Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

[Almington]

Re: Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

Incorrect. A program receives exemptions for the games they play in Alaska (against Alaska teams) regardless of conference affiliation.

No I'm not. If they are not in your conference you could just not go up to UAA to play and still have the same number of home game. All the exemption does is make you go up to AK so that you can play in 2 more games against the AK teams.

I have no problem being told I'm wrong, it happens all the time. I just expect that someone will just actual information to prove I am wrong.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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I believe his statement was made when he blew up East Lansing.

Still waiting for a reaction from the Nanook and his F18

And that was BEFORE we left the conference.

 

[uaafanblog]

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No I'm not. If they are not in your conference you could just not go up to UAA to play and still have the same number of home game. All the exemption does is make you go up to AK so that you can play in 2 more games against the AK teams.

I have no problem being told I'm wrong, it happens all the time. I just expect that someone will just actual information to prove I am wrong.

LOLWHUT?

All programs are limited to 34 regular season games. If in year X you go to Alaska and play 2 games against an Alaskan team then in year X + 1 (or later as you are allowed to stockpile/defer the exemptions) you can play 36 games. That's 2 more additional home games a program can schedule in their own rink. It has nothing to do with conference versus non-conference play. You play in Alaska against Alaskan teams and you receive schedule exemptions. End of story.

 

[blockski]

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No I'm not. If they are not in your conference you could just not go up to UAA to play and still have the same number of home game. All the exemption does is make you go up to AK so that you can play in 2 more games against the AK teams.

I have no problem being told I'm wrong, it happens all the time. I just expect that someone will just actual information to prove I am wrong.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong on this, Almington. The travel exemption applies to all NCAA schools visiting a school in either Alaska or Hawaii. Those games do not count against the season limit.

If you're not in a conference with that team, I believe you can only take advantage of that rule every few years or so, but that's the reason that schools schedule non-conference football games against Hawaii - it's a free game, more or less.

Here's the particular bylaw for Football:

http://www.fbschedules.com/2010/05/the-hawaii-exemption/

17.28.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest
Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.9.5.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association.

17.9.5.2 Annual Exemptions. [FBS/FCS]
The maximum number of football contests shall exclude the following:

(k) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. [FBS/FCS]
Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico,respectively, either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the area in question.

Or, you can check page 250 of this whopper of a document:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D109.pdf

17.14.5 N umber of Contests.
17.14.5.1 Maximum Limitations—Institutional. A member institution shall limit its total playing
schedule with outside competition during the institution’s ice hockey playing season to 34 contests (games or
scrimmages), except for those contests excluded under Bylaws 17.14.5.3 and 17.14.5.4. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective
8/1/91, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
17.14.5.1.1 In-Season Foreign Competition. A member institution may play one or more of its
countable contests in ice hockey in one or more foreign countries on one trip during the prescribed playing
season. However, except for contests played in Canada and Mexico or on a certified foreign tour (see Bylaw
17.32), the institution may not engage in such in-season foreign competition more than once every four
years.
17.14.5.2 Maximum Limitations—Student-Athlete. An individual student-athlete may participate in
each academic year in 34 contests (this limitation includes those contests in which the student represents the
institution in accordance with Bylaw 17.02.8, including competition as a member of the varsity, junior varsity
or freshman team of the institution). (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)
17.14.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The maximum number of ice hockey contests shall exclude the following:
(Revised: 2/24/03)
(a) Conference Championship. Competition in one conference championship tournament in ice hockey
(or the tournament used to determine the conference’s automatic entry in an NCAA ice hockey championship);
(b) Conference Playoff. Competition involving member institutions that tie for a conference championship.
Such teams may participate in a single-elimination playoff to determine the conference’s automatic
entry in an NCAA ice hockey championship without the game(s) being counted as a postseason tournament;
(c) NCAA Championships. Competition in the NCAA Division I Men’s and Women’s Ice Hockey Championship;
(Revised: 11/22/04)
(d) NCAA Championship Play-In Competition. Competition in play-in contests conducted before
NCAA championships;
(e) Alumni Game. One ice hockey contest each year against an alumni team of the institution;
(f ) Foreign Team in U.S. One ice hockey contest each year with a foreign opponent in the United States;
(g) Hall of Fame Game. The one ice hockey game between two Division I intercollegiate teams at the U.S.
Hockey Hall of Fame;
(h) U.S. Olympic Team. One ice hockey contest each year against the U.S. Olympic ice hockey team during
that team’s training for participation in the Winter Olympics; (Adopted: 1/16/93)
(i) Hawaii or Alaska. Any games played in Hawaii or Alaska, respectively, against an active Division I
member institution located in Hawaii or Alaska, by a member located outside the area in question; (Adopted:
1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
(j) Fundraising Activity. Any ice hockey activities in which student-athletes from more than one of the
institution’s athletics teams participate with and against alumni and friends of the institution, the purpose
of which is to raise funds for the benefit of the institution’s athletics or other programs, provided the
student-athletes do not miss classes as a result of their participation (see Bylaw 12.5.1.1);
(k) Celebrity Sports Activity. Competition involving a limit of two student-athletes from a member institution’s
ice hockey team who participate in local celebrity ice hockey activities conducted for the purpose
of raising funds for charitable organizations, provided:
(1) The student-athletes do not miss classes as a result of the participation;
(2) The involvement of the student-athletes has the approval of the institution’s athletics director; and
(3) The activity takes place within a 30-mile radius of the institution’s main campus.
(l) U.S. National Team. One game played against any team as selected and designated by the appropriate
national governing body for ice hockey as a U.S. national team (e.g., “Under-21” U.S. national team);
and (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96; Revised 9/6/00)
(m) Hockey Commissioners Association/Ice Breaker Tournament. Competition in the Ice Breaker
Tournament sponsored by the Hockey Commissioners Association. (Adopted: 1/14/08)
17.14.5.4 Once-in-Four-Years Exemption—Foreign Tour. An institution may exempt the contests
played on a foreign tour, provided the tour is conducted by the member institution in accordance with the
procedures set forth in Bylaw 30.7 (see Bylaw 17.32). (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, Revised: 4/26/07 effective
8/1/07)

