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Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

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Carmine Scarpaglia said:
I think Shattenkirk obviously was talking about just being able to put hockey on hold to finish exams and spend time with family over the Holidays.

I don't think it's very obvious what CC was saying but to me he was having a fanboy moment. I DO think it's obvious and very very I'm comfortable saying this, that over time reading this board, the fanboys think these guys live and die with BU hockey (just as they do) and it is a travesty of the highest order if they are not scoring goals and winning games so they can slobber all over each other from their seats, jump up and down, and give each other man-hugs and kisses on their facepainted, glittery little cheeks while screaming things like "SHATTY!!!!!!" and "HIGGY I HEART YOU!". Let's face it. While they are hockey players all hoping to go professionally, they have a lot going on. Handling the classes, girlfriends, and hockey (practice, games, some travel, lifting and other conditioning) isn't that easy and obviously they are looking to balance these things and as a result, hockey isn't always the only thing and biggest thing going on. And knowing that CC is one of the bigger fanboys around, I don't think it was a stretch to read that and think he was having a fanboy moment where his frustrations got the best of him and he thinks Shatty and all of the other guys on the team (I don't know all of their pet names) should be spending every minute of their break to figure their problems out (because obviously they owe it to the fansies).

Now, saying that, my opinion on the subject is this. These guys need to have amnesia. Just as people say to put their rings away so it doesn't get them too cocky, they need to forget about the losses and simply come back with a blank slate looking to play as best as they can individually. It's Jack's job to get them to play as well as they should be as a team. That is as simple as it gets.
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Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

Carmine Scarpaglia said:
I think Shattenkirk obviously was talking about just being able to put hockey on hold to finish exams and spend time with family over the Holidays.

I don't think it's very obvious what CC was saying but to me he was having a fanboy moment. I DO think it's obvious and very very I'm comfortable saying this, that over time reading this board, the fanboys think these guys live and die with BU hockey (just as they do) and it is a travesty of the highest order if they are not scoring goals and winning games so they can slobber...

Now, saying that, my opinion on the subject is this. These guys need to have amnesia. Just as people say to put their rings away so it doesn't get them too cocky, they need to forget about the losses and simply come back with a blank slate looking to play as best as they can individually. It's Jack's job to get them to play as well as they should be as a team. That is as simple as it gets.
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College students let alone NCAA athletes have a lot to juggle in their lives, I'm quite aware of that, and wasn't implying anything of the sort you're reaching quite a bit to extract. In fact, my comment was more general to the whole team as a result of what Shattenkirk said, relating to the first part of my post. The losses aren't painful enough, it's not forcing the players to correct their mistakes and give more consistent effort, plain as day. Forgetting about the season completely wouldn't necessarily give them a blank slate, it would just make them dread coming back to the situation they've played themselves into after a long break of exams and family time and cookies or whatever.

Besides, he did actually say, "I think we need to just cool off and think about things over the break from a coaching standpoint and from our standpoint as players" as well. Let's see where their heads are at in a month.
 
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TommyNoblesIsLife said:
But who on this team do you seriously think is NHL-ready at this point? It's stupid to leave BU just to play in the AHL. Sure, you make money, but the resources at BU in terms of strength and conditioning as well as the ability to get a degree should an injury end your career is invaluable.
Shatty hasn't been nearly as good this season and would no doubt be playing for either Lake Erie or the ECHL. Colby isn't going anywhere. Bonino could possibly play in the AHL right now, but he's coming off an injury, isn't performing as well as he can, and doesn't seem the type to abandon his duties as an assistant captain on the team. Gryba is here until he gets his degree. Saponari and Trivino aren't even close to being NHL-ready.

I expect the entire team back after break. The question is, are they going to be ready to finally get their acts together?
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I wouldn't knock any of the bolded/colored points above when talking about these kids preparing to leave early.

Even a small $$ incentive might be motivation to jump up to the next level at this point. It's clear that the team isn't having a good season, there's no compensation for putting it all out there, you might as well jump up and get paid.

While I know Boyle has a stellar reputation across the US for strength and conditioning, I'm sure that there are plenty of coaches at the AHL or ECHL level that can do an adequate job in preparing anyone ready to jump. Will it be as specialized as it would be if they stayed here at BU? Unlikely, but I don't think strength and conditioning is going to make or break someone's decision.

As to the degree part, I certainly don't think that's a big factor for most of these guys. While I'm sure some are interested in school, I would wager that most came here to play hockey and since it appears that they're not doing that, why stay? Also, there's always time to finish their degree during either a) the offseason, b) when they retire/get injured/etc. or c) online.

Terrierbyassociation said:
She's a nice lady, but there is a player mom that is really good looking and she's not it.
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Sean Sullivan's mom on the other hand... :D Though, I suppose she's not the one you're referring to...
 
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bostonewe said:
Even a small $$ incentive might be motivation to jump up to the next level at this point. It's clear that the team isn't having a good season, there's no compensation for putting it all out there, you might as well jump up and get paid.
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Not a bad point. Consider guys that are struggling in college are "losing" money as they keep going further along with bad performance. Changes sometimes help (Jimmy Hayes) no matter what. Add in the fact they are grabbing at money that is still there before it's gone to stop the bleeding and you have plenty incentive to leave and get on with the next step these guys are all concerned about.
 
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Carmine Scarpaglia said:
Now, saying that, my opinion on the subject is this. These guys need to have amnesia. Just as people say to put their rings away so it doesn't get them too cocky, they need to forget about the losses and simply come back with a blank slate looking to play as best as they can individually. It's Jack's job to get them to play as well as they should be as a team. That is as simple as it gets.
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remember when pitt was losing to west virigina (circa 2005) at halftime and espn asked dave wannstedt what adjustments he had to make... and his response was 'we just gotta run faster. simple as that'

thats what this reminds me of.
 
