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An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread

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look at who he has nominated for his cabinet. it's already a disaster.

He'll be under investigation by someone his entire Presidency. Not releasing his tax returns has made him a target of the press for eternity. He obviously has something to hide and it will be found eventually.

“American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.


“The continuing counterintelligence investigation means that Mr. Trump will take the oath of office on Friday with his associates under investigation and after the intelligence agencies concluded that the Russian government had worked to help elect him. As president, Mr. Trump will oversee those agencies and have the authority to redirect or stop at least some of these efforts.

https://dianeravitch.net/2017/01/19...iates-under-investigation-for-ties-to-russia/
 
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Unless, by Exective Order, he puts his tax return under deep lock. BHO, IIRC, put his college records under wraps.

WRONG!!

it is illegal for a college to release transcripts without written permission from the student. Obama hadn't authorized the released his transcripts -- but he did not put them "under wraps" -- he just didn't do anything about them. But neither did George W Bush (his Yale grades were eventually leaked by someone, but not released by Bush). Most presidents have not made college transcripts public information.

You know what information other presidents have made public? TAX RETURNS.


You are pathetic.
 
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"When there is patriotism, there is no room for prejudice."


Hmm....

I had never thought of it from that perspective before, but it certainly seems fits the historical record: the US military was probably the first civic institution in the US where racial integration was successful and racial prejudice was eliminated.


A very interesting way to present that concept.
 
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Donald Trump is a disaster of a president.

um, he's only been President for two hours and eighteen minutes as of this post. Isn't that judgment a bit premature? Mightn't we want to actually wait and see what kind of track record he produces before evaluating his success or failure in office?
 
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I don't think you were looking at the right parts of the web if you think people weren't up in arms during Pres. Obama's inauguration. The negative issues just didn't garner the widespread media coverage that Trump's has thus far.

Which kind of circles back to my original question, in a slightly different form: why have so many people in the mainstream media become so unhinged? isn't it their job to report the news, not become the news?


I do realize that some people were absolutely gonzo batfeces crazy over BHO, just like 5% - 10% of the country is insane about one thing or another. I myself wanted him to succeed despite my skepticism that he was "all hat and no cattle" as they say; I would have been absolutely delighted to have him prove me wrong!

I'm not talking about whether some people were publicly unbalanced, I'm surprised at how widespread it seems to be this time. There weren't widely-publicized riots in the streets after the 2008 nor the 2012 election; there weren't 400,000 people descending upon Washington DC the day after the election in a protest either time.
 
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WRONG!!

it is illegal for a college to release transcripts without written permission from the student. Obama had authorized the released his transcripts -- but he did not put them "under wraps" -- he just didn't do anything about them. But neither did George W Bush (his Yale grades were eventually leaked by someone, but not released by Bush). Most presidents have not made college transcripts public information.

You know what information other presidents have made public? TAX RETURNS.


You are pathetic.

With malice towards none, with charity to all.
 
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread

A fascinating social/political experiment:

a new play ... restages parts of the three 2016 presidential debates word-for-word and gesture-for-gesture – but with a woman depicting Donald Trump and a man playing Hillary Clinton.
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a rehearsal raised unexpected questions, some of them troubling. For instance, was the real Trump’s rhetoric offensive to liberals because it was delivered by a repugnant reality TV star?

“When a woman says it, it doesn’t sound as crazy,” said Maria Guadalupe, a professor at France’s INSEAD Business school and a co-creator with Joe Salvatore, clinical associate professor of educational theatre at New York University’s Steinhardt School, of the play.

Did Clinton supporters not realize how much her hyper-polished political style alienated people?

“When a man [re-creates Clinton’s performance],” said Salvatore, “it feels like a lot of mansplaining.”

The article also has a link to a livestream of the play, which I have not looked at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLcI7mDUzMI&feature=player_embedded
 
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So Democrat mayors around the country are upset that the US government is enforcing a directive from the Obama administration to follow a law signed by President Clinton in 1996?
 
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Oh my god, democrats want nothing to do with a law signed by Clinton and endorsed by Obama and Hillary before 2008? Before it was overturned by the SCOTUS? After we all realized it was a law that mandated bigotry?

