Big Ten Hockey Conference Pt II - The Exodus

[Sterling Cooper]

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SC: HISTORICALLY, INSTITUTIONS NOT SPONSORING A SPECIFIC SPORT HAVE DEFERRED JUDGMENT REGARDING MANAGING THAT SPORT TO THE INSTITUTIONS THAT DO SPONSOR THE SPORT. HOWEVER, THERE IS NOTHING PROCEDURALLY THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ANY MEMBER INSTITUTION FROM VOTING ON THE ADDITION OF A BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP SPORT, EVEN IF AN INSTITUTION DOES NOT SPONSOR THAT SPORT.

Exactly. And anyone want to venture a guess as to how Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, NW and Iowa are going to vote? Gee, are they going to side with Minnesota and its imbecilic and incompetent ad or are they going to side with the schools responsible for that Brinks Truck with $22 million dollars of television money that gets backed up to their doorstep every year? Hmmmmm? That's a toughie!

SC: THERE ARE NO STANDING PROVISIONS REGARDING “ASSOCIATE” MEMBERS. JUST LIKE IN THE FIRST QUESTION, IN ORDER TO ADD AN ASSOCIATE MEMBER IN A SPORT, THE ADMINISTRATORS COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD THEN BE REVIEWED BY THE BIG TEN COUNCIL OF PRESIDENTS/CHANCELLORS.

And the Big Ten Presidents are not going to do any favors for Notre Dame.

 

[Craig P.]

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The Minnesota AD himself has said that he'll be outvoted on this issue. If, however, Minnesota refuses to join the BTHC under whatever pretext, then the next order of business should be to immediately adopt a Big 12 model of distributing television revenue and stop subsidizing his athletic department.. Let's see how this clown AD likes his tv money getting cut in half. Don't spend all that Fox North hockey money in one place, Maturi.

Who would benefit by adopting a Big 12 model? I'm sure it would hurt more than Minnesota, so I question whether they could present it as a credible threat. I think the only way they could really push the Gophers is with something directly targetted.

 

[Sterling Cooper]

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Who would benefit by adopting a Big 12 model? I'm sure it would hurt more than Minnesota, so I question whether they could present it as a credible threat. I think the only way they could really push the Gophers is with something directly targetted.

Not that it will happen because I think the other Big Ten schools have a more generous and far sighted vision of the the Big Ten and how important cooperation is to make it successful than does Minny. It is theorhetically conceivable though. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin and probably Iowa and Sparty would be net winners which would get a 6-5 majority if they all stuck together. Nebraska is still in a probationary period and can't vote, but they would definitely be a net winner under unequal distribution.

I've never really had anything against Minnesota until now. But they are being ridiculously selfish and ungrateful towards the other conference schools. Hopefully, that's more a result of the arse clown currently in the ad's chair up there than the instiution as a whole.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Not that it will happen because I think the other Big Ten schools have a more generous and far sighted vision of the the Big Ten and how important cooperation is to make it successful than does Minny. It is theorhetically conceivable though. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin and probably Iowa and Sparty would be net winners which would get a 6-5 majority if they all stuck together. Nebraska is still in a probationary period and can't vote, but they would definitely be a net winner under unequal distribution.

I've never really had anything against Minnesota until now. But they are being ridiculously selfish and ungrateful towards the other conference schools. Hopefully, that's more a result of the arse clown currently in the ad's chair up there than the instiution as a whole.

You are being retarded...all of the talk in this thread is speculation by a bunch of fans...none of this talk is coming from Maturi or Minnesota. Stop being a a giant douch3bag and calm the F#$% down jack hole.

 

[LynahFan]

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Exactly. And anyone want to venture a guess as to how Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, NW and Iowa are going to vote? Gee, are they going to side with Minnesota and its imbecilic and incompetent ad or are they going to side with the schools responsible for that Brinks Truck with $22 million dollars of television money that gets backed up to their doorstep every year? Hmmmmm? That's a toughie!

It's not like the addition of a BTHC is going to increase the revenue to $23M (nor drop it to $21M). To me, it seems like it would be a big "don't care" for schools who don't sponsor hockey.

 

[4four4]

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The Minnesota AD himself has said that he'll be outvoted on this issue. If, however, Minnesota refuses to join the BTHC under whatever pretext, then the next order of business should be to immediately adopt a Big 12 model of distributing television revenue and stop subsidizing his athletic department.. Let's see how this clown AD likes his tv money getting cut in half. Don't spend all that Fox North hockey money in one place, Maturi.

The Minnesota AD has never come out and said anything about being out voted. Do you understand Minneapolis/St. Paul is the second biggest home town tv market in the Big Ten conference behind Chicago? If that is the case the Twin Cities tv market has more upside than anybody in the Big Ten outside of Chicago.

 

[Sterling Cooper]

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The Minnesota AD has never come out and said anything about being out voted. Do you understand Minneapolis/St. Paul is the second biggest home town tv market in the Big Ten conference behind Chicago? If that is the case the Twin Cities tv market has more upside than anybody in the Big Ten outside of Chicago.

Ummm, actually, he has. Here's the quote.

