What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Apparently, McCain, McConnell and others are trotting out "Repeal and Replace" as their new mantra. Which raises the question "replace what with what"? In my view, the GOP had a chance to shape/control the debate under Bush 2.0 and completely missed it. Moreover, they failed miserably to contribute in a meaningful way to the last round of hash. It will be difficult enough to "repeal" through legislative or judicial means, and I doubt the "replace" part would be any great example of legislative process either.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

You wouldn't have to repeal and replace if you didn't refuse to work with the Dems to make health care what you wanted. You decided, hey we're not going to work with you at all.

Now you want the Dems to work with you? Why now?
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Rover said:
Exactly. My sense is that for a couple of Senate votes (the two from Maine maybe) and a half dozen House votes Obama would have gone along with Tort Reform, for example. The GOP had a chance to 1) come up with their own bill endorsed by their caucus and have it scored by the CBO, or 2) worked with the Senate Finance committee who negotiated for months on end to come up with a bipartisan bil. They did neither, so too bad. You can only reach out so far to people before you realize they have no intention to reciprocate.
Click to expand...

Pssst.....stop drinking swamp water.

What you lefties fail to see is that this bill is a non-amendable POS. What the GOP has been and continued to call for through passage is to chuck it and start from scratch in a bi-part manner. No point in working on a bill when you overwhelmingly disagree with 90% of it.

It's not the GOP who lost - it's the nation that lost --- and the finger is pointed squarely at the Dems and their leadership.

BTW, anyone else pick up on the fact that anyone wanting a student loan will now have to go through the feds - due to this wonderful healthcare bill?

It's going to be a barrel of laughs watching the lefty congressional members squirm when they go back to their districts and have to explain all of the crap that got buried in this thing that they'll claim they knew nothing about.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Terrierbyassociation said:
You wouldn't have to repeal and replace if you didn't refuse to work with the Dems to make health care what you wanted. You decided, hey we're not going to work with you at all.

Now you want the Dems to work with you? Why now?
Click to expand...

This ignores one key point - the Dems never reached out to the GOP, because they knew they didn't need the GOP to pass the bill. Why do you think reconciliation was their reaction to Scott Brown's election? It was because their goal the entire time was to pass what THEY wanted, screw what the GOP wanted.

If you believe that "health care summit" was a true moment of reaching out to the GOP, I have a bridge in New York to sell you. That was political theater with the sole intention of making it look like Ogabe was interested in adding GOP ideas to the bill in the spirit of bi-partisanship and then try to paint the GOP as obstructionists.

There's just one problem - the GOP isn't in a position to obstruct ANYTHING. They didn't have the votes in the Senate before Scott Brown's election, they still don't have the votes in the House. Not to mention that no GOP ideas were actually included.

The Democrats are the ones calling the shots here. Going along with a suicidal bill was only ever going to make the GOP look as though they were in collusion with the party holding a gun to the collective heads of the American people.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

dropthatpuck said:
Pssst.....stop drinking swamp water.

What you lefties fail to see is that this bill is a non-amendable POS. What the GOP has been and continued to call for through passage is to chuck it and start from scratch in a bi-part manner. No point in working on a bill when you overwhelmingly disagree with 90% of it.

It's not the GOP who lost - it's the nation that lost --- and the finger is pointed squarely at the Dems and their leadership.

BTW, anyone else pick up on the fact that anyone wanting a student loan will now have to go through the feds - due to this wonderful healthcare bill?

It's going to be a barrel of laughs watching the lefty congressional members squirm when they go back to their districts and have to explain all of the crap that got buried in this thing that they'll claim they knew nothing about.
Click to expand...

Have you actually read the student loan provisions? It's going to save us billions of dollars every year that we were gifting the banks. We were giving them subsidies to give student loans and then guaranteeing them to boot! Why give them subsidies and guaranteeing them? Now we're eliminating that handout. Thought you would be all for that.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Terrierbyassociation said:
Have you actually read the student loan provisions? It's going to save us billions of dollars every year that we were gifting the banks. We were giving them subsidies to give student loans and then guaranteeing them to boot! Why give them subsidies and guaranteeing them? Now we're eliminating that handout. Thought you would be all for that.
Click to expand...

Yes, because the only two options in any industry are firm government control, or total government control. Heaven forbid we let the market set rates.
Here's a real "shocker" in today's news: Wait, Obama lied about keeping your old plan?
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

geezer said:
Yes, because the only two options in any industry are firm government control, or total government control. Heaven forbid we let the market set rates.
Here's a real "shocker" in today's news: Wait, Obama lied about keeping your old plan?
Click to expand...