Nothing about conference affiliation.

 

[Frank the Tank]

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LOLWHUT?

All programs are limited to 34 regular season games. If in year X you go to Alaska and play 2 games against an Alaskan team then in year X + 1 (or later as you are allowed to stockpile/defer the exemptions) you can play 36 games. That's 2 more additional home games a program can schedule in their own rink. It has nothing to do with conference versus non-conference play. You play in Alaska against Alaskan teams and you receive schedule exemptions. End of story.

Yes, this is consistent with NCAA rules in other sports for traveling to Hawaii and Alaska. In football, any school that travels to Hawaii is allowed to schedule 13 games for that season (instead of the usual 12). Basketball has a similar exemption. Whether or not you're in the same conference as the school in Hawaii or Alaska is irrelevant - if you travel there, you get the exemption.

 

[uaafanblog]

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Nothing about conference affiliation.

And I don't believe there is any limitation about frequency either or total number of exemptions a program can theoretically stockpile as it applies to hockey (have no idea about Bball or Fball)(though I'm sure if someone creatively abused the exemptions there'd be a quick alteration added to the rule).

 

[Almington]

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LOLWHUT?

All programs are limited to 34 regular season games. If in year X you go to Alaska and play 2 games against an Alaskan team then in year X + 1 (or later as you are allowed to stockpile/defer the exemptions) you can play 36 games. That's 2 more additional home games a program can schedule in their own rink. It has nothing to do with conference versus non-conference play. You play in Alaska against Alaskan teams and you receive schedule exemptions. End of story.

It has nothing to do with the team being in your conference, it has to to with the fact that the conference requires you to play X number of away games regardless if they are exempt or not. If they are exempt, you can schedule 2 additional games, that could be home games.

If UAA or UAF isn't in my conference I'm not trading two away conference games (which the conference says I must play away) for two exemptions which I can use for home games. An example:

I'm a team in the BTHC. I have 20 conference games, I can schedule 14 NC games. If I want to, I could schedule all home games for NC games. That gives me 24 total home games (14 NC and 10 conference) and 10 away games, for a total of 34 games.

Now, if I schedule an AK team and go visit, I can schedule 36 games. I still have 20 conference games, plus the two games in AK, that leaves me 14 more NC games to schedule. If I want to, I could schedule all home games for those remaining 14 NC games. That gives me 24 total home games (14 NC and 10 conference) and 12 away games (10 conference and 2 to AK), for a total of 36 games.

In both cases I have a total of 24 home games, the maximum that I can have.

If I'm a team in the WCHA of CCHA. I have 28 conference games (none in AK), I can schedule 6 NC games. If I want to, I could schedule all home games for NC games. That gives me 20 total home games (6 NC and 14 conference) and 14 away games, for a total of 34 games.

I'm a team in the WCHA of CCHA. I have 28 conference games (with 2 in AK), I can schedule 8 NC games. I still have 28 conference games, but two games are in AK, that leaves me 8 more NC games to schedule. If I want to, I could schedule all home games for those remaining 8 NC games. That gives me 22 total home games (8 NC and 14 conference) and 14 away games (14 conference with 2 to AK), for a total of 36 games.

I only can schedule more home games if the AK teams are in my league.

Hope that make my point clearer.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I don't get any more home games. I don't have to play UAA or UAF. I'm not trading two away conference games (which the conference says I must play away) for two exemptions which I can use for home games.

LOL. Oh ... I didn't know you were talking about a team that plays ALL it's NC games at home. Gee. I wonder how many teams do that?

And is that what you're claiming Wisconsin plans to do? Play ALL of it's non-conference games at home? Are they so mighty? Lovely.

 

[RITProf]

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All programs are limited to 34 regular season games. If in year X you go to Alaska and play 2 games against an Alaskan team then in year X + 1 (or later as you are allowed to stockpile/defer the exemptions) you can play 36 games. That's 2 more additional home games a program can schedule in their own rink.

But you gave up 2 games in year X that could have been home games (since the games in Alaska were not required by the conference). So in the end you don't gain home games, you just gain the two games in Alaska.