Or, my god, why don't democrats oppose an executive order by that vile republican Lincoln?
 
um, he's only been President for two hours and eighteen minutes as of this post. Isn't that judgment a bit premature? Mightn't we want to actually wait and see what kind of track record he produces before evaluating his success or failure in office?

How much longer do you need? Will you now admit he is ****ing us every possible way?
 
Oh my god, democrats want nothing to do with a law signed by Clinton and endorsed by Obama and Hillary before 2008? Before it was overturned by the SCOTUS? After we all realized it was a law that mandated bigotry?

Or, my god, why don't democrats oppose an executive order by that vile republican Lincoln?

They did. I believe it was called the Emancipation Proclimation.

Of course, that was 152 years ago. :)
 
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If you actually think about it, the idea that the Russians somehow would prefer Trump to Clinton just doesn't make any sense:
-- Russia's main source of revenue comes from sales of oil and gas. Clinton likely would have not approved Keystone pipeline nor expanded oil exploration on federal lands; Trump made it clear during the campaign that he'd increase US energy production on many fronts, including Keystone approval and expanded drilling on federal land. Russians would have to completely ignore their own economic self-interest to prefer Trump to Clinton, "that dog don't hunt" as they say.
-- it is not unlikely that the Russians hacked Clinton's "private" email server and have copies of all her emails. If there were any emails that appeared to link donations to the Clinton Foundation to her actions as Secretary of State, they'd have prime blackmail material on her. Blackmail Trump, on the other hand? The man is a crude boor; if he wasn't derailed and embarrassed by the leaked Billy Bush tape, what makes anyone think that the Russians could blackmail him successfully?
-- who would be more likely to continue Obama's foreign policy? Under that policy, the Russians annexed Crimea, occupied Eastern Ukraine, and established a stronghold in Syria. Why would they not want more of the same?

What does make sense is that the Russians were trying to sow discord, disarray, and confusion into US politics; to get us so preoccupied with arguing with each other and strident finger-pointing that our attention would be deflected from other things going on in the world outside US political sniping. On that measure, they have been tremendously successful, and continue to become even more so: rather than address any serious issues that need attention, Congress is spending its time in a variety of "Russia" investigations. That keeps us stalled, uncertain, weak; which plays right into their hands.
 
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread

If you actually think about it, the idea that the Russians somehow would prefer Trump to Clinton just doesn't make any sense:
-- Russia's main source of revenue comes from sales of oil and gas. Clinton likely would have not approved Keystone pipeline nor expanded oil exploration on federal lands; Trump made it clear during the campaign that he'd increase US energy production on many fronts, including Keystone approval and expanded drilling on federal land. Russians would have to completely ignore their own economic self-interest to prefer Trump to Clinton, "that dog don't hunt" as they say.
-- it is not unlikely that the Russians hacked Clinton's "private" email server and have copies of all her emails. If there were any emails that appeared to link donations to the Clinton Foundation to her actions as Secretary of State, they'd have prime blackmail material on her. Blackmail Trump, on the other hand? The man is a crude boor; if he wasn't derailed and embarrassed by the leaked Billy Bush tape, what makes anyone think that the Russians could blackmail him successfully?
-- who would be more likely to continue Obama's foreign policy? Under that policy, the Russians annexed Crimea, occupied Eastern Ukraine, and established a stronghold in Syria. Why would they not want more of the same?

What does make sense is that the Russians were trying to sow discord, disarray, and confusion into US politics; to get us so preoccupied with arguing with each other and strident finger-pointing that our attention would be deflected from other things going on in the world outside US political sniping. On that measure, they have been tremendously successful, and continue to become even more so: rather than address any serious issues that need attention, Congress is spending its time in a variety of "Russia" investigations. That keeps us stalled, uncertain, weak; which plays right into their hands.

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

The thought process makes sense, but it is very erroneous and tin-foil-hat thinking.
 
Re: An Experiment: A Literal Political Thread

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I know we've agreed to not quote Flaggy to respect the ignore feature, pretty sure Fishy was included with that too. Thank you. :p
 
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The thought process makes sense, but it is very erroneous and tin-foil-hat thinking.

Would you please elaborate?

If Russia's main goal in meddling in the election was to destabilize US domestic politics, wouldn't you say that they have succeeded big-time?
 
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