Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012: Part The Sixth

Aside from what everyone else has countered with, the Beanpot final was only the beginning of the remarkable run BC went on. Had they met in the HE tourney or NCAA tourney, what do you think would have happened? Something similar to the Beanpot final? Or a more comfortable win for BC?

Who knows, of course BC would be favored. But Nicastro was basically useless in the Beanpot game, he shouldn't have been out there with his shoulder injury, he couldn't lift his stick above his waist, and we didn't have Privitera, so the roster that would have squared up in HE or NCAA would more or less have been the same.

If you want to play the if game, (useless but for the offseason) who would you take in a matchup between both teams' full rosters with Trivino/Coyle/Nicastro? Hard to put that beyond a coin flip.

 

[J.D.]

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Which, with respect to this season, is simply not true. We twice skated circles around them on the road, got crushed at home, and without our two top centers and five defensemen, gave them their stiffest competition during their win streak.

The Beanpot final was only win #5 of the streak. At that point, BC still wasn't playing at their highest level.

If you want to play the if game, (useless but for the offseason) who would you take in a matchup between both teams' full rosters with Trivino/Coyle/Nicastro? Hard to put that beyond a coin flip.

A coin flip? I can't agree with that, but then again, we'll never know what BU would have been with those guys. Even with them, it's hard to imagine them playing at a level higher than the one BC finished the season at. You're using BUs wins over BC when BC wasn't nearly the team it became as your argument for why it would be a coin toss. That just doesn't work.

 

[brassbonanza]

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A coin flip? I can't agree with that, but then again, we'll never know what BU would have been with those guys. Even with them, it's hard to imagine them playing at a level higher than the one BC finished the season at. You're using BUs wins over BC when BC wasn't nearly the team it became as your argument for why it would be a coin toss. That just doesn't work.

Of course we'll never know, but a "not playing well" BC team got thumped twice by a full roster BU team who themselves was coming off some pretty bad losses, so it would seem reasonable to conclude that both full rosters playing well would be somewhere around a coin flip.

 

[ericredaxe]

Not sure how I feel about the "accepting anonymous letters and comments" part of this.

New email re: the task force.

TO: All Members of the Boston University Community

FROM: Jonathan Cole and Jean Morrison, Co-Chairs of the Men’s Ice
Hockey Task Force
DATE: April 9, 2012

SUBJECT: Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force – Call for Input


In March, President Brown established the Men’s Ice Hockey Task Force to assess the culture and climate of men's ice hockey at Boston University in the wake of charges of sexual assault against two members of the men’s ice hockey team (http://www.bu.edu/president/letters-writings/letters/2012/3-07/). The work of the Task Force is well under way. Our efforts are currently focused on gathering information and data that will enable us to assess whether the culture and climate of the hockey team are consistent with the values and mission of the University. As a reminder, our efforts are not directed at considering the guilt or innocence of the individuals who have been charged with sexual assault.


Gathering information from the Boston University community is an essential part of our efforts. Thus, we write to invite members of the BU community to provide relevant information, and to describe the ways in which to do so.

There are three different ways in which information may be provided to the Task Force. First, we will be hosting two Task Force Open Forums on campus. These are public meetings for members of the BU community to provide input to Task Force members. Members of the Task Force will be present at the Open Forums to listen to BU community input on issues that are relevant to the climate and culture of men's hockey.

The first Task Force Open Forum will take place on Wednesday, April 11th from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. at Sargent Auditorium, 635 Commonwealth Ave. The second will take place on Monday, April 23rd from 4:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. in the Kenmore Classroom Building, Room 101, at 565 Commonwealth Ave. These sessions will be moderated by Dean of Students Kenneth Elmore and will employ clearly defined guidelines for participation.

Second, we have established a Task Force website which has a portal to receive written comments: http://www.bu.edu/hockey-task-force/. Members of the BU community are welcome to offer comments, either anonymously or by identifying themselves. Further guidelines for submitting comments are provided on the web site.

Third, members of the community are welcome to write letters, either anonymously or by identifying themselves, and send them to the Task Force in the care of the two chairs (Jean Morrison and Jonathan Cole) at Office of the Provost, Boston University, One Silber Way, Eighth Floor, Boston, MA 02215.

