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An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
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Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
I don't think so. Many hated Hillary six months ago, they hated her before the election...and they hated her before any 'scandals' came out. They will continue to hate her. Many really liked her during each of the same periods. See any behavior turned in by Trump (including ironically enough his sexual harassment allegations).
The rules change for political players. Folks either like, defend or at least don't attack those with the same views. I believe they feel that doing so weakens their cause...or helps the 'enemy'. Rush L. would never, ever do so. And political causes are among the most dear to many individuals.
I don't think so. Many hated Hillary six months ago, they hated her before the election...and they hated her before any 'scandals' came out. They will continue to hate her. Many really liked her during each of the same periods. See any behavior turned in by Trump (including ironically enough his sexual harassment allegations).
The rules change for political players. Folks either like, defend or at least don't attack those with the same views. I believe they feel that doing so weakens their cause...or helps the 'enemy'. Rush L. would never, ever do so. And political causes are among the most dear to many individuals.
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
This.
And I'm (sadly) laughing at allegations against other actors (Kilmer, Seagal). The latter actors were WELL-KNOWN harassers/assaulters. It wasn't even a badly kept secret, like Weinstein.
This.
And I'm (sadly) laughing at allegations against other actors (Kilmer, Seagal). The latter actors were WELL-KNOWN harassers/assaulters. It wasn't even a badly kept secret, like Weinstein.
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Here is a bi-partisan idea that has been circulating for a few years now, I think it is fantastic!
Decentralize the federal government by locating the headquarters for federal agencies throughout the country.
Perhaps put HUD headquarters in Detroit, and HHS headquarters in Hartford. What a boost it would be for those struggling cities! Federal government workers need to get lunch somewhere, have their cars repaired, get haircuts. Many secretarial types might not choose to relocate, so more local jobs. The higher level types who did relocate would need to buy houses, and they also would be more insistent on improved urban services, and now those cities would have the resources to provide them.
Great for the D side!
For the R side, it's great too. You start to "drain the swamp" because bureaucrats are now dispersed throughout the country, automatically becoming more in touch with regional issues, outside of an insular bubble. You could also relocate Interior to Utah or Wyoming (the federal government already manages huge swaths of land there); Agriculture to Nebraska or Iowa (where they actually grow stuff).
You probably also slow the rise of payroll costs, because cost of living is lower in most of the rest of the country than in DC metro area. You might also shrink the size of government through attrition, as many people might choose to retire rather than relocate.
For the Sandernistas, it's great because you reduce the influence of lobbyists because you no longer have all the targets of lobbying in one central location (lobbyists don't only lobby Congress, they also lobby the staffs of administrative agencies whenever they are writing rules to implement programs).
Win-win-win all around.
Here is a bi-partisan idea that has been circulating for a few years now, I think it is fantastic!
Decentralize the federal government by locating the headquarters for federal agencies throughout the country.
Perhaps put HUD headquarters in Detroit, and HHS headquarters in Hartford. What a boost it would be for those struggling cities! Federal government workers need to get lunch somewhere, have their cars repaired, get haircuts. Many secretarial types might not choose to relocate, so more local jobs. The higher level types who did relocate would need to buy houses, and they also would be more insistent on improved urban services, and now those cities would have the resources to provide them.
Great for the D side!
For the R side, it's great too. You start to "drain the swamp" because bureaucrats are now dispersed throughout the country, automatically becoming more in touch with regional issues, outside of an insular bubble. You could also relocate Interior to Utah or Wyoming (the federal government already manages huge swaths of land there); Agriculture to Nebraska or Iowa (where they actually grow stuff).
You probably also slow the rise of payroll costs, because cost of living is lower in most of the rest of the country than in DC metro area. You might also shrink the size of government through attrition, as many people might choose to retire rather than relocate.
For the Sandernistas, it's great because you reduce the influence of lobbyists because you no longer have all the targets of lobbying in one central location (lobbyists don't only lobby Congress, they also lobby the staffs of administrative agencies whenever they are writing rules to implement programs).
Win-win-win all around.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
It’s not the worst idea since we live in the 21st century now. But the cost to do this would be tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars up front. The temptation would be to fly everywhere but I suppose that could be dealt with.
