle's family is wealthy. They are decent, hard-working, blue collar people who value a college education more than most.
I can tell you that going into this thing it was all about getting a great free education. Then came being a 1st round pick, which immediately infers that if one lives up to his potential, one likely will not stay for 4 years.
At this point he is not necessarily in a better place, but more like the best of his remaining options.
No inside direct knowledge here, but I know the family well enough to say that I'm certain a few family members would not be happy with the way things have turned out academically.
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
As far as I'm aware, these boards aren't a newspaper. They're a forum for opinion. I shared my opinion.
As far as I'm aware, these boards aren't a newspaper. They're a forum for opinion. I shared my opinion.
srsterrier
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reBlur: Why even respond? Don't take the bait. Believe me, the majority here are admirers of yours.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Allow me to repost.....
Allow me to repost.....
Harry Cleverly
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Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Do we need to list the roster of the past seven classes, and go player by player?
Take a poll -
A.) Would you go out to dinner with Jack?
B.) Do you ever call your old coach?
C.) Do you send him a Christmas card?
D.) Been there, done that, past that?
The last seven classes? Why not the last eight? Or nine? Or four?
I think the only person that knows the answer to your question is Jack Parker, himself.
And what he would consider a positive relationship, what the former players might consider a positive relationship, and what you consider a positive relationship might be very different things.
If the players thought he could help them, would they call him and ask for it?
If the answer is yes, does it really matter if they aren't all warm and fuzzy and buddy/buddy with a coach that is old enough to be their grandfather?
I don't get the impression that the players that have stuck around feel negatively about Jack Parker.
Even Brett Bennett said positive things as he was shown the door.
Sure, Glass and the Saponari's may not like him. That would be expected.
I wonder what Corey Trivino would say? My guess is that Parker was fair and honest with him.
You can make a lot of friends in a coaching career. But coaches aren't there to be the players' friends.
Do we need to list the roster of the past seven classes, and go player by player?
Take a poll -
A.) Would you go out to dinner with Jack?
B.) Do you ever call your old coach?
C.) Do you send him a Christmas card?
D.) Been there, done that, past that?
The last seven classes? Why not the last eight? Or nine? Or four?
I think the only person that knows the answer to your question is Jack Parker, himself.
And what he would consider a positive relationship, what the former players might consider a positive relationship, and what you consider a positive relationship might be very different things.
If the players thought he could help them, would they call him and ask for it?
If the answer is yes, does it really matter if they aren't all warm and fuzzy and buddy/buddy with a coach that is old enough to be their grandfather?
I don't get the impression that the players that have stuck around feel negatively about Jack Parker.
Even Brett Bennett said positive things as he was shown the door.
Sure, Glass and the Saponari's may not like him. That would be expected.
I wonder what Corey Trivino would say? My guess is that Parker was fair and honest with him.
You can make a lot of friends in a coaching career. But coaches aren't there to be the players' friends.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
It's greatly appreciated, but I'm done with message boards. Because of the access I have to the team, I thought posters on here might be interested in any information or context that I could share, but that I wouldn't include in an article. Just once, I'd like to be able to share information on here without being accused of being a bad reporter or flirting with the players. I've given up enough of my life (and my money) to cover this team. I'm not about to let some strangers hiding behind computers and anonymous usernames treat me like garbage without defending myself. If you have questions on anything about the team, feel free to email me any time. I don't to be here anymore.
It's greatly appreciated, but I'm done with message boards. Because of the access I have to the team, I thought posters on here might be interested in any information or context that I could share, but that I wouldn't include in an article. Just once, I'd like to be able to share information on here without being accused of being a bad reporter or flirting with the players. I've given up enough of my life (and my money) to cover this team. I'm not about to let some strangers hiding behind computers and anonymous usernames treat me like garbage without defending myself. If you have questions on anything about the team, feel free to email me any time. I don't to be here anymore.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Don't let a BC troll stop you from posting. It is nice to know the personal side to the students, good and bad. When fans follow teams and players, they will mostly talk about them like statistics or not even think of them as people. They are either superstars or just some supporting player in a bigger game. However, it is always a treat to get to know them for more than just numbers and how they play. Especially for college students. Getting to know that they deal with the same problems as regular students and are usually not to different than any one else. I would say every BU fan appreciates the knowledge and a couple other people probably do too. If you took a look at the shiat Nick and SteveF and other BC trolls post, it's a whole lot worse than what they are trolling you about.
Don't let a BC troll stop you from posting. It is nice to know the personal side to the students, good and bad. When fans follow teams and players, they will mostly talk about them like statistics or not even think of them as people. They are either superstars or just some supporting player in a bigger game. However, it is always a treat to get to know them for more than just numbers and how they play. Especially for college students. Getting to know that they deal with the same problems as regular students and are usually not to different than any one else. I would say every BU fan appreciates the knowledge and a couple other people probably do too. If you took a look at the shiat Nick and SteveF and other BC trolls post, it's a whole lot worse than what they are trolling you about.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
Most of us appreciate your perspective, which provides information that we otherwise would not have access to. I can understand your frustration. But just remember, if you "give up" on this forum, you have allowed them to do exactly what they wanted to do. The best option, in my opinion, is to simply ignore them...
Most of us appreciate your perspective, which provides information that we otherwise would not have access to. I can understand your frustration. But just remember, if you "give up" on this forum, you have allowed them to do exactly what they wanted to do. The best option, in my opinion, is to simply ignore them...
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
You're not defending yourself. You're running away.
Look, I don't know you nor do I follow your blog, but you should know by now, no matter what your age, that people are going to criticize your work for no good reason today and for the rest of your career. Not everybody wants to be your friend, and frankly a significant portion of the population are freakin' idiots. You will end up working with some of them. If a co-worker or whatever starts blasting the quality of your writing because they're jealous, didn't like you talking to their boyfriend at the company picnic, etc, are you going to quit your job because of them? I'd hope not. Toughen up and give as good as you get, and you'll be surprised how for that takes you.
You're not defending yourself. You're running away.
Look, I don't know you nor do I follow your blog, but you should know by now, no matter what your age, that people are going to criticize your work for no good reason today and for the rest of your career. Not everybody wants to be your friend, and frankly a significant portion of the population are freakin' idiots. You will end up working with some of them. If a co-worker or whatever starts blasting the quality of your writing because they're jealous, didn't like you talking to their boyfriend at the company picnic, etc, are you going to quit your job because of them? I'd hope not. Toughen up and give as good as you get, and you'll be surprised how for that takes you.
KnightsOfTheRound
Hockey Knight in Boston
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
I don't blame you for feeling this way, but as somebody who enjoys reading your posts I hope you will reconsider.
I don't blame you for feeling this way, but as somebody who enjoys reading your posts I hope you will reconsider.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
don't let the idiots get to you...post or don't post if you choose, but don't do it because 3-4 people with no character or integrity pump up their self-esteem by #winning! on message boards.
don't let the idiots get to you...post or don't post if you choose, but don't do it because 3-4 people with no character or integrity pump up their self-esteem by #winning! on message boards.
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But tebow did bring random girls back to his dorm room; but only to convert them. Coyle is much less concerned with the souls of others. Either that, or his game off the ice was as poorly developed as his game on the ice.
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread: Part III: Now What?
It really IS good advice...
It really IS good advice...
SteveF
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