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SteveF said:
remember when pitt was losing to west virigina (circa 2005) at halftime and espn asked dave wannstedt what adjustments he had to make... and his response was 'we just gotta run faster. simple as that'

thats what this reminds me of.
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Great analogy.

Hey - where has Ryan Santana been?
 
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Scarlet said:
Hey - where has Ryan Santana been?
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I've been somewhat surprised he hasn't been in the mix for 4th line playing time in recent games, esp. given that he looked pretty impressive for the role he's asked to play on this team. He started off the season as the 4th line center (his natural position) when Gaudet was recovering from his shoulder injury, and continued in that role when Bonino got hurt. When Bonino returned, Santana was was moved to RW for a couple of games when Gilroy was benched.

I think Santana got bumped down the depth chart when Gilroy returned and played well for a couple of games, and with how well Gaudet's playing on the 4th line. I like Santana's work ethic and hockey sense, but the biggest limitation to his game right now is his weak skating - slow, choppy stride. He really needs to improve his skating, especially given that I think this year's BU team looks slower as a whole.
 
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Scarlet said:
Hey - where has Ryan Santana been?
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I think he's on tour and getting ready for the next Woodstock.

Speaking of going on tour, "Lee" Trivino isn't looking so hot, huh? I know it was a joke at the time, but maybe he IS a better at golf than hockey!
 
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collegefan06 said:
Steve outed me....of course he failed to mention I'm his daughter too!:D
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If you were under the age of 18, I would suggest you emancipate yourself ASAP.

But since you're probably older than 18, I still feel terrible for you...
 
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Carmine Scarpaglia said:
Speaking of going on tour, "Lee" Trivino isn't looking so hot, huh? I know it was a joke at the time, but maybe he IS a better at golf than hockey!
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He might be the biggest bust to come out of Canada since Pam Anderson.
 
Re: Boston University 2009-2010 Season Thread II: Still got a pulse, time for CPR

I'm going to interrupt the hot hockey mom/Parker sucks/BC Fans Dancing on our Grave talk with some alumni news:

Gilroy to Hartford

BU Hockey: Even our Alumni are Having a ****ty Month
 
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bostonewe said:
I wouldn't knock any of the bolded/colored points above when talking about these kids preparing to leave early.

Even a small $$ incentive might be motivation to jump up to the next level at this point. It's clear that the team isn't having a good season, there's no compensation for putting it all out there, you might as well jump up and get paid.

While I know Boyle has a stellar reputation across the US for strength and conditioning, I'm sure that there are plenty of coaches at the AHL or ECHL level that can do an adequate job in preparing anyone ready to jump. Will it be as specialized as it would be if they stayed here at BU? Unlikely, but I don't think strength and conditioning is going to make or break someone's decision.

As to the degree part, I certainly don't think that's a big factor for most of these guys. While I'm sure some are interested in school, I would wager that most came here to play hockey and since it appears that they're not doing that, why stay? Also, there's always time to finish their degree during either a) the offseason, b) when they retire/get injured/etc. or c) online.
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I would agree with you if we had a Matt Gilroy, Colin Wilson, Rick DiPietro, Tony Amonte level of player on this team, but we don't. I don't think any of the guys on the team this year are NHL-ready. I know players have left for the AHL (hi Brian Strait), but look at how well that's working out for people like Brad Thiessen, or even Strait himself. Sure, they're playing and making money, but why start real life before you have to if you aren't going to be immediately successful? Obviously, this is way more complicated from a players' point of view, but in my opinion it is rarely a good idea to leave college. Since I've been watching college hockey, there have been maybe 20 players overall from BU that have actually made it in the NHL. Just because the team is struggling now doesn't mean it's time to quit in order to languish in the AHL.
 
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Good lord bomber!! Is that what you're bring to the table these. Days?!? :p
 
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TommyNoblesIsLife said:
I would agree with you if we had a Matt Gilroy, Colin Wilson, Rick DiPietro, Tony Amonte level of player on this team, but we don't. I don't think any of the guys on the team this year are NHL-ready. I know players have left for the AHL (hi Brian Strait), but look at how well that's working out for people like Brad Thiessen, or even Strait himself. Sure, they're playing and making money, but why start real life before you have to if you aren't going to be immediately successful? Obviously, this is way more complicated from a players' point of view, but in my opinion it is rarely a good idea to leave college. Since I've been watching college hockey, there have been maybe 20 players overall from BU that have actually made it in the NHL. Just because the team is struggling now doesn't mean it's time to quit in order to languish in the AHL.
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I am also of this mindset, as is Parker judging from his comments over the years. I don't see any reason to leave college unless you're going straight to the NHL, or at the very least, you have a legit chance of getting to the NHL in the near future. Wilson had that chance, so you can't blame him, just like no one could've blamed Gilroy had he left after his junior year. Strait did not have that chance, which is why I think everyone, including Parker, had the right to be upset with his decision. The only players on this team now who might have that chance after this season, in my opinion, are Bonino and Shattenkirk, but even that depends on what they do in the second half. As for the idea that anyone might leave over break, I'd be absolutely shocked. 1) I don't think anyone, even Bonino or Shattenkirk, would sniff the NHL this year. 2) No one on this team strikes me as a quitter. They may not be as focused or determined as they should be, but I haven't seen any signs of anyone throwing in the towel.
 
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