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An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
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Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Interesting...but not so sure I agree with the analogy. I'd say that ISIS destroying Christian chapels is similar to the US (a predominantly Christian country) destroying Mosques. Very few Americans agree with this...and it would take an act of American extremism based on societal norms for it to occur.
Religious buildings serve the purpose for themselves. Monuments and the naming of parks/schools serve signal of what society reveres. And in the end, I believe many if not most of the 'removal' efforts are for the purpose of movement to alternative locations - war museums, etc. - where their representation can better match societal preferences (as to many, important figures but trators).
Interesting...but not so sure I agree with the analogy. I'd say that ISIS destroying Christian chapels is similar to the US (a predominantly Christian country) destroying Mosques. Very few Americans agree with this...and it would take an act of American extremism based on societal norms for it to occur.
Religious buildings serve the purpose for themselves. Monuments and the naming of parks/schools serve signal of what society reveres. And in the end, I believe many if not most of the 'removal' efforts are for the purpose of movement to alternative locations - war museums, etc. - where their representation can better match societal preferences (as to many, important figures but trators).
unofan
Well-known member
I'd been waiting for someone to make this asinine comparison since the day this became the controversy de jour. I knew it would happen sooner or later, and here we are. Color me shocked at who is making it, too.
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
um, in the late 1930s and early 1940s, the German government massacred millions of Jewish people in concentration camps, yet if you visit Germany today, you can go to a concentration camp turned into a museum, not because they "revere" it but merely because they accept it as part of their history: they don't want to pretend it never happened, they keep it as a reminder of the need to be vigilant so that it never happens again.
When apartheid ended in South Africa, the majority blacks did not go about tearing down statues and monuments, they held Truth Commissions so that they could take a clear sober unstinting look at what people did so that there could be closure, forgiveness, and the start of societal healing.
That's how a mature people deal with shameful episodes in their histories, they don't try to erase it from view, or tuck it away hidden out of sight, they acknowledge it squarely, head on.
um, in the late 1930s and early 1940s, the German government massacred millions of Jewish people in concentration camps, yet if you visit Germany today, you can go to a concentration camp turned into a museum, not because they "revere" it but merely because they accept it as part of their history: they don't want to pretend it never happened, they keep it as a reminder of the need to be vigilant so that it never happens again.
When apartheid ended in South Africa, the majority blacks did not go about tearing down statues and monuments, they held Truth Commissions so that they could take a clear sober unstinting look at what people did so that there could be closure, forgiveness, and the start of societal healing.
That's how a mature people deal with shameful episodes in their histories, they don't try to erase it from view, or tuck it away hidden out of sight, they acknowledge it squarely, head on.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Mountain Dew. All over the place. Thanks.
Mountain Dew. All over the place. Thanks.
E.J. Smith
New member
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Not that logic is something with which you're tremendously familiar but logically there's far more equivalence in asking why we built a monument to Robert E. Lee in Virginia but didn't build one to Admiral Yamamoto in Hawaii. Both fought AGAINST the United States in major wars, both are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, both caused untold millions of dollars of damage to US property. So why a monument to one and not the other? In fact, if you really want to get logical, Lee was worse, at least Yamamoto wasn't' also a traitor.
Statue of Erwin Rommel in Central Park? No?
So you're saying you think the Buddha is equivalent to slave-owning traitors directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Americans? That's a real question that I'd love your answer to. (Same question, substitute Christianity for Buddha.)
Not that logic is something with which you're tremendously familiar but logically there's far more equivalence in asking why we built a monument to Robert E. Lee in Virginia but didn't build one to Admiral Yamamoto in Hawaii. Both fought AGAINST the United States in major wars, both are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, both caused untold millions of dollars of damage to US property. So why a monument to one and not the other? In fact, if you really want to get logical, Lee was worse, at least Yamamoto wasn't' also a traitor.
Statue of Erwin Rommel in Central Park? No?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
On the one hand, blatant violation of the thread norm. On the other, Fish deserved no less for his transparently self-serving rationalized twaddle.
For the 20th time, Fish. You can get away with your slo-pitch stuff on Red State or PJ where the IQ is the GOP mean. But you are in well over your head, here.
Now... I believe that's your intellectual dignity about 220 yards up the fairway where dxm drove it.
On the one hand, blatant violation of the thread norm. On the other, Fish deserved no less for his transparently self-serving rationalized twaddle.
For the 20th time, Fish. You can get away with your slo-pitch stuff on Red State or PJ where the IQ is the GOP mean. But you are in well over your head, here.
Now... I believe that's your intellectual dignity about 220 yards up the fairway where dxm drove it.
E.J. Smith
New member
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Again, logic, not your friend.
umm, you are aware that almost all of the Confederate monuments were built AFTER the war, right? Southerners didn't acknowledge their dark, shameful past, they built monuments to it.
Again, logic, not your friend.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
And conveniently enough, many were constructed during the Civil Rights Era.
And conveniently enough, many were constructed during the Civil Rights Era.
trixR4kids
New member
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Just checked this thread for the first time in forever to see this. Never change FF...
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
Here ya go Kep. When we were in grade school.....
http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-old-new-left-and-the-new-new-left/#.WdwNRb7UvPk.twitter
Here ya go Kep. When we were in grade school.....
http://www.claremont.org/crb/article/the-old-new-left-and-the-new-new-left/#.WdwNRb7UvPk.twitter
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Closest thing I could think of is when a bad abortion doctor like Kermit Gosnell gets caught.
I am still sometimes sympathetic to anti-abortion arguments when stuff like that comes up.
unofan
Well-known member
Except anti abortion laws get talked about and passed all the farking time. What was the last noteworthy gun control law? The Brady bill?
And most anti abortion laws get struck down in the courts.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Yep. All for life until they're born, but if they grow up to commit a crime, fry their ***. Or if they get caught in the crossfire of a madman, there's nothing we can do to prevent that.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
I got about ten paragraphs in when the pure stench of this dreck overwhelmed me. It's as if somebody warmed over a think piece from NR written in 1975. All of this is the CW of the people who thought Ronald Reagan was transformative. Evidently, they still exist, and they have learned, literally, nothing in 40+ years.
Check out his other "contributions." He's just another one of the Useful Idiots of the Weekly Standard set, dutifully regurgitating righty talking points to try to give conservatives an intellectual fig leaf to cover their empty ideology. He is the antithesis of this thread.
At least Buckley was bright.
I got about ten paragraphs in when the pure stench of this dreck overwhelmed me. It's as if somebody warmed over a think piece from NR written in 1975. All of this is the CW of the people who thought Ronald Reagan was transformative. Evidently, they still exist, and they have learned, literally, nothing in 40+ years.
Check out his other "contributions." He's just another one of the Useful Idiots of the Weekly Standard set, dutifully regurgitating righty talking points to try to give conservatives an intellectual fig leaf to cover their empty ideology. He is the antithesis of this thread.
At least Buckley was bright.
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unofan
Well-known member
Still sounds like we're able to talk about it, unlike gun control.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread
This is the literal thread. We can, legally, talk about gun control.
Sincerely,
Your Thread HOA
This is the literal thread. We can, legally, talk about gun control.
Sincerely,
Your Thread HOA