Best Arena?

[Eeyore]

Re: Best Arena?

I don't think anyone is making a decision based upon the figures, but you don't think it gets brought up by coaches in the recruiting process? "We have one of the best fan bases in the country, we average 1,300 fans each home game." White lies are still lies.

I'm still not seeing why it needs some sort of resolution by the NCAA. Again, on the list of things that prospective coaches are likely to be dodgy about, this barely rates.

 

[HankScorpio]

Re: Best Arena?

I'm still not seeing why it needs some sort of resolution by the NCAA. Again, on the list of things that prospective coaches are likely to be dodgy about, this barely rates.

Every little detail matters in recruiting, any time you can get a leg up on your opponent you take it. And like I said before it's not just a women's hockey problem, it's across the board for all the sports in NCAA.

Schools don't lie about their enrollment, you don't think that size (enrollment) of a school matters to prospective students? So why do we lie about attendance numbers?

It's not hard to fix. It just gets ridiculous when schools tout their attendance records and averages, when it's clearly not an accurate representation of what's going.

 

[ARM]

So why do we lie about attendance numbers?

I think it isn't so much a lie as lack of resource, as are many things in women's hockey. Yes, in Grand Forks there is all sorts of infrastructure in place. It's a high-budget operation and someone scans your ticket as you enter, so they can easily report how many tickets were scanned. Good luck getting an accurate count at some other rinks. If you arrive early enough at a rink like Mankato, there isn't even anyone at the door yet and a person can just walk right in. That's why you see so many attendance figures like "100" or "150" around the country. Somebody just looks at the crowd and says, "Looks like about 150 today."

If it matters to a recruit, she should go watch a game at the rink in question. She can figure out rather quickly which programs have fan support and which don't. Any time you want something to be more official, it usually means adding cost somewhere. Compared to UND, many of these are rather low-budget operations, and if you demand some NCAA regulation, it impacts everyone, not just UND and Wisconsin.

 

[HankScorpio]

Re: Best Arena?

I think it isn't so much a lie as lack of resource, as are many things in women's hockey. Yes, in Grand Forks there is all sorts of infrastructure in place. It's a high-budget operation and someone scans your ticket as you enter, so they can easily report how many tickets were scanned. Good luck getting an accurate count at some other rinks. If you arrive early enough at a rink like Mankato, there isn't even anyone at the door yet and a person can just walk right in. That's why you see so many attendance figures like "100" or "150" around the country. Somebody just looks at the crowd and says, "Looks like about 150 today."

If it matters to a recruit, she should go watch a game at the rink in question. She can figure out rather quickly which programs have fan support and which don't. Any time you want something to be more official, it usually means adding cost somewhere. Compared to UND, many of these are rather low-budget operations, and if you demand some NCAA regulation, it impacts everyone, not just UND and Wisconsin.

I'd rather have guestimations for attendance than tickets sold. It would be a better representation of the truth. And I don't buy the lack of resource thing, everyone knows how to count and get to something close to the real thing. That's what schools do for sports like soccer where it's an open venue and there is no real point of access, you just count how many people are there. There's a big difference between saying 200 when it was 100, compared to saying 1,900 when it was 400.

And that's the point of regulation, to affect everyone not just two schools. Try to put everyone on the same level. But I guess our Big Ten friends don't share the same sentiment.

 

[ARM]

I'd rather have guestimations for attendance than tickets sold. It would be a better representation of the truth.

You're worried that what some programs report today is a lie, but some people are going to "estimate" much higher than others. Some can't even get SOG right. I think people have to pick their battles, and I'll politely pass on this one.

 

[Eeyore]

Re: Best Arena?

Schools don't lie about their enrollment, you don't think that size (enrollment) of a school matters to prospective students? So why do we lie about attendance numbers?

For the most part, schools aren't lying about their attendance. They're just using a definition that you don't like. Those two things shouldn't be confused.

It's not hard to fix. It just gets ridiculous when schools tout their attendance records and averages, when it's clearly not an accurate representation of what's going.

It may not be hard (though at some places it might be harder than you think) but the effects here are so trivial that it probably isn't even worth and effort that's easy. This is a hobby horse that I think you're going to have to ride all by yourself.

 

[pokechecker]

Re: Best Arena?

LOL, the nimrods are nitt picking how attendance is counted