Please note that input provided with attribution will be more useful than unattributed information. For example, because the Task Force may wish to explore a particular matter in more detail, we may seek additional information from individuals who have provided attributed input.

Every reasonable effort will be made to protect the privacy and confidentiality of those who submit comments or letters, and of other individuals who may be identified in such communications to the Task Force. Because any apparent violation of law and/or Boston University policy that may come to light must be addressed, complete confidentiality may not be possible.

The deadline for providing information either via the web portal or directly in writing is 5:00 p.m. Friday, May 15, 2012.

We look forward to hearing from members of our community.

 

[J.D.]

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Of course we'll never know, but a "not playing well" BC team got thumped twice by a full roster BU team who themselves was coming off some pretty bad losses, so it would seem reasonable to conclude that both full rosters playing well would be somewhere around a coin flip.

Not just playing "well". You'd have to think a full strength BU team could reach/play at the level BC reached/played at during the entire 19 game winning streak.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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If you want to play the if game, (useless but for the offseason) who would you take in a matchup between both teams' full rosters with Trivino/Coyle/Nicastro? Hard to put that beyond a coin flip.

Coin flip? BC vs. anyone in March and April is rarely a coin flip.

 

[Rover]

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Which, with respect to this season, is simply not true. We twice skated circles around them on the road, got crushed at home, and without our two top centers and five defensemen, gave them their stiffest competition during their win streak. Of course, that still doesn't get you anything in the grand scheme, but with respect to the quoted argument, it proves does prove it to be false.

You're really out in left field on this one. No, I don't think for a minute we would have beaten them in HE tourney or in the NCAA's the way they were playing. In case you haven't been paying attention in 14 out of the last 15 years, BU isn't exactly a tournament team. They've been more of a no-show team come tournament time. Sick of the excuses. The team just wasn't as good, with or without the sexual assault squad or Coyle. If winning earlier in the season mattered by your logic, BC shouldn't have been able to get by Maine in the HE championship.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Which, with respect to this season, is simply not true. We twice skated circles around them on the road, got crushed at home, and without our two top centers and five defensemen, gave them their stiffest competition during their win streak. Of course, that still doesn't get you anything in the grand scheme, but with respect to the quoted argument, it proves does prove it to be false.

Ah... I hate to break it to you, but BU didn't skate circles around BC twice at Conte. BC dominated that 2nd game. SOG 45-15 (not always a good indicator but here it was).

The Eagles statistically dominated the game in every facet except the scoreboard. BC outshot BU, 45-15, had 11 attempts on the power play, and dominated overall time of possession. In fact, the biggest statistical anomaly was the fact that the BU had more penalties (17) than shots (15).

Still it was the Terriers who were incredibly opportunistic.


The middle frame was worse for the Eagles. They held a massively lopsided 23-1 advantage in shots, but allowed the Terriers to score on their only opportunity, a Garrett Noonan wrister through traffic at 13:21 for a 3-0 lead advantage.

Maybe you had a tough time seeing the game with your head up Jack Parker's butt?

edit - epic comment from someone at the bottom of that game recap 4 months ago (WCHA #1 ahahahahahahahhahaha)

 

[Scarlet]

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Not sure how I feel about the "accepting anonymous letters and comments" part of this.

Which is why I shake my head that it was posted on this thread in the first place. While a large email distribution, I believe it was probably not intended to be copied and pasted on a message board. But that could just be me.

Soooo.....Cornell is playing Michigan at Madison Square Garden this Thanksgiving. Interesting.

 

[brassbonanza]

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Which is why I shake my head that it was posted on this thread in the first place. While a large email distribution, I believe it was probably not intended to be copied and pasted on a message board. But that could just be me.

Soooo.....Cornell is playing Michigan at Madison Square Garden this Thanksgiving. Interesting.

At least they note that anonymous letters make it more difficult for them to consider it seriously.

 

[Agganis]

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Soooo.....Cornell is playing Michigan at Madison Square Garden this Thanksgiving. Interesting.

Do you know the BU v DU date yet, and/or what day of the week it is? (please say Saturday, please say Saturday)

 

[J.D.]

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I don't see a problem in relaying that information to a message board, specifically to a BU thread. There are probably BU fans who didn't get the e-mail and are happy that it was posted for them to read. And for the record, I don't have any thoughts on the actual content...I'll leave that to you guys.

