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ASU Hockey
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Re: ASU Hockey
It's merely a rumor as of now; I found out about it this weekend from a known name in the business. 4 schools. Canisius, Mercyhurst, RIT, and I forget the 4th (might have been Niagara). It's a scholarship limit thing. They want more scholarships, AHA doesn't.
I was unaware of the 2 year indie plan with ASU, but given all the particulars of joining a conference (scheduling being one of them), and it being this late in the year, next season being indie makes sense. Join in 2017-18.
It's merely a rumor as of now; I found out about it this weekend from a known name in the business. 4 schools. Canisius, Mercyhurst, RIT, and I forget the 4th (might have been Niagara). It's a scholarship limit thing. They want more scholarships, AHA doesn't.
I was unaware of the 2 year indie plan with ASU, but given all the particulars of joining a conference (scheduling being one of them), and it being this late in the year, next season being indie makes sense. Join in 2017-18.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Re: ASU Hockey
Sidebar: Can RIT offer scholarships? I thought they came in after any new D-III play-ups were told that they can't offer them...
Sidebar: Can RIT offer scholarships? I thought they came in after any new D-III play-ups were told that they can't offer them...
Re: ASU Hockey
From my limited understanding, and this came from another poster on GPL, AHA limits teams to 12 scholarships, the 4 schools in question want 18. I am not very familiar with eastern hockey and their practices. Just reporting what I heard this weekend. If anyone can offer more info, please do. Given the developments over the past couple of years, college hockey is in a very strange place right now. I cannot discount anything at this point.
From my limited understanding, and this came from another poster on GPL, AHA limits teams to 12 scholarships, the 4 schools in question want 18. I am not very familiar with eastern hockey and their practices. Just reporting what I heard this weekend. If anyone can offer more info, please do. Given the developments over the past couple of years, college hockey is in a very strange place right now. I cannot discount anything at this point.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: ASU Hockey
So if they left the conference, they COULD offer scholarships? The people I were with were wondering why THESE particular schools were named...and the scholarships would explain it.
So if they left the conference, they COULD offer scholarships? The people I were with were wondering why THESE particular schools were named...and the scholarships would explain it.
Canisius, Niagra, RIT, Robert Morris, and Buffalo sat down and talked with Bowling Green about saving the CCHA before BG joined the WCHA.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: ASU Hockey
RIT may want the higher profile... they have a different dynamic where they are VERY locally popular. That doesn't change that RIT can't offer scholarships.
RIT may want the higher profile... they have a different dynamic where they are VERY locally popular. That doesn't change that RIT can't offer scholarships.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: ASU Hockey
The notion that AH has teams that want to leave due the the scholarship rules is behind the times. They raised the limit once and are most likely going to raise it again. Now certainly a team might want to find a new conference, but not because of the number of scholarships.
Also, RIT has a good team in a real nice rink. Much nicer than ASU has, and with a great atmosphere, also better than ASU.
The notion that AH has teams that want to leave due the the scholarship rules is behind the times. They raised the limit once and are most likely going to raise it again. Now certainly a team might want to find a new conference, but not because of the number of scholarships.
Also, RIT has a good team in a real nice rink. Much nicer than ASU has, and with a great atmosphere, also better than ASU.
AMC
Registered User
Re: ASU Hockey
To be perfectly clear, this isn't a conference regulation but a D-III regulation. RIT cannot offer hockey scholarships and continue to participate in Division III athletics in the rest of its sports.
Maybe RIT is looking to move its entire athletic program up to D-II or D-I?
To be perfectly clear, this isn't a conference regulation but a D-III regulation. RIT cannot offer hockey scholarships and continue to participate in Division III athletics in the rest of its sports.
Maybe RIT is looking to move its entire athletic program up to D-II or D-I?
ritBLKnORGsuit
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Nope RIT has been asking for the rules to be changed so we can be like RPI and Clarkson and allowed to offer scholarships since no other DIII schools can be a DI play up in single sport. DII is not financially smart for RIT right now any way. There are a lot of DIII programs close by we can play without having to spend money on hotels. That wouldn't be the case in DII which would mean more money on traveling for sports that don't draw like our hockey teams do now or did before we moved up.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
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It's a little confusing to casual fans who wonder why a series against a league opponent doesn't count, but it's not unheard of. A few east coast teams have similar agreements where if they cannot fill their non-conference schedule, they will work together to schedule non-conference games against fellow league mates.
NMU had a similar issue happen when the WCHA accepted UAH as their 10th. NMU had a non-conference agreement with UAH for home and home series over two years. The second year fell into the first year of UAH's membership in the WCHA. NMU and UAH agreed to delay their non-conference game until last year, when they only played each other twice in league play.
It's a little confusing to casual fans who wonder why a series against a league opponent doesn't count, but it's not unheard of. A few east coast teams have similar agreements where if they cannot fill their non-conference schedule, they will work together to schedule non-conference games against fellow league mates.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: ASU Hockey
SCSU - Played three years independent as D-1 before joining WCHA (but I believe had a scheduling agreement with all WCHA teams).
Niagara - Played two years independent as D-1 before joining AHA.
Mankato - Played three years independent as D-1 before joining WCHA (again, I recall them having an agreement with the WCHA also).
Nebraska Omaha - Played one year as independent D-1 before applying to the CCHA associate member the following year then being granted full membership.
Sacred Heart - Played six years as independent D-1 before joining MAAC.
Penn State - Played two years as independent D-1 before imploding college hockey... err... joining B1G.
It all depends on the school and any scheduling commitments that they can set up. It does appear that the recent trend has been to have some league in mind, play a couple years to get your feet wet, and hit the ground running.
And the AHA defection rumor has been around, I do trust your source even though mine have not seen the same smoke signals being sent. Always had an inkling that the CCHA would return. I still feel that three MAC schools will head up the return of the CCHA.
I think the two year independent seems to be the norm for new teams.
SCSU - Played three years independent as D-1 before joining WCHA (but I believe had a scheduling agreement with all WCHA teams).
Niagara - Played two years independent as D-1 before joining AHA.
Mankato - Played three years independent as D-1 before joining WCHA (again, I recall them having an agreement with the WCHA also).
Nebraska Omaha - Played one year as independent D-1 before applying to the CCHA associate member the following year then being granted full membership.
Sacred Heart - Played six years as independent D-1 before joining MAAC.
Penn State - Played two years as independent D-1 before imploding college hockey... err... joining B1G.
It all depends on the school and any scheduling commitments that they can set up. It does appear that the recent trend has been to have some league in mind, play a couple years to get your feet wet, and hit the ground running.
And the AHA defection rumor has been around, I do trust your source even though mine have not seen the same smoke signals being sent. Always had an inkling that the CCHA would return. I still feel that three MAC schools will head up the return of the CCHA.
Re: ASU Hockey
Wouldn't it be something if this actually came about it some way, shape, or form? Talk about a shakeup....
Wouldn't it be something if this actually came about it some way, shape, or form? Talk about a shakeup....
Not if.......when. The current model of conferences isn't sustainable. Question is, will ASU be the catalyst towards a more sensible layout?
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When is prob a given. But this "soon" after the NaCHO/B1G Mistake? That's kinda wild.
When is prob a given. But this "soon" after the NaCHO/B1G Mistake? That's kinda wild.
Re: ASU Hockey
Seems like all options for the new Arena are still on the table.
https://arizonastate.n.rivals.com/n...n-the-ground-on-new-facility-within-24-months
Seems like all options for the new Arena are still on the table.
https://arizonastate.n.rivals.com/n...n-the-ground-on-new-facility-within-24-months
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: ASU Hockey
This is not good news.
This is not good news.