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Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

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Caustic Undertow

Don't read this message. Really.
I mean, c'mon. Congratulations MSU Mankato! As a reward for a great season, one of the best in program history, you get to travel to Rhode Island to play in Providence. Who do you get to play? That's right: Providence! It's alright, though, because the HEA champion doesn't have to travel far--after all, there are three regionals within a five-hour drive of Boston.

Ok, being a bit more serious: Simply hosting the 8 games at the home rink of the top 8 seeds would require the same amount of travel. It would provide much better atmospheres for both home and road teams, and sell more tickets. It would reward smaller schools that make the top 8. It would just be plain better.

This argument has a long history on this board. You can find the threads if you're so inclined. In short: The hockey competition committee, in its management of the NCAA tournament regionals, actively harms the sport.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Last I saw on this, coaches want the regional sites. They don't want on campus. Not sure if that matters since the NCAA is probably doing whatever will make the most money. They have to have number crunchers who say four sparsely attended regionals with overpriced tickets is still the way to go? Or maybe the NCAA is simply listening to the coaches. Gotta be some connected people on here who know where things stand.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

That's interesting. Was just reading a quote from Nate Leaman on CHN article about "if we want to keep these regional sites" we need attendance (ready for the Providence complaints). Especially interesting from Jackson considering Notre Dame would be playing on the road if it were on campus sites. The TV coverage would also be a lot different if there were now 8 sites instead of 4.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

MN got screwed. Wait, wrong thread.

Don't like the sites? Get your city/school to bid on it. Period.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

If you go to 8 sites, then you have to expand to 3 weekends.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Caustic Undertow said:
...The hockey competition committee, in its management of the NCAA tournament regionals, actively harms the sport...
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Selecting sites and setting up brackets may be an imperfect science. But this statement is just absurd, IMO.

The Rube said:
...Don't like the sites? Get your city/school to bid on it. Period.
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This. There are plenty of USHL venues and other medium-size arenas scattered throughout the Midwest. How come none of them seem interested in bidding?

[Irrelevant fantasy world: How about a Las Vegas FF (or even regional)]?
 
Split-N said:
Selecting sites and setting up brackets may be an imperfect science. But this statement is just absurd, IMO.



This. There are plenty of USHL venues and other medium-size arenas scattered throughout the Midwest. How come none of them seem interested in bidding?

[Irrelevant fantasy world: How about a Las Vegas FF (or even regional)]?
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I could definitely see a Vegas or Nashville FF on the horizon, even Seattle. Regionals in those venues would seem unlikely.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

They should just do like football in Europe and crown a champion at the end of the regular season. No tournaments, no playoffs. Congratulations St Cloud. Now we're all spared three weeks of whining.
 
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ticapnews said:
They should just do like football in Europe and crown a champion at the end of the regular season. No tournaments, no playoffs. Congratulations St Cloud. Now we're all spared three weeks of whining.
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no, thanks.
:)
 
Split-N said:
[Irrelevant fantasy world: How about a Las Vegas FF (or even regional)]?
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Arena probably too big for a regional (still laughing about when they had a regional in St. Louis) but I don't think a FF in Vegas is a fantasy. I think that will happen at some point.
 
ticapnews said:
They should just do like football in Europe and crown a champion at the end of the regular season. No tournaments, no playoffs. Congratulations St Cloud. Now we're all spared three weeks of whining.
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except, those are the national leagues, they still have a tournament among the top teams from each top league. So, congratulations UMass (sorry NU), OSU ( sorry ND), Quinnipiac (sorry Clarkson), AIC, St. Cloud and Minnesota State.

Of course, the big issue would be how you hand out the 16 NCAA spots. The European leagues give so many slots to each league based on past performance in the tournament, but that would cause an uproar. Since we currently have a system in place that more or less works we could just use that. Top 16 qualify, except if a regular season champion is below 16 there is a play-in game or games. This year it would be AIC at Penn State to make the tournament.

Sean
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Ideal ncaa tournament format(in my opinion):
1st Round top 8 seeds host 2 of 3 series.
2nd Round top 4 remaining seeds host 2 of 3 series.
Frozen four at a neutral site single elimination just as it is now.

Yes we have to go to 3 weekends but that should be easy to do since there is already a weekend off in the current format.
 
elitehockeymind said:
Ideal ncaa tournament format(in my opinion):
1st Round top 8 seeds host 2 of 3 series.
2nd Round top 4 remaining seeds host 2 of 3 series.
Frozen four at a neutral site single elimination just as it is now.

Yes we have to go to 3 weekends but that should be easy to do since there is already a weekend off in the current format.
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So how do you get all the schools to be able to block out two weeks of 4 dates at their home rinks? For instance, Ohio State and Minnesota State’s arenas have conflicts this weekend. You can’t expect those arenas to hold those dates open.
 
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Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Why have 8 teams host and deal with all that travel and extra time. Why not merely have the top four each host four teams - three games - at their rink.
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

Caustic Undertow said:
I mean, c'mon. Congratulations MSU Mankato! As a reward for a great season, one of the best in program history, you get to travel to Rhode Island to play in Providence. Who do you get to play? That's right: Providence! It's alright, though, because the HEA champion doesn't have to travel far--after all, there are three regionals within a five-hour drive of Boston.

Ok, being a bit more serious: Simply hosting the 8 games at the home rink of the top 8 seeds would require the same amount of travel. It would provide much better atmospheres for both home and road teams, and sell more tickets. It would reward smaller schools that make the top 8. It would just be plain better.

This argument has a long history on this board. You can find the threads if you're so inclined. In short: The hockey competition committee, in its management of the NCAA tournament regionals, actively harms the sport.
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And how many times (since you cite "previous" discussions) do we have to say that the NCAA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY?
 
Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

UncleRay said:
Why have 8 teams host and deal with all that travel and extra time. Why not merely have the top four each host four teams - three games - at their rink.
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Probably 1/3 (guess) of the arenas used in college hockey can't host 4 teams to the specifications of the NCAA Tournament handbook, between available space, and available time. What happens if one of those teams is a top-4 seed?

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