Edit: too little, too late, I see you already got it!

 

[state of hockey]

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LOL. Oh ... I didn't know you were talking about a team that plays ALL it's NC games at home. Gee. I wonder how many teams do that?

And is that what you're claiming Wisconsin plans to do? Play ALL of it's non-conference games at home? Are they so mighty? Lovely.

Wisconsin and Minnesota, mostly. Pretty lame.

 

[uaafanblog]

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But you gave up 2 games in year X that could have been home games (since the games in Alaska were not required by the conference). So in the end you don't gain home games, you just gain the two games in Alaska.

Edit: too little, too late, I see you already got it!

Um no ... you give up playing 2 non-conference games somewhere else to play in Alaska and gain the exemptions. You don't give up two home games to go play in Alaska. LOL. OMG ....

 

[uaafanblog]

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Wisconsin and Minnesota, mostly. Pretty lame.

Yeah .. um ... good luck with that.

I'm not saying Almington has ever called Gopher fans arrogant. But if he has ... he should be sent to the sin bin.

 

[state of hockey]

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I know Minnesota hardly travels for NC games. They were forced to play two on the road every other year with the now extinct college hockey showcase, but that's it. There may have been others, but the last real NC road series I remember is when the Gophers went to BU when they opened their new arena.

 

[Almington]

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LOL. Oh ... I didn't know you were talking about a team that plays ALL it's NC games at home. Gee. I wonder how many teams do that?

And is that what you're claiming Wisconsin plans to do? Play ALL of it's non-conference games at home? Are they so mighty? Lovely.

That was just an example to make it clear that the AK exemption will not increase the number of home games that a team could theoretically play if the AK team is are not in the conference. I was not saying that any team in the BTHC will play only home games.

 

[RITProf]

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Um no ... you give up playing 2 non-conference games somewhere else to play in Alaska and gain the exemptions. You don't give up two home games to go play in Alaska. LOL. OMG ....

Never mind, you didn't get it. Those two AK games "could" have been at home (it's your choice in scheduling if they aren't required by the conference). You can gain the home games by just scheduling them that way, you don't have to go to Alaska to get them. You are right if you are traveling anyway, then traveling to AK will gain you the home games (potentially ... one could actually chose to play those extra games on the road if they wanted).

 

[Bakunin]

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I know Minnesota hardly travels for NC games. They were forced to play two on the road every other year with the now extinct college hockey showcase, but that's it. There may have been others, but the last real NC road series I remember is when the Gophers went to BU when they opened their new arena.

Correct. They've played at Maine and UNH, but those games were a number of years ago. It's abundantly clear that the MN athletic department wants to maximize the number of home games for $$$, even if the opponents are a joke and the attendance isn't exactly a sellout. In their eyes, it's better to host a team like Canisius and draw 8000 fans and have a dead building than to give up those home dates and have a reasonable schedule that involves an agreement with the likes of BC or whoever to play in their rink in exchange for them coming here.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Minnesota should play all of its NC games at home. Why the hell would they want to go to 95% of the other arenas anyways?

They might be willing to go to BC, BU, UNH, or UND for a NC series. But that's about it.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I know Minnesota hardly travels for NC games. They were forced to play two on the road every other year with the now extinct college hockey showcase, but that's it. There may have been others, but the last real NC road series I remember is when the Gophers went to BU when they opened their new arena.

In 2004 they traveled to Anchorage for non-conference game ... they only got to play UAA once and hence only received one exemption. They were scheduled to go to UAF in 2008 or 2009 but that fell through for some unrelated reason. UAA and UAF began co-scheduling their tournaments in 2008 to guarantee that invitees would get to play both Alaska teams in Alaska and receive two exemptions. The following schools have made 2 trips each to Alaska in the last dozen years ... BU, Michigan, Northeastern, CC, RPI, RMU, AFA and Merrimack but UAA and UAF try to spread it out and invite as many schools as they can .. UMass, UMass-Lowell, Union, Mercyhurst, RIT, Denver, UND, Minnesota, Maine, Miami, Vermont, MTU, UNO and UConn have all also made trips in that time frame.

 

[uaafanblog]

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Never mind, you didn't get it. Those two AK games "could" have been at home (it's your choice in scheduling if they aren't required by the conference). You can gain the home games by just scheduling them that way, you don't have to go to Alaska to get them. You are right if you are traveling anyway, then traveling to AK will gain you the home games (potentially ... one could actually chose to play those extra games on the road if they wanted).

No "Prof" ... you don't get it. How stupid would someone be to suggest that a team would give up home games to go play road games so they could get home games? That's how stupid Almington thinks I am and apparently how stupid you think I am. Which in reality; just shows how stupid you and Almington are. Thanks for playing.

 

[uaafanblog]

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Minnesota should play all of its NC games at home. Why the hell would they want to go to 95% of the other arenas anyways?

They might be willing to go to BC, BU, UNH, or UND for a NC series. But that's about it.

Correct. They should take their hegemonic selves and do everything that they can to urinate in the faces of every other program that isn't them.