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Bangor Daily News: Whitehead Fired

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Well, he either was the consumate professional or a wimp...to allow Whitehead to dictate poor or ineffective style of play for that many years without doing something to change it. My only answer is he was hanging around, biting his tongue waiting for the day Whitehead was let go, as I can see no reason to think otherwise.

I agree with this. He knew nothing good would come of it if he was continually butting heads, so he kept his mouth shut, and did what he could. And you can't undermine the head coach publicly.

Two things where I saw a lot of Bob in this team. One was in how much they improved on faceoffs once he got there. Those teams with Ryan, Hopson, Soares, Leveille, Hamilton, etc., with the exception of a few players, were just abysmal in the faceoff circle. Since Corkum's been here, they've been a lot better.

And I can't remember exactly which game it was, but it may have been the first Alabama-Huntsville game last season, when Maine, with the two Hobey candiates and the veteran team, were playing like crap for two periods and trailing 3-0 going into the third. They score three straight in the third, and won it in OT, and I posted that Corkum really must have chewed them out after the second period. BobF replies "How do you know it was Corkum?", and just that moment , TIMMAY was on the postgame show and said something like "I just told them we'd break the period down into four 5 minute blocks, and then Bobby yelled at them for a bit."

I think Corkum would make a great head coach, but as people have said, the fact that he's been there while all this has been going on might dampen the enthusiasm for him a bit. But he would definitely have this team play a hard-nosed, physical, tough to play against brand of hockey , like Walshy did. Montgomery I think would bring the same, because I think they both bring that same approach to the game. The one they learned as players. If Monty is named, I hope he keeps Corkum as his assistant, and lets him loose to input however he feels. The best of both worlds, I think, and a great and complementary partnership.

BTW, that 1989 team that Corkum was a captain of had no business winning 31 games, as they lost a ton of talent from the '88 team(Golden, Nonis, McHugh, Jack Capuano, Dave Wensley, Weinrich). I mean, you had a 1st line of Corkum, Luke Vitale and Bruce Major, if I recall correctly. It's a tribute to the coaching job Walsh, Crowder and Standbrook did, and the character and hard work of the players on that team that they were as successful as they were, in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. it didn't hurt that they had a couple freshmen named Pellerin and Robitaille join the team. But freshmen don't score, right?

Also, even last year, with the veteran team and the two Hobey candidates, this team began the season poorly, something like 4-7, before Corkum took them midnight skating. The man knows how to motivate.
 
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I agree with this. He knew nothing good would come of it if he was continually butting heads, so he kept his mouth shut, and did what he could. And you can't undermine the head coach publicly.

Two things where I saw a lot of Bob in this team. One was in how much they improved on faceoffs once he got there. Those teams with Ryan, Hopson, Soares, Leveille, Hamilton, etc., with the exception of a few players, were just abysmal in the faceoff circle. Since Corkum's been here, they've been a lot better.

And I can't remember exactly which game it was, but it may have been the first Alabama-Huntsville game last season, when Maine, with the two Hobey candiates and the veteran team, were playing like crap for two periods and trailing 3-0 going into the third. They score three straight in the third, and won it in OT, and I posted that Corkum really must have chewed them out after the second period. BobF replies "How do you know it was Corkum?", and just that moment , TIMMAY was on the postgame show and said something like "I just told them we'd break the period down into four 5 minute blocks, and then Bobby yelled at them for a bit."

I think Corkum would make a great head coach, but as people have said, the fact that he's been there while all this has been going on might dampen the enthusiasm for him a bit. But he would definitely have this team play a hard-nosed, physical, tough to play against brand of hockey , like Walshy did. Montgomery I think would bring the same, because I think they both bring that same approach to the game. The one they learned as players. If Monty is named, I hope he keeps Corkum as his assistant, and lets him loose to input however he feels. The best of both worlds, I think, and a great and complementary partnership.

