Fighting Sioux 23
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I haven't looked at what the charges are, but I would imagine they are different crimes.
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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!
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I haven't looked at what the charges are, but I would imagine they are different crimes.
MichVandal
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You still think the parents are not responsible for this? Seriously?
Even if they supplied a drug dealer and knew he would go shoot someone, they would be prosecuted. They supplied a murderer AND knew he was a threat. These gun owners are the ones that are making you look like a fool. Stop going to bat for them and support responsible gun ownership. Or just stop pretending you care about human life.
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Oh.
all of them can rot on murder charges. Yes drew its possible for more than one person to be charged as adult in a crime.
“Ethan Crumbley, a 15-year-old sophomore, made a video discussing ways of killing his fellow students the night before he attacked his high school, killing four students and critically injuring multiple others. Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald stated that the attack was premeditated, pointing to a “mountain of digital evidence” that authorities had recovered.
“This was not just an impulsive act,” she said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...eaO7iYcMQXJXl_oQU0HRTXt1T9CZXqJ4siLxxUs2LuQQE
all of them can rot on murder charges. Yes drew its possible for more than one person to be charged as adult in a crime.
“Ethan Crumbley, a 15-year-old sophomore, made a video discussing ways of killing his fellow students the night before he attacked his high school, killing four students and critically injuring multiple others. Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald stated that the attack was premeditated, pointing to a “mountain of digital evidence” that authorities had recovered.
“This was not just an impulsive act,” she said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...eaO7iYcMQXJXl_oQU0HRTXt1T9CZXqJ4siLxxUs2LuQQE
Handyman
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Well I think Drew is asking how the parents can be considered responsible for him if he is deemed an adult by the charge. On the surface that is a bit confusing.
Of course all you have to know is that they bought him the gun underage and they ignored warnings to what he was up to which is why they are responsible. Basic levels of logic will get you there.
BTW in Minnesota anyone over 14 can be tried as an adult.
Of course all you have to know is that they bought him the gun underage and they ignored warnings to what he was up to which is why they are responsible. Basic levels of logic will get you there.
BTW in Minnesota anyone over 14 can be tried as an adult.
Kepler
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The fuck is there any bail? They are obviously a flight risk.
MichVandal
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He's pretending to know what's going on without knowing what's going on then?
He's already pointed out that the school has problems because there was a meeting between the parents and the school- and at that moment, the supplier of the gun knew that the receiver was dangerous. Even if it was adult to adult, gifting a gun to a know dangerous person seems to be a pretty big problem- gun suppliers to gangs are prosecuted even though they are not the ones pulling the trigger. This is no different than that.
The fact that they had more responsibility than just a simple gun supplier because they were is parents makes it that much worse.
But lets trace back the cry to prosecute minor criminals as adults.... from the same gun loving republicans who want to punish everyone and think that everything should be a capitol crime. Can't have it both ways there, too.
MichVandal
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More likely that they will make a plea to raise money on the behalf of the bond, only to just keep it for themselves. It's been their pattern. And people bend over and beg for another.
dxmnkd316
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That was my first question. They fled.
MichVandal
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Slap Shot
I got nothing
Are they being charged as "parents" or accessories?
Also why more of you don't have that sfb drew on ignore is astounding.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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SiegHeilMe, or whatever conservative fundraising platform the fash are using these days.
Yeah, I think you kind of have to go one way or another. Either he is old/mature enough to be responsible or he isn’t.
I don’t love the idea of parents being held responsible for what their kids do. I’m not talking specifically about this case but in general I hope we don’t see more of that moving forward. It’s hard enough being a parent without being made to carry the can for what your kids do.
I hope one takeaway from this thing is adults listen to kids more. They obviously had a lot better idea what was going than the school’s administration.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I don't know the intricacies of Michigan criminal law, so I could be mistaken. However, I don't believe it matters that the morons who supplied the kid with deadly weapons are his parents. At least, none of the elements of involuntary manslaughter require it.
FWIW, I think we should have strict liability for gun crimes. Someone commits a crime with a gun that you own? You're also going to jail as though you committed that crime. Be a more responsible gun owner.
I’d definitely be in favor of that if you give someone a gun. If someone takes a gun from you it’s more of a gray area.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I think you could potentially have some, extremelylimited exceptions. If someone shoots you, you start bleeding out and become unconscious, and then they take your gun. Maybe. But someone breaks into your house and steals your gun. Nope. Be a more responsible gun owner.
RaceBoarder
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Exactly... Allow an exception for documented cases of a safe being ILLEGALLY opened (logic says that the person committing this act would be charged with theft), but that is about it.
If you aren't using a safe/LEGIT lock-box, you're fucked...
MichVandal
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How do you feel about gun suppliers to drug gangs who go out and kill people?
Again, the idea of prosecuting a minor as an adult comes from your side. This is the policy your votes has gotten all over the country to make sure they are penalized. And none of that matters where the parents are not being responsible for their kids.
You keep trying to make some kind of excuse for the parents who gave the kid the gun. And then didn't secure it WHEN THEY KNEW HE WAS A THREAT. They are accessories to murder. They are lucky to be only charged with involuntary manslaughter.
I also think we should have strict gun storage laws, where if your gun is used in a crime in any way, you hold some responsibility. Which will make sure only the responsible owners are the ones armed. Unless that whole thing is just a joke.
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