Antiwork

[Kepler]

An advantage of being an Old. When Lumbergh says "If you could work this weekend that'd be great" I reply "Let's table that discussion until Monday!" on my way out.

As god is my witness I'll never work > 40 again nor will the people under me.

 

[jerphisch]

An advantage of being an Old. When Lumbergh says "If you could work this weekend that'd be great" I reply "Let's table that discussion until Monday!" on my way out.

As god is my witness I'll never work > 40 again nor will the people under me.

I feel the same way and never ask anyone to, but some of those people may still have ambition and do it anyway. Silly kids...

 

[Kepler]

I feel the same way and never ask anyone to, but some of those people may still have ambition and do it anyway. Silly kids...

It's false hustle. People get burned out and you're paying them for sh-t work.

I've tried to spread this gospel everywhere I've gone. Some managers get it, some are still HURR TEH LONG HOURS EQUAL COMMITMENT DURR !!!!

If my direct needs to work overtime to accomplish her tasks then either (1) she's inefficient and I should find somebody else or (2) I suck at scoping her work and she shouldn't pay for my idiocy.

 

[unofan]

It's false hustle. People get burned out and you're paying them for sh-t work.

I've tried to spread this gospel everywhere I've gone. Some managers get it, some are still HURR TEH LONG HOURS EQUAL COMMITMENT DURR !!!!

If my direct needs to work overtime to accomplish her tasks then either (1) she's inefficient and I should find somebody else or (2) I suck at scoping her work and she shouldn't pay for my idiocy.

Meh, there are legitimate times overtime is necessary. Did something unexpected happen? Are there certain tasks that have to be done in a certain order, with an inherent rush to complete steps B,C, and D after A is completed so that E can move forward in a timely manner?

My wife and I both know that if we're in trial, we're working 12+ hour days till closings are done. It's unavoidable.

Yes, overtime should absolutely not be the norm and should be discouraged. But a blanket prohibition ignores that reality often throws curveballs at the most inopportune times.

 

[Kepler]

Emergencies, yes.

But (1) if you're having emergencies every month then somebody in senior management is doing a terrible job, and (2) that extra work is going to be shoddy and as hours extend of such vanishing value that it eventually becomes counterproductive. People have to recharge, they are not machines.

My definition of an emergency is call the CEO. If she thinks it is important enough that she will come in, then OK. If you don't have the stones to call her then why should anybody else come in? You can't just have a system where your underlings will always absorb bad management. That's no longer work, it's a death march, and only workers with no other options will continue under those circumstances.

Things are finally changing. Being battered is no longer a workplace expectation; it's assault.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...

 

[MissThundercat]

I'll give credit to my Meijer lead: no more going over 40.

She saw us looking stressed as all hell and decided to give us a break.

That said, I still won't see a Saturday or Sunday to myself unless specifically requested.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Meh, there are legitimate times overtime is necessary. Did something unexpected happen? Are there certain tasks that have to be done in a certain order, with an inherent rush to complete steps B,C, and D after A is completed so that E can move forward in a timely manner?

My wife and I both know that if we're in trial, we're working 12+ hour days till closings are done. It's unavoidable.

Yes, overtime should absolutely not be the norm and should be discouraged. But a blanket prohibition ignores that reality often throws curveballs at the most inopportune times.

I tend to agree. There are legit times. I managed an emergency project once, and it met Kepler's definition to boot. The CEO received daily updates up the management chain. I had unlimited spending and resources. I ended up working 31 days straight and was given comp days and a nice bonus from the manufacturing budget (which... never happens since we're corporate). That emergency was shutting down the first plants after three days. So it happens.

the big reason I'm working these weekends is to be done and over with this anchor around my neck. This has been by far the worst project I've ever had. It's also is a very important process and downtime is a premium. The only reason we're not doing three shifts is because we're short on labor.

 

[Kepler]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...

That'd help. Everybody I'm talking about is exempt.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

That'd help. Everybody I'm talking about is exempt.

Officially I am too, but I’m union.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Also, money...if you get paid 1.5x for first OT shift of the month and 2x for any other...

Wow, wish I had yours. Ours is 1.5x for anything past 8 hours or the sixth day of the week, 2x for seventh day.

 

[Swansong]

Emergencies, yes.

But (1) if you're having emergencies every month then somebody in senior management is doing a terrible job, and (2) that extra work is going to be shoddy and as hours extend of such vanishing value that it eventually becomes counterproductive. People have to recharge, they are not machines.

My definition of an emergency is call the CEO. If she thinks it is important enough that she will come in, then OK. If you don't have the stones to call her then why should anybody else come in? You can't just have a system where your underlings will always absorb bad management. That's no longer work, it's a death march, and only workers with no other options will continue under those circumstances.