"We'll do what's best for the sport as long as we can," Minnesota athletics director Joel Maturi said. "Now, as one of the six (Big Ten) schools, we'll be a part of that decision, but our vote won't count for more than anyone else's.

As for media market sizes, Detriot-Ann Arbor (at #10) is still bigger than Minneapolis-St Paul (#16). Combine the the "3C" markets in Ohio, which are dominated by Ohio State and one has a combined media market of 4.8 million which would put it 5th (between SF and Dallas), not to mention the infinitely larger national appeal of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State--you really think Minny is getting the Big Ten network put onto any cable systems in the northeast or west coast? Actually, they might help in the NE is the future--as part of a BTHC package on the network.

The Big Ten is not going to cowtow to Maturi and UM because of some perceived notion of how big the Minneapolis media market is. If anything, that's going to work against Maturi and will lead to the feeling of if the market is so important and hockey is such an important subcomponent then get the **** games off Fox North and onto the BTN.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Ummm, actually, he has. Here's the quote.

There is no reason that Minnesota shouldn't do what's best for the sport as long as they can. Minnesota as the flagship of a state that has 4 other D1 teams has a responsibility to more than just the Big Ten. If you can't understand that, than I really don't see why we're even talking about this.

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

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Ummm, actually, he has. Here's the quote.

As for media market sizes, Detriot-Ann Arbor (at #10) is still bigger than Minneapolis-St Paul (#16). Combine the the "3C" markets in Ohio, which are dominated by Ohio State and one has a combined media market of 4.8 million which would put it 5th (between SF and Dallas), not to mention the infinitely larger national appeal of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State--you really think Minny is getting the Big Ten network put onto any cable systems in the northeast or west coast? Actually, they might help in the NE is the future--as part of a BTHC package on the network.

The Big Ten is not going to cowtow to Maturi and UM because of some perceived notion of how big the Minneapolis media market is. If anything, that's going to work against Maturi and will lead to the feeling of if the market is so important and hockey is such an important subcomponent then get the **** games off Fox North and onto the BTN.

Geezus Christ, what the hell is your problem? The reason why we (Minnesota fans) do not want to go to the Big Ten is because a) we will see 1/10 of Gopher games on the s*itty Big Ten Network than we get now b) we will lose out on rivalries like Michigan Tech, Denver, UND, and UMD (among others). I realize Minnesota will probably get to play them for OOC games, but it just won't be the same. Oh, and c) we will have to deal with *********s like you. At least I can laugh at how ridiculous Wisconsin/UND fans are.
Maturi realizes that it would be a stupid decision to not join the BTHC once it forms. He may suck at hiring football coaches, but he is not a complete fool. Minnesota will be in the BTHC whenever it is formed.

 

[Sterling Cooper]

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There is no reason that Minnesota shouldn't do what's best for the sport as long as they can. Minnesota as the flagship of a state that has 4 other D1 teams has a responsibility to more than just the Big Ten. If you can't understand that, than I really don't see why we're even talking about this.

Those other four D1 hockey programs aren't keeping Minnesota's athletic department in the black. Those other 10 Big Ten universities and the Big Ten Network are. Maturi's job is NOT to look out for "the sport." If that's what he wants to do, let him get a job working for "the sport" or let him scurry back to the mid-major rock he crawled out from under. His job is to look out for Minnesota's athletic department, whose fortunes and finances are tied inextricably to the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Geezus Christ, what the hell is your problem? The reason why we (Minnesota fans) do not want to go to the Big Ten is because a) we will see 1/10 of Gopher games on the s*itty Big Ten Network than we get now b) we will lose out on rivalries like Michigan Tech, Denver, UND, and UMD (among others). I realize Minnesota will probably get to play them for OOC games, but it just won't be the same. Oh, and c) we will have to deal with *********s like you. At least I can laugh at how ridiculous Wisconsin/UND fans are.
Maturi realizes that it would be a stupid decision to not join the BTHC once it forms. He may suck at hiring football coaches, but he is not a complete fool. Minnesota will be in the BTHC whenever it is formed.

Ever consider that YOU are the ones who are ridiculous? Just sayin'...

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

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Ever consider that YOU are the ones who are ridiculous? Just sayin'...

Of course I haven't. We're arrogant, remember? There is nothing wrong with us (although I personally don't claim RinkPig as a Gopher fan).

 

[4four4]

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Ummm, actually, he has. Here's the quote.

I still don't see how Maturi has come out and said anything about being outvoted.

As for media market sizes, Detriot-Ann Arbor (at #10) is still bigger than Minneapolis-St Paul (#16). Combine the the "3C" markets in Ohio, which are dominated by Ohio State and one has a combined media market of 4.8 million which would put it 5th (between SF and Dallas), not to mention the infinitely larger national appeal of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State--you really think Minny is getting the Big Ten network put onto any cable systems in the northeast or west coast? Actually, they might help in the NE is the future--as part of a BTHC package on the network.

If you read closely my post said "hometown" tv market not Detriot, Cleveland, Cincy.

