Bangor Daily News: Whitehead Fired

[Chuck Murray]

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Hire Jimmy as the head coach, and keep Corkum on as an assistant. That's a powerful combination.

Why would Monty ever want to keep Corkum as an assistant, after Corkum just got finished throwing his last boss under the bus, while issuing his magnum opus as the self-appointed, would-be second coming of Walshy??

And what from Corkum's lastest statement would lead you to believe he's OK being "second in command" yet again??

This is not fantasy hockey, where only stats count, and the real world is filtered out.

Stranger things have happened, sure, but I'm pretty sure this idea would not be palatable to either of those guys.

 

[walrus]

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I think Monty keeping Corkum as an asst is moot seeing as Jimmy took the DU job

Looks like my tickets are still history

 

[carltonbarrett]

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I heard Steve Cedorchuk is available for short money.

 

[Hokydad]

Why would Monty ever want to keep Corkum as an assistant, after Corkum just got finished throwing his last boss under the bus, while issuing his magnum opus as the self-appointed, would-be second coming of Walshy??

And what from Corkum's lastest statement would lead you to believe he's OK being "second in command" yet again??

This is not fantasy hockey, where only stats count, and the real world is filtered out.

Stranger things have happened, sure, but I'm pretty sure this idea would not be palatable to either of those guys.

And why would an ex NHL player with over 800 NHL gms under his belt coach under a guy who couldn't make it in the pros. Safe to say that Corkum played under some of the best coaches out there and has strong USA hockey ties. JM will be good as well but coaching in the USHL with unlimited resources and guys feeding you kids Is not the same as recruiting vs BU, BC, UNH et all

Maine will be very good going forward and if you think Abbot went this route without input from high end hockey guys and alum you are wrong

 

[rufus]

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Why would Monty ever want to keep Corkum as an assistant, after Corkum just got finished throwing his last boss under the bus, while issuing his magnum opus as the self-appointed, would-be second coming of Walshy??

And what from Corkum's lastest statement would lead you to believe he's OK being "second in command" yet again??

This is not fantasy hockey, where only stats count, and the real world is filtered out.

Stranger things have happened, sure, but I'm pretty sure this idea would not be palatable to either of those guys.

Well for one, I don't see anyone but Steve Abbott beating his door down about being head coach for their team.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Maine will be very good going forward and if you think Abbot went this route without input from high end hockey guys and alum you are wrong

Please give your definition of being "very good". We talking making the TD Garden good? Making the NCAA's good? Making the FF good?

 

[amherstblackbear]

And why would an ex NHL player with over 800 NHL gms under his belt coach under a guy who couldn't make it in the pros. Safe to say that Corkum played under some of the best coaches out there and has strong USA hockey ties. JM will be good as well but coaching in the USHL with unlimited resources and guys feeding you kids Is not the same as recruiting vs BU, BC, UNH et all

Maine will be very good going forward and if you think Abbot went this route without input from high end hockey guys and alum you are wrong

For Maine's sake, I hope you're right.

I think if you add the total NHL games played for Jerry York, Jack Parker, Ron Mason, Red Berenson, Jeff Jackson, Don Lucia, and Dean Blais . . . that number would be zero.

Without spending an hour on hockeydb to check, its a good bet that at least some of them have hired assistants with > 0 NHL experience

 

[Hokydad]

Well for one, I don't see anyone but Steve Abbott beating his door down about being head coach for their team.

First off you would never know if they were and 2nd it is pretty clear he sincerely bleeds blue vs saying it.

2 others said no to DU and another pulled his name.

 

[walrus]

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For Maine's sake, I hope you're right.

I think if you add the total NHL games played for Jerry York, Jack Parker, Ron Mason, Red Berenson, Jeff Jackson, Don Lucia, and Dean Blais . . . that number would be zero.

Without spending an hour on hockeydb to check, its a good bet that at least some of them have hired assistants with > 0 NHL experience

Better take Red Berenson out of your list

 

[rufus]

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Red Berenson played a lot of NHL games.

Scotty Bowman didn't, though.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Better take Red Berenson out of your list

wt f, where's my facepalm smiley?

no idea what I was (wasn't?) thinking there...

 

[BlackI]

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Why would Monty ever want to keep Corkum as an assistant, after Corkum just got finished throwing his last boss under the bus, while issuing his magnum opus as the self-appointed, would-be second coming of Walshy??

And what from Corkum's lastest statement would lead you to believe he's OK being "second in command" yet again??

This is not fantasy hockey, where only stats count, and the real world is filtered out.

Stranger things have happened, sure, but I'm pretty sure this idea would not be palatable to either of those guys.

Well, if I am Corkum I wouldn't have thrown Whitehead under the bus. However, if I am Corkum I might think this is a chance worth taking where I have nothing to lose. I've made my money and my bones in the NHL. And I want to be the head coach and restore the UMaine hockey system. He's being passionate, if not as much of anything else.

Having said all that, I am not sure it is a fair process if there is a candidate there that is good enough for another college hockey powerhouse team but yet not worth hustling to get him in for an interview for Maine. And this guy happens to be the guy Walsh said was another assistant on the ice for his team. The captain of a 42-1-2 team. The guy that scored a natural hat trick coming from behind to win Maine its' first national championship. A guy that set the scoring record for UMaine that hasn't been threatened since. All this and he is demonstrating his prowess as a coach.