Things are finally changing. Being battered is no longer a workplace expectation; it's assault.

I mostly agree with this. We're paid for and expected to work 40 hours per week. I also work in an industry that is ... a bit more variable and during the pandemic, absolutely slammed. So I don't mind at all if some weeks push 50+, so long as no one hassles me for leaving early when it's slower. We have a couple of managers on the operations side that seem to think "emergency" means "any time I want something done", and we politely refuse.


Summer of 2020 we got hit with a ransomware attack and I easily worked 70-80 hours for a few weeks straight, and then left early every other day and took like a month of friday's off (without using PTO). It didn't totally balance out, but close enough. I also ended up getting the biggest raise of my entire life last month, in no small part because of the amount of work I've done since March of 2020.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Yesterday we had a storm come through the area and it took out power to our building around 4:15pm. Got sent home at 4:45pm when the power was still out (5pm is normal dismissal).

Went in today to work OT (I work a Sat-Tue schedule) only to see that power was STILL out at 6am. So instead of paying the OT rate for me to sit around with my thumb up my ass, they sent me home, ha ha....

And relating to OT: My job has it regularly. It's just the nature of the logistics business. It ebbs and flows. For me it's anything beyond your normal 8 or 10 hour shift and anything on your normal days off. If you work a holiday you will get a days worth of holiday pay on top of the OT rate that you work.

Yes, it's long hours. But it also has finally allowed me to earn a wage where I don't need to allocate every cent and I'm able to have something in reserve if things go sideways...

 

[jerphisch]

Yay, my program is part of the piece of the company being sold to some company I've never heard of that is HQ in Madison....MS. Oof...

 

[dxmnkd316]

ugh... that's not good.

 

[jerphisch]

ugh... that's not good.

Yeah I assume I'm safe in Colorado Springs at least until the Space Force HQ actually moves to Huntsville since we are with our Govt counterparts here, but given that the new company doesn't have an office west of OK I guess I'm not sure of even that. Co-workers already making jokes about if they offer Health Insurance since MS not too big on health lol

 

[Scarlet]

One of my team members is leaving - her last day is tomorrow. Our manager is still on maternity leave till October 6th. We've had a contractor on board since early May but I found out she's transitioning to a full time role in one of our business units starting on the 27th. So, my life for the next month will be CRAZY till we can bring someone new on board. And when my manager comes back from maternity leave, she is going to help out another group on our team that is losing two members at the same time due to maternity leave.

 

[burd]

One of my team members is leaving - her last day is tomorrow. Our manager is still on maternity leave till October 6th. We've had a contractor on board since early May but I found out she's transitioning to a full time role in one of our business units starting on the 27th. So, my life for the next month will be CRAZY till we can bring someone new on board. And when my manager comes back from maternity leave, she is going to help out another group on our team that is losing two members at the same time due to maternity leave.

There you go, you see. Managing a business and having a working uterus just ain't compatible. Don't know why liberals can't see this.

 

[Kepler]

My crossover completed! Tomorrow I give 2 weeks notice on a job I have held almost 16 years. Excited / terrified.

 

[Swansong]

So this is a crummy situation.

I work for Hospital A. We're small, and are clumping up with a few others to form a large health company (we're the second biggest employer in the state now, not just of healthcare). Hospital B is much larger and uses the same EHR as we do, so we work together a whole lot on shared work and parent company directives. It's great, actually. I'm a low-level manager and meet regularly with my counterparts (Who are higher level, but I'd be there if we were a bigger company). Anyway...


One of my former employees left for a great opportunity a couple years ago. She decided she wanted out, so reached out to me. At the time I didn't have any openings, but Hospital B needed someone, and who they needed was pretty much exactly my former employee. So my manager and I both wrote up glowing recommendations, and she got hired there. Meanwhile, that workgroup at Hospital B lost their team lead and a very senior employee in the same week, so they're hurting badly. My old employee to the rescue!


But no. Their company policies made her miserable. Change control rules, red tape, approvals, daily "work from home reports" and she gave her notice today. She's miserable and depressed. She had tipped me off yesterday and I kept it to myself until she talked to her manager there (I did strongly recommend she talk to him, who I like a lot and is super, super reasonable. Honestly I'd work for him in a heartbeat). Sadly it didn't work out and she gave her notice.


Sucks. Our open position is finally posted, so a big part of me wants to hire her (she's an outstanding employee), but:

• I absolutely don't want to give the appearance of poaching her, which would be hard to avoid
• Since we (my hospital and the other) now work for the same big company, my hospital's more free-wheeling rules are absolutely going to have to tighten up. I'd hate to hire her and then 9 months later have her be miserable and look to leave
• She knows we're going to have to tighten up and I don't want her to come work for us and have one foot out the door from the start

Ugh. Sucks!