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Boston College Hockey '13-'14: Tournament Season - One Game At A Time!

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Agganis said:
I sure as hell don't want my school to. Yes it's fun to watch my team win, but not at the expense of screwing over an 18 year old who an adult made a promise to that he decided he didn't want to keep.
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Agganis, we are in partial agreement, partial disagreement. I do think it would be wrong to cut someone and yank their scholarship. I disagree with you that an honest assessment of how much playing time a kid is likely to get is "equivalent to a cut," if a player is pursuing his best interests in going elsewhere. I can't recall very many programs with the same number of players as they have roster spots. A scholarship is NOT a promise of playing time. It IS a promise of (x) years of education paid for, and yanking that involuntarily would be wrong imho.

Other than Colin Sullivan and Richardson,who else has transferred out Pf BC recently due to playing time? I know Vatrano and Tiefenwerth never really got started here but those were not this kind of situation, and Kenny Ryan left to go play major juniors after playing in an exhibition game. Other than that...?
 
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Agganis said:
If a coach says "you'll have to earn your playing time, I won't give it to you" I don't think most players would look elsewhere unless they don't believe they actually have a fair shot.

If a coach says "you're not going to play next year but I won't cut you so you may as well look elsewhere" I'd count that as a cut in my mind.
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well i don't think any coach would flat out say "you're not going to play next year". for the other point, it's probably somewhere in between on whether or not a kid would look elsewhere. really depends on the kid/family, etc. each situation would be different.

Agganis said:
The difference is when a NCAA D1 player gets cut they are for some reason also banned from playing the following season at any other D1 school. Colin Sullivan wasn't allowed to play at any D1 school after he play 32 games for BC the year prior.

Once college treats cuts the same way they are treated at the pros (free agency) then I may agree with you. Until then the two are completely incomparable.
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ok so you have a larger gripe with the NCAA. i can certainly agree with that. at the same time, being cut doesn't have to be a crippling blow. sullivan has hooked on elsewhere i believe, correct? i know recently former BC recruit piazza hooked on with michigan. these kids still have opportunities to pursue their hockey dreams if they choose to do so.
 
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Agganis said:
I sure as hell don't want my school to. Yes it's fun to watch my team win, but not at the expense of screwing over an 18 year old who an adult made a promise to that he decided he didn't want to keep.
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you didn't answer the question
 
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J.D. said:
ok so you have a larger gripe with the NCAA. i can certainly agree with that. at the same time, being cut doesn't have to be a crippling blow. sullivan has hooked on elsewhere i believe, correct? i know recently former BC recruit piazza hooked on with michigan. these kids still have opportunities to pursue their hockey dreams if they choose to do so.
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Yes, my issue is with the NCAA, but the schools run the NCAA, so the schools made the rules and then their employees cut players which forces them to sit out a year. I did not say it was a crippling blow, it is; however, completely and utterly unfair to the young man, I hope we are at least in agreement on that.
 
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and with that being said i can't even remember if picking up milano caused BC to have to cut someone
 
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joegrav said:
Agganis, we are in partial agreement, partial disagreement. I do think it would be wrong to cut someone and yank their scholarship. I disagree with you that an honest assessment of how much playing time a kid is likely to get is "equivalent to a cut," if a player is pursuing his best interests in going elsewhere. I can't recall very many programs with the same number of players as they have roster spots. A scholarship is NOT a promise of playing time. It IS a promise of (x) years of education paid for, and yanking that involuntarily would be wrong imho.

Other than Colin Sullivan and Richardson,who else has transferred out Pf BC recently due to playing time? I know Vatrano and Tiefenwerth never really got started here but those were not this kind of situation, and Kenny Ryan left to go play major juniors after playing in an exhibition game. Other than that...?
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Going back to some of the more stacked years... 04-05 timeframe you might be able to add a Todd Perry or Adam Pineault bouncing to MJs. Lyles. Lovejoy had PT issues and has done well. He's about the only one. At least those were hellaciously good lineups. These more recent ones are troubling because let's be honest, there's tons of talent here but also huge holes in the lineup and there are good opportunities to get on the ice.

Nope, I'm still not over some of these roster moves and lineup decisions in the last 2 years. It is what it is.

ps - worth noting that it's really tough to come up with guys that couldn't cut it here that went on to do well in hockey after Lovejoy. Or guys that never showed up (Brandon Maxwell, Brandon Shea - two complete disasters) at all.
 