I just think there would be difficulties in getting the best people to want to move to Iowa and Wyoming. Washington DC is a hugely attractive place to work. Expensive, but it sells itself.
It’s not the worst idea since we live in the 21st century now. But the cost to do this would be tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars up front. The temptation would be to fly everywhere but I suppose that could be dealt with.
I just think there would be difficulties in getting the best people to want to move to Iowa and Wyoming. Washington DC is a hugely attractive place to work. Expensive, but it sells itself.
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Surprise, surprise! Kepler comes out arguing against diversity!!
While there can be advantages to synergy, there is also the problem of groupthink, in which only one point of view is tolerated.
Washington DC clearly has lost touch with most of the country. If you truly want a national government, it needs to represent the interests of the entire nation, not merely a bunch of rich lawyers.
Look at the Federal Reserve for example. We have 12 regional banks dispersed throughout the country, so that the Fed has a good picture of the entire national economy. They recognize that diversity of viewpoints is important.
Why would you ever have the Department of Agriculture in the middle of a vast urban/suburban/exurban sprawl? Makes no sense at all. Put Agriculture where agriculture actually happens.
Surprise, surprise! Kepler comes out arguing against diversity!!
While there can be advantages to synergy, there is also the problem of groupthink, in which only one point of view is tolerated.
Washington DC clearly has lost touch with most of the country. If you truly want a national government, it needs to represent the interests of the entire nation, not merely a bunch of rich lawyers.
Look at the Federal Reserve for example. We have 12 regional banks dispersed throughout the country, so that the Fed has a good picture of the entire national economy. They recognize that diversity of viewpoints is important.
Why would you ever have the Department of Agriculture in the middle of a vast urban/suburban/exurban sprawl? Makes no sense at all. Put Agriculture where agriculture actually happens.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
It's not that; it's that you have no idea how government works day to day. Congress and the President (when we have one) work closely with all those departments all the time on policy. Having them all in the same place is essential. Day to day government work is inefficient enough without spreading it all over the planet.
I'd rather they all collectively pull up stakes and move to a different city every ten years. The entire bureaucracy, along with the Courts too of course. Move them to Denver or Phoenix or whatever cornfed sh-thole you have in mind. Just keep them together so the federal budget isn't doubled by planefare every time somebody needs to have a markup session with somebody else.
If you want to improve government shoot every lobbyist who comes within the District limits.
It's not that; it's that you have no idea how government works day to day. Congress and the President (when we have one) work closely with all those departments all the time on policy. Having them all in the same place is essential. Day to day government work is inefficient enough without spreading it all over the planet.
I'd rather they all collectively pull up stakes and move to a different city every ten years. The entire bureaucracy, along with the Courts too of course. Move them to Denver or Phoenix or whatever cornfed sh-thole you have in mind. Just keep them together so the federal budget isn't doubled by planefare every time somebody needs to have a markup session with somebody else.
If you want to improve government shoot every lobbyist who comes within the District limits.
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Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
My god, you are a genius. I don't understand how no one has thought of this yet. Oh, wait...
My god, you are a genius. I don't understand how no one has thought of this yet. Oh, wait...
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
It depends on what you consider to be a "lobbyist". There is the first amendment for the redress of grievances. However, there's also US Code 18 Section 201, which prohibits the bribery of public officials, and would the enforcement of that go towards your ask?
It depends on what you consider to be a "lobbyist". There is the first amendment for the redress of grievances. However, there's also US Code 18 Section 201, which prohibits the bribery of public officials, and would the enforcement of that go towards your ask?
And you destroy the economies of MD, VA & DC which depend on the federal employees to pay taxes, buy things, and live. Plus the businesses that exist to supply stuff and people to the Feds.
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St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
1) Debase your own argument by altering theirs.
2) Show that you're not a person to trust in any other argument and therefore cause people to ignore you at a rate almost as bad as Col. Flagg.
And you've also accomplished a third thing: worked against the very premise of what you stated when you started this thread on "literal political" ideas.
When you insert your comments into someone else's quotes you are instead doing two things.
1) Debase your own argument by altering theirs.