 

[ts8801]

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Those other four D1 hockey programs aren't keeping Minnesota's athletic department in the black. Those other 10 Big Ten universities and the Big Ten Network are. Maturi's job is NOT to look out for "the sport." If that's what he wants to do, let him get a job working for "the sport" or let him scurry back to the mid-major rock he crawled out from under. His job is to look out for Minnesota's athletic department, whose fortunes and finances are tied inextricably to the Big Ten and the Big Ten Network.

You are one of the biggest moron's I've ever ran accross on this forum. Almost everyone here is agreeing with you that the U of MN will join the BTHC once it forms. Just because it is going to happen and is better for the rest of the BT schools doesn't mean its the best for the U. Ya they are going to join but they aren't going to be jumping for joy that they are going to be losing TV coverage and money they get from it. Joining the BTHC isn't going to bring more money to the UMN, then they currently bring in, but they will join because it is the conference they are affiliated with.

You keep posting rant after rant about how the UMN will be told join or else. That's not how it is going to happen, the conference isn't a hostile battleground like the B12, there will be more respect and sportsmanship with the process.

 

[kire_mailliw]

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bump... more on the big ten conference

i've been a life long gopher hockey fan--I just hope we will have the same access to gopher hockey games with the same quality (not one camera) as fox sports north currently has-- if not this move would defn suck

however, I have seen an upside of having big ten network hockey games--the exposure to non-traditional hockey markets--I live in iowa city and there has definitely been an uptick in interest in college hockey now that it is on tv--many people i know are asking why u of i doesn't have a dI team (both hockey ppl and other not previously interested in hockey)--(I should say part of this might be due to the fact that there are no college sports worth watching after football ends--ie f u licklighter)

The prob of UI getting a DI school is obviously far from reality--but putting the great sport of college hockey on tv every friday night--will significantly increase the probability of getting a real program for the hawkeyes

 

[solovsfett]

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if there is a B10 conference (and not just a B10 title award as has also been discussed) how will the powers that be react to Ohio State and Penn State getting their a**es handed to them every weekend for years on end? the thought has probably never crossed their minds that PSU and OSU will be whipped annually by the other 4.

another thought....w/6 teams I think NCAA tourney time will be very interesting. one auto-bid and the rest won't get in the tourney cause they'll be approaching 14-15 loss seasons from beating the hell out of each other. or will the pairwise suddenly put more emphasis on SOS and allow a 20-16 Wisconsin/Minnesota/Michigan team in the tourney over say a 26-10 NMU?

 

[Priceless]

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if there is a B10 conference (and not just a B10 title award as has also been discussed) how will the powers that be react to Ohio State and Penn State getting their a**es handed to them every weekend for years on end? the thought has probably never crossed their minds that PSU and OSU will be whipped annually by the other 4.

another thought....w/6 teams I think NCAA tourney time will be very interesting. one auto-bid and the rest won't get in the tourney cause they'll be approaching 14-15 loss seasons from beating the hell out of each other. or will the pairwise suddenly put more emphasis on SOS and allow a 20-16 Wisconsin/Minnesota/Michigan team in the tourney over say a 26-10 NMU?

I think it was earlier in this thread where I posted the results of a BTHC round robin (20 games) with the rest of the results from last year's PWR - subtracting out games against B10 teams and giving the B10 teams a complete cupcake NC schedule and beating PSU and OSU all the time. They would split games H2H. All four teams would make the playoffs as long as they handled the cupcakes. Lose a game or two to cupcakes, and they would miss the NCAA tournament. Whoever finished fourth would be a bubble team. One key is whether the BTHC will have a third-place game in its tournament. If they do it might be enough to knock the loser off the bubble.

 

[solovsfett]

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nice. well this will get very *interesting*

I'm not in favor of the B10 at all but since it's inevitable...

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I think it was earlier in this thread where I posted the results of a BTHC round robin (20 games) with the rest of the results from last year's PWR - subtracting out games against B10 teams and giving the B10 teams a complete cupcake NC schedule and beating PSU and OSU all the time. They would split games H2H. All four teams would make the playoffs as long as they handled the cupcakes. Lose a game or two to cupcakes, and they would miss the NCAA tournament. Whoever finished fourth would be a bubble team. One key is whether the BTHC will have a third-place game in its tournament. If they do it might be enough to knock the loser off the bubble.

The thing is, Ohio State is not going to be beat all the time. They're going to get better recruits in the BTHC, and will compete at a higher level. Penn State will eventually get there as well, but it will take awhile.

As far as the NCAA Tournament is concerned, I think they'll probably take out the .500 rule for the PWR. I don't see the teams just scheduling "cupcakes". I think they'll try to keep their traditional rivals on the schedule, so long as it is to their benefit. If they do schedule nothing but "cupcakes", they better basically go undefeated against them, or it could cost them come PWR time. At the end of the day, I think 3-4 teams from the conference will make the NCAA Tournament in any given year.

 

[NMU8405]

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Well, watching the Big 10 Post game show after Minnesota vs Michigan, and to no surprise, the on air guy said that the Big Ten should move forward with a league, and if some teams lose a program, oh well. Also, they should push for UCONN to join.