As for the other stuff, the single biggest reason you can't look back at those BU wins is Parker Milner. Night and day.

 

[Scarlet]

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Do you know the BU v DU date yet, and/or what day of the week it is? (please say Saturday, please say Saturday)

First I heard about Denver was the other day when mookie texted that he saw it here. I'll find out tonight and let you know.

 

[brassbonanza]

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Do you know the BU v DU date yet, and/or what day of the week it is? (please say Saturday, please say Saturday)

Might it be 10/20? Lowell is playing at CC that night, for one game. I can't imagine they'd go out west to play one game, and CC is playing Air Force the night before, meaning the other option would be Lowell@DU on Friday. That's just speculation on my part.

 

[Agganis]

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First I heard about Denver was the other day when mookie texted that he saw it here. I'll find out tonight and let you know.

Awesome, I'll give you my email if you need it. Also hearing from a lot of people that the date you had been told for BU at UND is actually incorrect.

 

[KnightsOfTheRound]

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Which is why I shake my head that it was posted on this thread in the first place. While a large email distribution, I believe it was probably not intended to be copied and pasted on a message board. But that could just be me.

The letter was addressed to "All members of the Boston University Community." I posted it here in the hopes that maybe some members of that community not on the email distribution lists might have a chance to see it. For the record, all of the previous emails have been posted to the BU website (this one hasn't yet, but that's probably because it was just sent an hour ago).

 

[Rover]

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Given the subject matter that's being investigated, I think anonymous letters are appropriate. While you would hate to get false accusations, I really don't see a big risk of that happening. Its not like we're dealing with celebrities or politicians here. Nicastro and Trivino are nobodies with zero chance at a pro career. There's no book deal and a large settlement coming anybody's way if they report an alleged incident.

I also like the call for relevant info, not "Fidel cut in front in the beer line at Ts Pub".

 

[wtbu60]

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BU's Down Cycle - They're Still Not That Bad

SIAP, but noticed that with their one Frozen Four appearance in the past 15 season, this appears to be BU’s longest stretch since 1950 of having so few Frozen Four appearances. In each of the 15-season periods from 1983 to 1997 and from 1969 to 1983, they were in seven Frozen Fours. From 1955-1969, they were in three Frozen Fours. From 1948 (when the NCAA hockey tournament started) to 1954, they were in three Frozen Fours.

Yet while BU has experienced 15 years in a down cycle for NCAA hockey (7-8 in NCAA Tournament games, compared to BC’s record of 32-9 in NCAA Tournament games and ten Frozen Fours during those 15 seasons), they’ve still been considered among the top 20 teams in the country in many of those years. Incredibly, at one point during this past season, they were the top ranked team in the country.

Although not among the elite teams in NCAA Division One during the past fifteen seasons (BC, Maine and UNH in the East; Minnesota, Denver, Michigan, Michigan State and North Dakota in the West), they’ve been somewhat competitive with the elite teams during that 15-year stretch and they did have their one miracle season in 2008-09. It’s just that ten Beanpot championships in the past 15 seasons are meaningless when compared to BC’s overall record during those same 15 seasons.

An interesting fact shows how lucky BU was with their last NCAA championship team. Six members of that team are playing in the NHL this year: Nick Bonino, Matt Gilroy, Kevin Shattenkirk, Brian Strait, Colin Wilson and Brandon Yip. If Gilroy and Wilson (two members of the 2009 Hobey Hat Trick) had turned pro before that season, as some suspected they would, BU might be working on a 15-year stretch with no Frozen Fours. Do any players on BU’s current roster have reasonable prospects of ever playing in the NHL? Maybe Agganis Arena didn’t turn out to be much of a recruiting advantage for BU after all.

 

[ericredaxe]

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Do you know the BU v DU date yet, and/or what day of the week it is? (please say Saturday, please say Saturday)

So right now for OOC next season we have:

@ Denver
@ UND (x 2)
RPI
Beanpot x 2

Does that sound about right so far?

Gives us 2 OOC TBD? I'm guessing Harvard will be one?

 

[ericredaxe]

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Nicastro and Trivino are nobodies with zero chance at a pro career.

Don't forget though they are not investigating Nicastro and Trivino... they are looking at the overall culture of the team.

I think that by accepting anyoymous input they are opening themselves up to potentially less credible information....