2) Show that you're not a person to trust in any other argument and therefore cause people to ignore you at a rate almost as bad as Col. Flagg.
And you've also accomplished a third thing: worked against the very premise of what you stated when you started this thread on "literal political" ideas.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
So then they start spending less, or go back to the literal crabbing industry, while other places ramp up. If the rust belt can survive, so can the swamp.
So then they start spending less, or go back to the literal crabbing industry, while other places ramp up. If the rust belt can survive, so can the swamp.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Welcome to my world. He's been doing this to me for years, including changing the screen name.
Although now that I started posting here, I wonder if he's going to try to create another thread.
Welcome to my world. He's been doing this to me for years, including changing the screen name.
Although now that I started posting here, I wonder if he's going to try to create another thread.
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Why trust the news, either from CNN or from Fox, when you can see first-hand for yourself what actually went on?
(about 45 minutes)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?439527-1/president-trump-open-tackling-daca-fix-first-border-wall
Originally was live: watch President negotiate with Congressional leaders from both parties on immigration fixes.
Also very shrewd move: you guys have to figure out something that will pass Congress. No more stalling or posturing; time for results.
Why trust the news, either from CNN or from Fox, when you can see first-hand for yourself what actually went on?
(about 45 minutes)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?439527-1/president-trump-open-tackling-daca-fix-first-border-wall
Originally was live: watch President negotiate with Congressional leaders from both parties on immigration fixes.
Also very shrewd move: you guys have to figure out something that will pass Congress. No more stalling or posturing; time for results.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
With 21st century tech this would be workable. There's little reason to "in person" meetings anymore unless there's physical labor to be accomplished.
And yes the costs would be sizable up front, but, then again, the Feds already have significant property holdings in just about any city of 50k or more in the US. Just re-task existing resources.
As far as people wanting to move to IA or WY, isn't the point to get the personnel more diverse? The locals would work there. Don't assume that DC/NoVA/MD lure automatically means attract the best. It attracts those who want what's there.
The flip notion on this would be to force Congress to meet in full session for at least a week in no fewer than five state capitals every session. Yup, Congress on the road for five weeks every two years; mandatory attendance for all members of Congress. The five states per session would be divided equally around the country (5 regions of 10 states).
Every state capital almost has to have facilities able to support a one week "trade show" of nominally 535 people.
I can't wait to see Paul Ryan and Sheila Jackson Lee hanging out between sessions in the fabulous inner courtyard in the Ramkota in Bismarck*.
*Those of you who know, know.
With 21st century tech this would be workable. There's little reason to "in person" meetings anymore unless there's physical labor to be accomplished.
And yes the costs would be sizable up front, but, then again, the Feds already have significant property holdings in just about any city of 50k or more in the US. Just re-task existing resources.
As far as people wanting to move to IA or WY, isn't the point to get the personnel more diverse? The locals would work there. Don't assume that DC/NoVA/MD lure automatically means attract the best. It attracts those who want what's there.
The flip notion on this would be to force Congress to meet in full session for at least a week in no fewer than five state capitals every session. Yup, Congress on the road for five weeks every two years; mandatory attendance for all members of Congress. The five states per session would be divided equally around the country (5 regions of 10 states).
Every state capital almost has to have facilities able to support a one week "trade show" of nominally 535 people.
I can't wait to see Paul Ryan and Sheila Jackson Lee hanging out between sessions in the fabulous inner courtyard in the Ramkota in Bismarck*.
*Those of you who know, know.
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FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
The only issue I see with this one, although it's not something that can be directly enforced because the document isn't law but is still very important in the minds of patriots, is that the Declaration of Independence cited keeping legislators far from their ability to easily perform their duties. Although I understand that technology has significantly advanced in nearly 250 years, there are still many things that are much more effectively done in person than through a networked environment, such as caucusing.
The only issue I see with this one, although it's not something that can be directly enforced because the document isn't law but is still very important in the minds of patriots, is that the Declaration of Independence cited keeping legislators far from their ability to easily perform their duties. Although I understand that technology has significantly advanced in nearly 250 years, there are still many things that are much more effectively done in person than through a networked environment, such as caucusing.