BTW, that 1989 team that Corkum was a captain of had no business winning 31 games, as they lost a ton of talent from the '88 team(Golden, Nonis, McHugh, Jack Capuano, Dave Wensley, Weinrich). I mean, you had a 1st line of Corkum, Luke Vitale and Bruce Major, if I recall correctly. It's a tribute to the coaching job Walsh, Crowder and Standbrook did, and the character and hard work of the players on that team that they were as successful as they were, in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year. it didn't hurt that they had a couple freshmen named Pellerin and Robitaille join the team. But freshmen don't score, right?

Jim Montgomery shouldn't be put in a double jeopardy situation by being penalized again for OUI's, and shame on UMaine if that factors into a decision when it comes to Head Coach.

Bob Corkum has great credentials too though, and perhaps his hockey resume is even better then Jim's. Corkum's time as assistant in the context of Whitehead's leadership shouldn't be held against him either and shouldn't count against his resume and his proven Black Bear pride on the ice, through his pro career, and back behind the bench at the Alfond.

Scott Pellerin deserves a look too.

I wonder if Montgomery would consider being an assistant under Corkum?
 
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Jim Montgomery shouldn't be put in a double jeopardy situation by being penalized again for OUI's, and shame on UMaine if that factors into a decision when it comes to Head Coach.?
He certainly would be held accountable for thoses transgressions in the private sector so why not at Umaine. You don't think thats a reflection on him? I'm not saying it should eliminate him but its a factor
 
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Jim Montgomery shouldn't be put in a double jeopardy situation by being penalized again for OUI's, and shame on UMaine if that factors into a decision when it comes to Head Coach.

Bob Corkum has great credentials too though, and perhaps his hockey resume is even better then Jim's. Corkum's time as assistant in the context of Whitehead's leadership shouldn't be held against him either and shouldn't count against his resume and his proven Black Bear pride on the ice, through his pro career, and back behind the bench at the Alfond.

Scott Pellerin deserves a look too.

I wonder if Montgomery would consider being an assistant under Corkum?

I doubt at this point in any of these guys careers that any of them has much interest in being an assistant. They wanna be in charge.
 
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Lemme clarify a bit on Corkum. I have always loved his work ethic and his discipline. No one will argue this. Again, I dont care if he's an assistant, he has GOT TO expedite change over a period of 5 years when his beloved alma mater sucks for those 5 years and plays lazy hockey. You cant tell me he didnt have numerous opportunities to get through Whiteheads thick skull how to change things up and become a winning program. 500 hockey doesnt cut it in Hockey East. If Im on the selection committee, thats the first question that man is gonna be asked by me and I want a clear answer. Sure, you toed the line and were a faithful employee, but there comes a time when even your boss needs to be challenged when things are so seriously wrong that the program is falling apart.

Besides, can this guy recruit...? You cant win anything with a bunch of head bangers and no skill players.
 
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What a suck-up, apologetic article that was. Christ, anyone can win if you have top flight talent on your team. For six years, Grant provided that. Why'd he leave, anyway?

TIMMAY made his own bed by having to do everything his way, by not utilizing the strengths of others, by thinkig he was smart enough to do it all himself.

Yale just scored the OT goal to beat lowell. But if that Lowell defenseman had just played the body instead of trying to poke-check the puck TIMMAY-style, that goal never would have been scored.
 
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“My brand of hockey is like smash-mouth football,” said the 46-year-old Corkum. “I like physical teams that play with a high tempo. We will be disciplined and the players will be held accountable on and off the ice.”

I like the sound of this!

He is parroting what he knows the fans want to hear. He obviously wants the job and may be a good head coach, but he certainly can't recruit (shared it with Kerluke). Recruiting has been one of the major issues and the next head coach needs to hire a competent recruiter who can sell Orono over other Hockey East schools.
 
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I agree bandie.
Yep only this country can never let someone's past go. He made a mistake and not a big one at that. Yes it was a mistake but in no way should it reflect on his character. Has he learned from it? hopefully and won't do it again ,but should not be a deterrent for his job.
It's not something everyone else hasn't done.
I honestly no of know one who has never driving drunk, no one, so if you no those rare people that have never done it, then i don't believe you but good for you. If the head of the maine state police training for drunk driving gets an oui and not fired while being a cop then in no way should he should not be hired for a mistake in which he was not a head coach.
 
