Big Ten 2015-2016

[Slap Shot]

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Elitist attitude absolutely.... I applauded your post and you came back defensively. Hope you listen better when dealing with your students....

You found that to be defensive? Then again you've heard an undeniable number of its applicants speak so I defensively digress.

 

[scoreboard]

You found that to be defensive? Then again you've heard an undeniable number of its applicants speak so I defensively digress.

Interviewed some as well. Didn't get hired.

 

[alfablue]

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Regarding the new Joe, you would know better than I. But in my admittedly limited experience with Downtown Detroit, the area from Greektown on up through Ford Field/Comerica/Fox Theater seems much more appealing the Joe's current location. And that's not even mentioning that the arena itself will be much nicer. Won't those things help, at least a little?

The new rink isn't really near Greektown- it's more on the other side of Ford Field and Comerica from Greektown- it's actually on the other side of I75 from Comerica and Foxtown- toward the direction of Midtown. It's a newly forming area- and should be really great by the time the new rink opens. And one reason I hope that the B1G promotes it as a vacation kind of thing.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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"no one"!? Big Ten's AAU standard has not changed. UNL joined the AAU 107 years ago. Unfortunately it ranked at the bottom of the AAU's members for more than a decade based on the AAU ranking system which ranks all research universities. That ranking system consists of four criteria: research expenditures, National Academy members, faculty awards (from a specified list) and citations. They were actually invited and accepted into the Big Ten months BEFORE the AAU dismissed UNL in April 2011. I recall the chancellor at UNL stating that they would never have been invited to the Big Ten if they weren't AAU to begin with despite being voted against by Mich. and Wis.

However, it's important to note that research institutions in the AAU do not have the same ranking percentage weights that typically determine the overall academic standing of colleges and universities throughout the nation. Criteria are weighted based on the number of tenure-track faculty, graduation and retention rates, alumni support, student selectivity, etc. Based on those criteria, even a number of non-AAU institutions ranked higher than over 15 of the 63 AAU institutions, including UNL during their AAU membership period.

Notre Dame's lack of AAU membership didn't stop the Big Ten from trying to grab them a number of times, because of all the other strengths Notre Dame brings to the table. ND has a sterling reputation in undergrad education and since 2010 has made a significant push to become a leading research and graduate university. Notre Dame would probably love to be an AAU member to solidify its status but becoming a member is by invitation ONLY. They have not been invited yet, but could be in the very near future. I see no problem with ASU being accepted as a sport affiliate member in men's ice hockey based upon its academic reputation, despite being non-AAU. AAU Members

You know how I see the AAU? LIke saying you want five years experience for an entry level position. Legalized discrimination for people who are qualified but you just don't want. Or like.

Easily waived if the right candidate comes along.

 

[SteveO]

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Elitist attitude absolutely.... I applauded your post and you came back defensively. Hope you listen better when dealing with your students....

I had absolutely no intention of being defensive or elitist. You misunderstood my post. I was only further explaining the AAU from a faculty perspective...that's all.

 

[Khryx]

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ASU undergrad actually ranks higher than Rutgers, and their grad school programs (Education, Business, Fine Arts, etc.) all basically rank from top 10 to top 30 in the nation. They have the strong academic reputation in both the undergrad and grad programs that the Big Ten requires. Although you are right it is somewhat a party school...but what major college or university isn't today (with the exception of the "dry campus" I teach at )?

I mean no disrespect but your statement about Arizona State ranking higher than Rutgers surprised me. Because I was curious I did a quick look at the most recent US News and World Reports (perhaps not the best source but easily accessed). I found that ASU definitely outranked Rutgers across the board for graduate schools (though none of the programs were top 10) but significantly got outranked at the undergraduate level (72 to 129). Out of curiosity, what rankings are you using? Just to clarify, I'm not claiming US News and World Reports is the best option to rank schools, just the first one I found on the web to look at.

 

[Koho]

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The original playoff plan was to have the top two get byes to the semi finals and have 3/6 and 4/5 play a 2 of 3 on campus sites. Then the final tournament would be played at the 1 seed's rink. But Wisconsin complained because they host state finals at Kohl during the week the tournament is held. So now we play in front of half full Xcel's and quarter full JLA's.

So people actually thought some time in the future there is a chance Wisconsin could be the number one seed? So they are actually planning decades ahead?

 

[SteveO]

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I mean no disrespect but your statement about Arizona State ranking higher than Rutgers surprised me. Because I was curious I did a quick look at the most recent US News and World Reports (perhaps not the best source but easily accessed). I found that ASU definitely outranked Rutgers across the board for graduate schools (though none of the programs were top 10) but significantly got outranked at the undergraduate level (72 to 129). Out of curiosity, what rankings are you using? Just to clarify, I'm not claiming US News and World Reports is the best option to rank schools, just the first one I found on the web to look at.

If you use US News for Rutgers, each campus ranks differently (i.e. Rutgers - Newark, #140). The same with ASU grad programs (i.e. The W. P. Carey School of Business, #6). I sometimes use Princeton Review and Forbes ranking engines as well.

 

[Khryx]

If you use US News for Rutgers, each campus ranks differently (i.e. Rutgers - Newark, #140). The same with ASU grad programs (i.e. The W. P. Carey School of Business, #6). I sometimes use Princeton Review and Forbes ranking engines as well.