Given both of these things I think it is absolutely the correct choice to do whatever you can to get Jimmy and then focus on a lesser problem in convincing Jimmy and Corkum to work together and agree on a plan to implement a system that restores the product and shows it off to the loyal fan base in a way people want to be a part of it and invest in it.

So, while you might not agree with my vested line of thinking... yes, absolutely 100%... the right decision is Jimmy as head coach, Bobby as top assistant. It would breath precious life into a failing system.

What is troubling, and a grave concern... this has highlighted the AD is the problem and maybe Whitehead was never given a fair shake either. If this happens, and they miss this opportunity, then you would have to say it is bad leadership from the management. If this is the case, you could assume the coach is irrelevant and there is nothing to stop the complete collapse.

Now having said that even, it isn't a big deal. If you are 10 feet off the ground and trying to pull the rip cord you are hosed.

I think it is safe to say Maine is 10 feet off the ground and pulling the rip cord. Thanks athletic director and associated management. You make me proud as an alumni.

 

[Hokydad]

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Your opinion is not, The yes 100% right choice.

It is your opinion

Stupid raving about college success when in reality it simply shows was a very good college player and then hit the wall and couldn't at pro, couldn't get it done. Hit the wall. Coaching high school kids in that environment with that ownership grps resources and player pool is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Corkum was the one who proved he could get it done against the worlds best. Made millions and played 800+/- NHL games. Over achieved.

AKA F you I will get it done, not I hit the wall and quit

Maine is in good hands and Corkum won't accept anything else. He truly bleeds Maine blue and will win

 

[Hockeypuck]

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Your opinion is not, The yes 100% right choice.

It is your opinion

Stupid raving about college success when in reality it simply shows was a very good college player and then hit the wall and couldn't at pro, couldn't get it done. Hit the wall. Coaching high school kids in that environment with that ownership grps resources and player pool is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Corkum was the one who proved he could get it done against the worlds best. Made millions and played 800+/- NHL games. Over achieved.

AKA F you I will get it done, not I hit the wall and quit

Maine is in good hands and Corkum won't accept anything else. He truly bleeds Maine blue and will win

So because Corkum played in more NHL games then Montgomery he's a better coach....great logic. Based on that logic Walsh should have been coaching a JV high school team.

 

[Hokydad]

So because Corkum played in more NHL games then Montgomery he's a better coach....great logic. Based on that logic Walsh should have been coaching a JV high school team.

Not the same logic at all. Point was you sure as hell don't make it a negative that one got to the next level and played for years and made millions and the other washed out and made nothing. How is that a negative?

The same here, 2 potential first time head coaches and one will be able to get to the next level, maybe one won't... my bet is they both will win

 

[BlackI]

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So because Corkum played in more NHL games then Montgomery he's a better coach....great logic. Based on that logic Walsh should have been coaching a JV high school team.

Well, on the one hand I enjoy a lot of what Hokydad says. On the other, there is a reason he has such neg rep.

I can tell you that from an insiders account(which I will not mention), Walsh could barely skate. He was at best a goalie that had poor skating. He was also considered arguably the best coach of all time in college hockey. Now others will mention the house hold names like Berenson, Mason, Parker, York, etc... But I do know this, those coaches were never comfortable when they drew Maine in the playoffs. And some of them would not have had the success lately if Walsh was still behind the Maine bench.

Now to Hokydad, if you think there is or has ever been one ounce of quit in Jimmy Montgomery... I will label you as an arse. And I will provoke you in this way, and so much so, that you will be challenged to watch the 93 final... watch the out of the woods documentary... watch the other 42-1-2 documentary. You do that and tell me you think Jimmy Montgomery was a quitter.

Hokydad, you are a few fries short of a happy meal if you think Jimmy is a quitter.

 

[rufus]

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Not the same logic at all. Point was you sure as hell don't make it a negative that one got to the next level and played for years and made millions and the other washed out and made nothing. How is that a negative?

The same here, 2 potential first time head coaches and one will be able to get to the next level, maybe one won't... my bet is they both will win

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_La_Russa

or maybe today, this is more appropriate.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=20983

 

[J.D.]

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It really is a stupid point, even for hoky's standards

 

[Hokydad]

Well, on the one hand I enjoy a lot of what Hokydad says. On the other, there is a reason he has such neg rep.

I can tell you that from an insiders account(which I will not mention), Walsh could barely skate. He was at best a goalie that had poor skating. He was also considered arguably the best coach of all time in college hockey. Now others will mention the house hold names like Berenson, Mason, Parker, York, etc... But I do know this, those coaches were never comfortable when they drew Maine in the playoffs. And some of them would not have had the success lately if Walsh was still behind the Maine bench.

Now to Hokydad, if you think there is or has ever been one ounce of quit in Jimmy Montgomery... I will label you as an arse. And I will provoke you in this way, and so much so, that you will be challenged to watch the 93 final... watch the out of the woods documentary... watch the other 42-1-2 documentary. You do that and tell me you think Jimmy Montgomery was a quitter.

Hokydad, you are a few fries short of a happy meal if you think Jimmy is a quitter.

Of course he is not a quitter. You same people would have bet the house the day after they played their last college games that JM would have a better pro career. Corkum over achieved and made millions

He will do it again without the millions

 

[Hokydad]

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No one loves Walsh more then I did and still do. He was not though considered arguably the best college coach ever. If he had hung around another 20 maybe.
I do take solace in that if he posted on here he would have had as many neg reps as I do. Wasn't looking to make friends.....just kidding