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I agree bandie.
Yep only this country can never let someone's past go. He made a mistake and not a big one at that. Yes it was a mistake but in no way should it reflect on his character. Has he learned from it? hopefully and won't do it again ,but should not be a deterrent for his job.
It's not something everyone else hasn't done.
I honestly no of know one who has never driving drunk, no one, so if you no those rare people that have never done it, then i don't believe you but good for you. If the head of the maine state police training for drunk driving gets an oui and not fired while being a cop then in no way should he should not be hired for a mistake in which he was not a head coach.

A university head coach is a role model and leader of young people. If this incident had occurred while employed by the university, it would have created a spectacle of the academic integrity of the institution and could potentially lead to dismissal based on the nature and circumstances of the incident. Alcohol abuse at institutions of higher learning on the part of its leaders is taken very seriously, particularly in cases where the lives of others are threatened.
 
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Denver Post reporting Montgomery is a finalist....I guess they're not too concerned about the alleged DUI(s)
 
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It's not something everyone else hasn't done.
I honestly no of know one who has never driving drunk, no one, so if you no those rare people that have never done it, then i don't believe you but good for you.
Are you serious?
 
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I agree bandie.
Yep only this country can never let someone's past go. He made a mistake and not a big one at that. Yes it was a mistake but in no way should it reflect on his character. Has he learned from it? hopefully and won't do it again ,but should not be a deterrent for his job.
It's not something everyone else hasn't done.
I honestly no of know one who has never driving drunk, no one, so if you no those rare people that have never done it, then i don't believe you but good for you.

You seriously need some new friends...
 
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Are you serious?

I'm sure in my younger days I've had a few too many but thought I was fine. One time that I remember in particular is my senior year of college. I was out with a bunch of firefighters because my friend that was a firefighter/paramedic was getting married (they already had a party with "entertainment" at the station some other night which I unfortunately missed). I tried to limit/pace my consumption but still had at least one drink at every bar we went to. I lost track of how many I had, but when it was time to head back to my apartment I assured them (and the police officer that had joined us by that time) that I was fine to drive (at that point I probably hadn't had a drink in an hour). In retrospect I am sure if I had been pulled over I would have been over the legal limit. "Buzzed driving is drunk driving"

I can definitely see how it can happen to someone, but I don't agree with the original poster that is is a normal thing and something everyone has done. I do think there are a lot of people that have driven over the legal limit and probably didn't even realize it.
 
I'm sure in my younger days I've had a few too many but thought I was fine. One time that I remember in particular is my senior year of college. I was out with a bunch of firefighters because my friend that was a firefighter/paramedic was getting married (they already had a party with "entertainment" at the station some other night which I unfortunately missed). I tried to limit/pace my consumption but still had at least one drink at every bar we went to. I lost track of how many I had, but when it was time to head back to my apartment I assured them (and the police officer that had joined us by that time) that I was fine to drive (at that point I probably hadn't had a drink in an hour). In retrospect I am sure if I had been pulled over I would have been over the legal limit. "Buzzed driving is drunk driving"

I can definitely see how it can happen to someone.

But everyone you know?
 
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Well said and I agree. I still think he is a hard sell to the general public that knows little about Maine hockey other than Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Anyone who watched Bob play knows what a hard worker he was. But he doesn't have a hat trick in a Nat'l Championship game :)

I agree with it being a tough sell to the general causal fan for sure. I can't really judge Jim and his coaching career, because I only know about the snipets that are talked about on here. I have never seen him coach etc. I just hope that they take their time, make a fully informed decision and place a person in the position that has deep rooted ties to Maine.
 
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Are you serious?
And if what you heard is true, twice.
I know I've been over the legal limit and driven, more than once in my youth(not proud to say BTW) lucky I never got caught or even luckier never hurt anyone.

I don't know when these alleged events happened, the further back you go the less I'm concerned about it but it still reflects on him.
 
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