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Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
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trixR4kids
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
SteveP has. With you it's the Garner thing. Sorry I don't think you victim blamed the Cleveland kid so I apologize for lumping you in with him for that.
SteveP has. With you it's the Garner thing. Sorry I don't think you victim blamed the Cleveland kid so I apologize for lumping you in with him for that.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Will you get off the fuggin' "victim-blaming" thing? Can you honestly not see how a detailed analysis of a chaotic situation can lead people to point out that Party A could have, in hindsight, done things differently to avoid or resolve a confrontation, while at the same time concluding that Party B acted improperly? Very few situations in life boil down to a pure white hat/black hat scenario.
Will you get off the fuggin' "victim-blaming" thing? Can you honestly not see how a detailed analysis of a chaotic situation can lead people to point out that Party A could have, in hindsight, done things differently to avoid or resolve a confrontation, while at the same time concluding that Party B acted improperly? Very few situations in life boil down to a pure white hat/black hat scenario.
trixR4kids
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Constantly pointing out those specific details that are mostly irrelevant is a form of victim blaming.
Constantly pointing out those specific details that are mostly irrelevant is a form of victim blaming.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
It's now turned into a very dangerous game of chicken. Does anyone back down and actually return to peace, or does war happen?
Another police officer dies in line of duty
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-north-pinellas/officer-killed-in-tarpon-springs-shooting
It's now turned into a very dangerous game of chicken. Does anyone back down and actually return to peace, or does war happen?
trixR4kids
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
NO, IT'S NOT. If something bad happens, are we no longer allowed to analyze the actions of all parties in the run-up to the incident? Are the decedant's actions to be ignored completely? That doesn't seem wise, or an effective way to learn from a tragic situation.
To take it away from the hot-button cases: let's say a person starts crossing a street without looking for traffic, and gets killed by a car. Since that person is now dead, do you believe it irrelevant that they didn't look for cars before proceeding into the street, because of pedestrian right-of-way? Is saying that checking for traffic would have prevented their death "victim-blaming?"
Constantly pointing out those specific details that are mostly irrelevant is a form of victim blaming.
NO, IT'S NOT. If something bad happens, are we no longer allowed to analyze the actions of all parties in the run-up to the incident? Are the decedant's actions to be ignored completely? That doesn't seem wise, or an effective way to learn from a tragic situation.
To take it away from the hot-button cases: let's say a person starts crossing a street without looking for traffic, and gets killed by a car. Since that person is now dead, do you believe it irrelevant that they didn't look for cars before proceeding into the street, because of pedestrian right-of-way? Is saying that checking for traffic would have prevented their death "victim-blaming?"
trixR4kids
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
This is a terrible comparison and you know it. In your scenario it's much closer to 50/50 in terms of fault (depending on whether the person was jay walking or what have you). In the Cleveland kid's case or in the Garner case it's not even close.
To take it away from the hot-button cases: let's say a person starts crossing a street without looking for traffic, and gets killed by a car. Since that person is now dead, do you believe it irrelevant that they didn't look for cars before proceeding into the street, because of pedestrian right-of-way? Is saying that checking for traffic would have prevented their death "victim-blaming?"
This is a terrible comparison and you know it. In your scenario it's much closer to 50/50 in terms of fault (depending on whether the person was jay walking or what have you). In the Cleveland kid's case or in the Garner case it's not even close.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
In a discussion of the consequences (or lack thereof) that the driver faces for his actions, yeah, the pedestrian's lack of looking both ways is pretty much irrelevant. The driver shouldn't have hit the pedestrian regardless of any failure by the pedestrian to exercise appropriate caution--the pedestrian's lack of caution has nothing to do with the driver's wrongdoing. Continuously focusing on the lack of caution by the pedestrian in a discussing about what consequences the driver should face would look an awful lot like an attempt to direct attention away from the driver.
NO, IT'S NOT. If something bad happens, are we no longer allowed to analyze the actions of all parties in the run-up to the incident? Are the decedant's actions to be ignored completely? That doesn't seem wise, or an effective way to learn from a tragic situation.
To take it away from the hot-button cases: let's say a person starts crossing a street without looking for traffic, and gets killed by a car. Since that person is now dead, do you believe it irrelevant that they didn't look for cars before proceeding into the street, because of pedestrian right-of-way? Is saying that checking for traffic would have prevented their death "victim-blaming?"
