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MissThundercat said:
In the meantime, I'm trying to find something else that will help cover financial gaps and doesn't mind if I leave in December.
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DO NOT mention this. Also don't give a crap about taking a job for 3-4 months... Employers put their people through the ringer and don't give two craps about you. Gone are the days of "correctly leaving a job"... I'm not saying go full-on HALF-BAKED on your way out, but simply giving two weeks notice if you are walking away is all that is needed. Don't mention that you have something else in the works for the new year. If you need to stay at that job after, you can save face and don't look like you are settling with that employer.
 
RaceBoarder said:
DO NOT mention this. Also don't give a crap about taking a job for 3-4 months... Employers put their people through the ringer and don't give two craps about you. Gone are the days of "correctly leaving a job"... I'm not saying go full-on HALF-BAKED on your way out, but simply giving two weeks notice if you are walking away is all that is needed. Don't mention that you have something else in the works for the new year. If you need to stay at that job after, you can save face and don't look like you are settling with that employer.
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You are not required to give any notice (two weeks or otherwise) to quit a job, unless you have contractually agreed to do so through some sort of employment agreement. A lot of employers tell you that you need to give two weeks notice, but you don't have to. Smart employers who would like two weeks notice will offer some sort of incentive, like some sort of severance pay, in exchange.
 
SJHovey said:
You are not required to give any notice (two weeks or otherwise) to quit a job, unless you have contractually agreed to do so through some sort of employment agreement. A lot of employers tell you that you need to give two weeks notice, but you don't have to. Smart employers who would like two weeks notice will offer some sort of incentive, like some sort of severance pay, in exchange.
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Exactly. The only reason you don't do that is if you ever plan on returning or you need references.

That said, i'd still give two weeks because I'm a good guy. Their choice to escort me to the door and pay me for two weeks vacation or let me finish out.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Exactly. The only reason you don't do that is if you ever plan on returning or you need references.

That said, i'd still give two weeks because I'm a good guy. Their choice to escort me to the door and pay me for two weeks vacation or let me finish out.
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Why would they pay you the two weeks? At will works both ways - nobody owes nobody nothin'.
 
LynahFan said:
Why would they pay you the two weeks? At will works both ways - nobody owes nobody nothin'.
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If I'm escorted out the door the day I submit my two weeks, I get paid the two weeks. That's how the contract works. Maybe for a POS job, you don't have that.

In the end, I'll be submitting over a month in advance, but that will be retirement. And who knows, if I'm lucky, I'll get 6 months pay, as people are getting right now.
 
LynahFan said:
Why would they pay you the two weeks? At will works both ways - nobody owes nobody nothin'.
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There's an argument (supported by case law in some states) that "at-will employment" is actually a series of contracts based on how often the employee is paid. So, if I'm paid every two weeks, and at the beginning of the pay cycle I tell my employer that will be my last employment cycle, and the employer then terminates my employment, they would owe the rest of the pay cycle.
 
LynahFan said:
Why would they pay you the two weeks? At will works both ways - nobody owes nobody nothin'.
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Because if they did that, in theory you could go after them for unemployment for those 2 weeks. And by the time they deal with that and take the hit to their UI insurance rates, it's simpler and easier for them to just pay you 2 weeks' salary to go away.
 
I realize I'm pretty well done at my current position. Just passed mile 26 and can hear bells at the finish line.

Meijer was good for why I needed it and it's okay to leave.
 
So, I am changing jobs and in my new role I am going to be a PM and will concentrate on being constructive and positive. Thus, I can no longer promise regular deliveries of snark. I believe we have plenty of other resources to pick up the slack, however. It has been an honor to serve so long in that capacity.

OTOH, you will get more positivity and support. If you're into that kind of thing.
 
Kepler said:
So, I am changing jobs and in my new role I am going to be a PM and will concentrate on being constructive and positive. Thus, I can no longer promise regular deliveries of snark. I believe we have plenty of other resources to pick up the slack, however. It has been an honor to serve so long in that capacity.

OTOH, you will get more positivity and support. If you're into that kind of thing.
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I need more pay if I'm going to pick up that workload.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Good luck, but being in the same boat I've found the snark still slips out when a project is trending red, or a customer or coworker is particularly...uh..."difficult".
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Hit me up on the reddit PM sub. It's going to be very easy to figure out who I am based on name. I'd love to hear your experiences and advice because despite being a confident person I have First Day of School jitters about changing careers and could use the support.

My plan for dealing with the difficult stakeholders is go full Ted Lasso on them.
 
I've been a PM for capital projects at a large company for over a decade now. Sometimes snark is appropriate, though almost never in email.

I'll give you the same advice I was given by one of the best PMs my company has had: You can be late, you can be overspent, and you can be late and overspent. What matters in the end is you deliver a working process.

One other bit of advice from our most senior PM currently. Never take anything personally. You're going to get beat up a lot and it won't be your fault. Your job is to deliver.

And be honest. If you're going to be late/overspent, tell people. They can plan around that.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I've been a PM for capital projects at a large company for over a decade now. Sometimes snark is appropriate, though almost never in email.

I'll give you the same advice I was given by one of the best PMs my company has had: You can be late, you can be overspent, and you can be late and overspent. What matters in the end is you deliver a working process.

One other bit of advice from our most senior PM currently. Never take anything personally. You're going to get beat up a lot and it won't be your fault. Your job is to deliver.

And be honest. If you're going to be late/overspent, tell people. They can plan around that.
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Thank you, this all helps and is highly inuitive.

I believe in transparency and honesty and giving people the room they need and want to get jobs done.
 
I do a lot of small-scale project management (mostly developing and implementing new workflows). It's never easy but I agree with above advice. Be as transparent as possible, hold people accountable to the best of your ability, and daily check-ins are key. Ignore the whining about them.

A daily standup for 15-30 minutes doesn't material take away from anyone's day and it lets you get almost real-time updates. It also softly holds people accountable without you needing to harangue them.
 
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