That's true but Newark isn't the main campus for Rutgers. It's New Brunswick (72 in rankings). For public schools it is 28 versus 62 for ASU. If you compare satellite campuses (e.g. Newark), I don't think ASU's are even ranked. Just saying comparing a satellite campus to a main campus isn't equivalent as typically the satellite campuses are distinct from main campuses in most aspects like admissions and sports for example.

 

[Khryx]

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Has anyone ever looked into the SOS / record for teams in other conferences if they were to only have a six team conference and play a B1G type schedule (play each team twice at home and twice on the road)? I ask because I would be curious to see some statistics.

 

[SteveO]

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That's true but Newark isn't the main campus for Rutgers. It's New Brunswick (72 in rankings). For public schools it is 28 versus 62 for ASU. If you compare satellite campuses (e.g. Newark), I don't think ASU's are even ranked. Just saying comparing a satellite campus to a main campus isn't equivalent as typically the satellite campuses are distinct from main campuses in most aspects like admissions and sports for example.

I think we'll see Sun Devils hockey entering into an affiliate agreement with the Big Ten very soon. They're not AAU, but have a good grad school and an academic reputation the Big Ten requires.

Yeah, you're right I must have looked at the Newark not the main campus which is an AAU member. Nevertheless, ASU's grad school ranks very high in several programs and I think that may carry significant weight towards their hockey program becoming a affiliate sport member of the Big Ten. That was the intent of my original post above.

 

[Khryx]

Yeah, you're right I must have looked at the Newark not the main campus which is an AAU member. Nevertheless, ASU's grad school ranks very high in several programs and I think that may carry significant weight towards their hockey program becoming a affiliate sport member of the Big Ten. That was the intent of my original post above.

Yeah, I had a feeling that was where you were going with it when I compared the graduate programs between the two schools. Good call.

 

[shepmitchell]

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what sad is that the B1G champ won't make the tourney unless they win the B1G playoff.....

 

[state of hockey]

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Gophers aren't very good at the X lately. It'll be a surprise to me if they get two wins and get through.

 

[shepmitchell]

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Gophers aren't very good at the X lately. It'll be a surprise to me of they get two wins and get through.

whats sad is the gophers aren't even getting the best talent in minnesota anymore

 

[D2D]

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Printable bracket for the tournament can be found here: http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/031216aac.html

 

[alfablue]

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Gophers aren't very good at the X lately. It'll be a surprise to me if they get two wins and get through.

Funny comment on a Michigan board- someone claims that the refs will be biased to your team so they get through. I had to point out that the B1G refs are too incompetent to call a good game, let alone figure out a way to be biased.

For the tournament- I'm sure someone will ask- but, NO the teams are not re-seeded after Thursday. So Minnesota gets OSU or MSU, Michigan gets PSU or Wisconsin.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Funny comment on a Michigan board- someone claims that the refs will be biased to your team so they get through. I had to point out that the B1G refs are too incompetent to call a good game, let alone figure out a way to be biased.

For the tournament- I'm sure someone will ask- but, NO the teams are not re-seeded after Thursday. So Minnesota gets OSU or MSU, Michigan gets PSU or Wisconsin.

If the refs were going to try to help the conference get two bids, Michigan would've won at the Joe last year.

Only saw Saturday's game against OSU, but if this weekend's energy carries over to next Thursday, it's going to be a very close, competitive, and chippy nightcap.

 

[Pirateasaur]

If the refs were going to try to help the conference get two bids, Michigan would've won at the Joe last year.

Only saw Saturday's game against OSU, but if this weekend's energy carries over to next Thursday, it's going to be a very close, competitive, and chippy nightcap.

You know, I'm aware that it's popular to trash officials but I can't recall the last time I left a game feeling like the refs really mucked a game up. A poor call here and there but I feel like it's much more common in basketball and football to feel as though the refs truly impacted a game.

Just my observation, I guess.

 

[pgb-ohio]

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The new rink isn't really near Greektown- it's more on the other side of Ford Field and Comerica from Greektown- it's actually on the other side of I75 from Comerica and Foxtown- toward the direction of Midtown.

Appreciate the follow-up. With your info, plus a quick web search, I now have a much clearer picture of where the new building will be.

By way of quick explanation, our strategy back at the FFFF was to park between Greektown and Ford Field. Pre-game meal in Greektown. Once parked, we were able to forget about the car until after the games. While I'm not defending having playoff hockey in football stadiums, the neighborhood worked -- contrary to widely held stereotypes. That was my point. I wasn't trying to suggest that large numbers would be walking from Greektown to the new Joe.

It's a newly forming area- and should be really great by the time the new rink opens. And one reason I hope that the B1G promotes it as a vacation kind of thing.

I'm with you on this, and yet I'm not sure how much hope there is.

Whenever the topic of post-season sites arises, it seems that a large majority of fans will only travel to major vacation destinations. In other words, places where you'd be willing to spend a full week as tourist, with all of the expense and time off work that requires. Most Midwestern cities aren't going to pass that test. But it's the wrong test! The question is whether there's a good long weekend to be had. And the 'D' certainly gets over that hurdle -- again, contrary to widely held stereotypes.