In this case total government control is better than giving money away to banks for no reason. But usually I'm right there with you on the paranoia bandwagon.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Terrierbyassociation said:
Have you actually read the student loan provisions? It's going to save us billions of dollars every year that we were gifting the banks. We were giving them subsidies to give student loans and then guaranteeing them to boot! Why give them subsidies and guaranteeing them? Now we're eliminating that handout. Thought you would be all for that.
Click to expand...

I agree Sallie, Nellie, etc. were crying, but they were probably crying crocodile tears. It certainly won't wipe out the private loan market, especially for graduate and professional schools. Given the relatively low limits for most govt loans and grants relative to the galloping costs of tuition and fees, I think there will be very rich margins in the market. Remember the rates on some of those private law school loans, and the bar study loans? I think we can probably kick them up 300-500 bps. Roll in the facts that most student loans are not dischargeable in Bk and the ABS markets are starting revive, and "there's gold in them thar hills!" :eek: ;)
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

walrus said:
Hey Rover
You'll love this:p
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/rnc-spends-money-on-private-pl.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/mar/29/michael-steele-voyeur-club-republican
Click to expand...

Ummm...I applaud the RNC for trying to make the GOP a big tent party by reaching out to strippers?:eek: :D ;)

Regarding health care, can somebody please tell me what bill the GOP coalesced around? Because while individual Republicans had their own plans, I don't recall a comprehensive bill that their House and Senate counterparts endorsed. That's the problem with this Repeal and Replace nonsense. Replace with what? If they come out in favor of the individual mandate, kiss the teabaggers goodbye. Are they in favor of keeping the pre-existing condition coverage? If so, how do they plan on paying for that? All of these questions will need to be answered by them in a campaign, and that's where the trouble starts. Its easy to criticize, but I'm real curious what they plan on replacing the bill with. That's a question they're gonna need to answer.
 
Last edited:
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Anything that leads to Michael Steele being canned is 100% okay in my book.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

leswp1 said:
Does this mean the GOP is becoming more flexible on moral issues??:D
Click to expand...

It seems they're pretty flexible when they think no one can see them:p
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

leswp1 said:
Does this mean the GOP is becoming more flexible on moral issues??:D
Click to expand...

Aura and Mystique are showing them that flexibility is an admirable quality.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Terrierbyassociation said:
Have you actually read the student loan provisions? It's going to save us billions of dollars every year that we were gifting the banks. We were giving them subsidies to give student loans and then guaranteeing them to boot! Why give them subsidies and guaranteeing them? Now we're eliminating that handout. Thought you would be all for that.
Click to expand...

If you read articles on both sides you'll see there was an alternative plan that saved approximately the same amount of money, saved thousands of jobs of people soon to be unemployed/collecting unemployment - those jobs will now become federal jobs (at 1.5x the cost) and kept the loans off the government balance sheet.

Since they took $20b of the government plan benefit to pay for healthcare, the other proposal actually would have put more money into Pell grants, preserved jobs, and reduced the risk that funding the loans would be a greater liability if rates increase, as they surely will.

The only reason it was enacted was because they needed the $20b to make sure the reconciliation bill was balanced.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

Terrierbyassociation said:
Have you actually read the student loan provisions? It's going to save us billions of dollars every year that we were gifting the banks. We were giving them subsidies to give student loans and then guaranteeing them to boot! Why give them subsidies and guaranteeing them? Now we're eliminating that handout. Thought you would be all for that.
Click to expand...

Yes I have, you're wrong and when the hell has government ever *saved* us money by instituting a government program.

Please humor me by digging something up.

pirate said:
If you read articles on both sides you'll see there was an alternative plan that saved approximately the same amount of money, saved thousands of jobs of people soon to be unemployed/collecting unemployment - those jobs will now become federal jobs (at 1.5x the cost) and kept the loans off the government balance sheet.

Since they took $20b of the government plan benefit to pay for healthcare, the other proposal actually would have put more money into Pell grants, preserved jobs, and reduced the risk that funding the loans would be a greater liability if rates increase, as they surely will.

The only reason it was enacted was because they needed the $20b to make sure the reconciliation bill was balanced.
Click to expand...

Thank you....and that's just for starters.
 
Re: An Open Letter To All USCHO Crackpots and Knuckledraggers - by Rover

WeWantMore said:
Yep, you've caught me. I'm terribly prejudiced against people who are abysmal at their jobs.
Click to expand...

You need to stop wasting your time on this thread and come over to the PC hockey thread...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top