In a discussion of the consequences (or lack thereof) that the driver faces for his actions, yeah, the pedestrian's lack of looking both ways is pretty much irrelevant. The driver shouldn't have hit the pedestrian regardless of any failure by the pedestrian to exercise appropriate caution--the pedestrian's lack of caution has nothing to do with the driver's wrongdoing. Continuously focusing on the lack of caution by the pedestrian in a discussing about what consequences the driver should face would look an awful lot like an attempt to direct attention away from the driver.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
I believe they call something like the pedestrian's complete inattentiveness a "mitigating factor" when discussing the driver's culpability. Therefore, it's entirely relevant.
In a discussion of the consequences (or lack thereof) that the driver faces for his actions, yeah, the pedestrian's lack of looking both ways is pretty much irrelevant. The driver shouldn't have hit the pedestrian regardless of any failure by the pedestrian to exercise appropriate caution--the pedestrian's lack of caution has nothing to do with the driver's wrongdoing. Continuously focusing on the lack of caution by the pedestrian in a discussing about what consequences the driver should face would look an awful lot like an attempt to direct attention away from the driver.
I believe they call something like the pedestrian's complete inattentiveness a "mitigating factor" when discussing the driver's culpability. Therefore, it's entirely relevant.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
If a pedestrian decides to step out in the road, 5-10 feet in front of a car....good luck stopping/swerving in time, depending on speed.
I believe they call something like the pedestrian's complete inattentiveness a "mitigating factor" when discussing the driver's culpability. Therefore, it's entirely relevant.
If a pedestrian decides to step out in the road, 5-10 feet in front of a car....good luck stopping/swerving in time, depending on speed.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
So basically, if we apply that back to the cases at hand, the police officer's culpability is mitigated because interacting with police officers can lead to death, so they shouldn't have done something that would lead to their interacting with police officers...wow.
I believe they call something like the pedestrian's complete inattentiveness a "mitigating factor" when discussing the driver's culpability. Therefore, it's entirely relevant.
So basically, if we apply that back to the cases at hand, the police officer's culpability is mitigated because interacting with police officers can lead to death, so they shouldn't have done something that would lead to their interacting with police officers...wow.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
The shortened version of your post:
Don't commit a crime.
Huh.
So basically, if we apply that back to the cases at hand, the police officer's culpability is mitigated because interacting with police officers can lead to death, so they shouldn't have done something that would lead to their interacting with police officers...wow.
The shortened version of your post:
Don't commit a crime.
Huh.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
So doing something that would lead to interaction with police is akin to stepping out 5-10 feet in front of a car?
If a pedestrian decides to step out in the road, 5-10 feet in front of a car....good luck stopping/swerving in time, depending on speed.
So doing something that would lead to interaction with police is akin to stepping out 5-10 feet in front of a car?
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
I was referring to the pedestrian situation only. Nothing more, nothing less.
So doing something that would lead to interaction with police is akin to stepping out 5-10 feet in front of a car?
I was referring to the pedestrian situation only. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
What crime had Tamir Rice committed? What crime had the guy who picked up a toy gun in Wal-Mart commit?
The shortened version of your post:
Don't commit a crime.
Huh.
What crime had Tamir Rice committed? What crime had the guy who picked up a toy gun in Wal-Mart commit?
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Do you disagree with the premise that breaking the law and resisting arrest are surefire ways to increase your risk in life? If I get pulled over for speeding, even for just 1 mph over the limit, and instead of being polite, flip the cop off and floor it, I shouldn't expect there to be a welcoming committee waiting for me when the officers catch up.So basically, if we apply that back to the cases at hand, the police officer's culpability is mitigated because interacting with police officers can lead to death, so they shouldn't have done something that would lead to their interacting with police officers...wow.
Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Already covered the Tamir situation. Pay attention.
What crime had Tamir Rice committed? What crime had the guy who picked up a toy gun in Wal-Mart commit?
Already covered the Tamir situation. Pay attention.
MadTownSioux
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Re: Bad Cop, Bad Cop, Whatcha gonna do?
Madison Hippie points gun at police and ... DOESN'T get shot! How do you explain this, Dude?
Madison Hippie points gun at police and ... DOESN'T get shot! How do you explain this, Dude?
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