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Agganis said:
Yes, my issue is with the NCAA, but the schools run the NCAA, so the schools made the rules and then their employees cut players which forces them to sit out a year. I did not say it was a crippling blow, it is; however, completely and utterly unfair to the young man, I hope we are at least in agreement on that.
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well i really have no idea who supported the rule/who is still in favor of it. yes, it can be "unfair" but i'd be more concerned if we were finding that kids lives were being ruined by this. life isn't fair unfortunately. in the end, like you, i ultimately want things to work out for all of these kids.
 
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Drew S. said:
Maybe not, but picking up McCoshen definitely caused Sullivan to be cut...
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That's not true at all. Sullivan wasn't cut until the season had technically started. I forget when exactly, after "training camp" if you will.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
These more recent ones are troubling because let's be honest, there's tons of talent here but also huge holes in the lineup and there are good opportunities to get on the ice.

Nope, I'm still not over some of these roster moves and lineup decisions in the last 2 years. It is what it is.

ps - worth noting that it's really tough to come up with guys that couldn't cut it here that went on to do well in hockey after Lovejoy. Or guys that never showed up (Brandon Maxwell, Brandon Shea - two complete disasters) at all.
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Neither am I. Richardson was going to be the Doherty of this past season where we stomp and wonder why the F he isn't in every night.

Whatever happened to Shea after he hated Canada?
 
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joegrav said:
Agganis, we are in partial agreement, partial disagreement. I do think it would be wrong to cut someone and yank their scholarship. I disagree with you that an honest assessment of how much playing time a kid is likely to get is "equivalent to a cut," if a player is pursuing his best interests in going elsewhere. I can't recall very many programs with the same number of players as they have roster spots. A scholarship is NOT a promise of playing time. It IS a promise of (x) years of education paid for, and yanking that involuntarily would be wrong imho.
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I can respect that opinion, there is a gray area there, I think we just fall in slightly different ranges of that spectrum, I worry a coach may be too willing to write off a kid who he convinced to attend is school as it is the safer play for him.

J.D. said:
you didn't answer the question
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No, I don't think schools "go after someone like milano if you can and worry about the rest down the line" if they did we would see substantially more cuts, and situations like Gaudreau's decommitment from NU would go much differently, I'm sure he was better than numerous forwards on every roster when he was back on the market, yet no one cut a player to get him.

J.D. said:
well i really have no idea who supported the rule/who is still in favor of it. yes, it can be "unfair" but i'd be more concerned if we were finding that kids lives were being ruined by this. life isn't fair unfortunately. in the end, like you, i ultimately want things to work out for all of these kids.
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Well one of the first things I look for in a college hockey coach is someone who is fair to the kids he recruits and coaches. I am not slamming BC with this string of posts, if you happen to not prioritize it like I do so be it.
 
joegrav said:
Other than Colin Sullivan and Richardson,who else has transferred out Pf BC recently due to playing time? I know Vatrano and Tiefenwerth never really got started here but those were not this kind of situation, and Kenny Ryan left to go play major juniors after playing in an exhibition game. Other than that...?
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Did Motherwell leave due to playing time?!?!?
 
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claver2010 said:
Whatever happened to Shea after he hated Canada?
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God only knows... I've said it before and I'll say it again. York should have a poster of Shea on his wall when the recruits come in to talk to him. Put it right next to a picture of a senior that got his diploma on graduation day. Discussion over. Every college coach should have something like that. Not to demean the kid, but to put into perspective how foolish it is to throw a great option into the trashbin when you're 15 and have the other option chew you up and spit you out.
 
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Jerry is an a-hole! *raises torch*

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i have seen this argument before and it's something i would like to see eventually happen. i want there to be a way for a kid to play college hockey even if he already played major junior. there has to be some kind of structure/plan they can come up with to make this happen. if it doesn't work out for the kid up there, don't shut them out entirely from pursuing college hockey.
 
joegrav said:
If "facing competition for playing time" means "being run off" then lots of people in competitive sports are run off. Given that The Boston College Hockey Blog ("the kid") is the only blogger who has reported on Richardson's departure (BCI wrote a story about it, but there was no reporting involved), I'm guessing that you know the same amount that I know about why Richardson is leaving. i.e., zero..
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So y'all just "cut & paste" like with the pix and videos w/o attribution :D
 
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