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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
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unh_hockey
pain is temporary pride is forever
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
I see what you did right thurrr
I see what you did right thurrr
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Hey idiot, there's nothing worse than a crappy alias. Then again, considering the impressively elaborate flow chart that constitutes your multiple personalities, all of which are most likely heavily overweight and unemployed, I doubt anything I say will slow you down.
Keep on fightin' your good fight!
Hey idiot, there's nothing worse than a crappy alias. Then again, considering the impressively elaborate flow chart that constitutes your multiple personalities, all of which are most likely heavily overweight and unemployed, I doubt anything I say will slow you down.
Keep on fightin' your good fight!
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
It's not outside the realm of possibility that he saw the "Red" in my name and became confused. Similar to how someone saw my location last season and assumed I was a Yale fan living in New Haven, CT.
But then again, it's not the first time this guy has made odd and lewd comments toward me. I think XYZ might be onto something.
When did Red Cloud become an Obama supporter...did I miss a meeting?
It's not outside the realm of possibility that he saw the "Red" in my name and became confused. Similar to how someone saw my location last season and assumed I was a Yale fan living in New Haven, CT.
But then again, it's not the first time this guy has made odd and lewd comments toward me. I think XYZ might be onto something.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Poles don't matter.
Poles don't matter.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Darn it, Joe, what part of "Let me be clear. The time for discussion is over" was difficult to grasp!
You're gonna end up on Janet's list.
Darn it, Joe, what part of "Let me be clear. The time for discussion is over" was difficult to grasp!
You're gonna end up on Janet's list.
SPIN CONTROL
is in charge
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
I was scared after reading page 1, line 1.
I was scared after reading page 1, line 1.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Two questions:
1) Why don't employers do that anyway, right now? Couldn't they just dump people onto Medicaid, or just not offer health insurance anyway and let people take COBRA or something?
2) Why hasn't this at least happened in Mass, which has health insurance now for people who can't get it through the private sector? Shouldn't employers in the state already have dropped hundreds of thousands of workers onto the state's dole???
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To the "other" discussion going on, I've often theorized that all you righty knuckledraggers have feelings for each other, but keep them repressed - hence the reason why you're all grumpy, negative and reactionary. Looks like this thread once again proved me right for the umpteenth time.
Two questions:
1) Why don't employers do that anyway, right now? Couldn't they just dump people onto Medicaid, or just not offer health insurance anyway and let people take COBRA or something?
2) Why hasn't this at least happened in Mass, which has health insurance now for people who can't get it through the private sector? Shouldn't employers in the state already have dropped hundreds of thousands of workers onto the state's dole???
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To the "other" discussion going on, I've often theorized that all you righty knuckledraggers have feelings for each other, but keep them repressed - hence the reason why you're all grumpy, negative and reactionary. Looks like this thread once again proved me right for the umpteenth time.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Go take your morning eightball.
To the "other" discussion going on, I've often theorized that all you righty knuckledraggers have feelings for each other, but keep them repressed - hence the reason why you're all grumpy, negative and reactionary. Looks like this thread once again proved me right for the umpteenth time.
Go take your morning eightball.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
I really don't like this whole "don't think it through, let's just go do it and get it done" attitude. It's too similar to what W did with Iraq.
If the <strike>Senate</strike> House has a brain among them, they'll take FOR-EV-ER to even consider voting on it.
I really don't like this whole "don't think it through, let's just go do it and get it done" attitude. It's too similar to what W did with Iraq.
If the <strike>Senate</strike> House has a brain among them, they'll take FOR-EV-ER to even consider voting on it.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Now you've done it. Rover is going to be HOPPING mad now. How dare you compare our Lord and Savior with that idiot.
Now you've done it. Rover is going to be HOPPING mad now. How dare you compare our Lord and Savior with that idiot.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
I don't like saying it anymore than anyone else (on either end of the spectrum), but its true: both presidents are using/did use the "it's too important to the country to think about it, just do it" rhetoric in order to lead us towards stupid decisions.
In general, I'm an Obama kind of guy, and I don't think that the status quo with our health care system is the best way to go. But I'm not entirely convinced that this particular idea will be any better, and I really don't like the idea of rushing into it.
I don't like saying it anymore than anyone else (on either end of the spectrum), but its true: both presidents are using/did use the "it's too important to the country to think about it, just do it" rhetoric in order to lead us towards stupid decisions.
In general, I'm an Obama kind of guy, and I don't think that the status quo with our health care system is the best way to go. But I'm not entirely convinced that this particular idea will be any better, and I really don't like the idea of rushing into it.
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Looks like I hit a nerve...
As far as the "rush to get it done" Obama is mostly correct. Should they vote by August even if the plans are incomplete? No, they shouldn't and it looks the admin reluctantly realizes that. However, he's 100% correct in that if you don't set deadlines, nothing gets done. Anybody who's ever worked in business or who's been a manager can tell you that. At some point it has to be time to put pencils and calculators away and go with your best estimate. Perfection can't be the goal.
Now, what's delaying this are entirely legitimate reasons. What's the best mechanism for paying for it being first and foremost. That's exactly the kind of discussion I want to see happening here. Now, say down the road something needs adjusting. Then, adjust it at that time. This isn't a constitutional amendment they're passing. Its a law that can be revised if needed. Because again, now that the right has stupidly declared publicly that their main concern is denying Obama a policy victory - not actually improving the health care system which while it may be the best in the world its costs a simply unsustainable, what is the anti-Obama's crowd's plan for health care? Do nothing?
Looks like I hit a nerve...
As far as the "rush to get it done" Obama is mostly correct. Should they vote by August even if the plans are incomplete? No, they shouldn't and it looks the admin reluctantly realizes that. However, he's 100% correct in that if you don't set deadlines, nothing gets done. Anybody who's ever worked in business or who's been a manager can tell you that. At some point it has to be time to put pencils and calculators away and go with your best estimate. Perfection can't be the goal.
Now, what's delaying this are entirely legitimate reasons. What's the best mechanism for paying for it being first and foremost. That's exactly the kind of discussion I want to see happening here. Now, say down the road something needs adjusting. Then, adjust it at that time. This isn't a constitutional amendment they're passing. Its a law that can be revised if needed. Because again, now that the right has stupidly declared publicly that their main concern is denying Obama a policy victory - not actually improving the health care system which while it may be the best in the world its costs a simply unsustainable, what is the anti-Obama's crowd's plan for health care? Do nothing?
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
I tend to agree. The current system has problems and leaves alot of people uninsured which adds to costs for the rest of us. However, I think the idea that this new program, or whatever it may be, should be rushed through without some serious thinking and debate to meet some arbitrary deadline is ludicrous. I'm especially interested in details of all of the alleged "savings" and "efficiency" that will result, and not add to the deficit/debt. You'd think with all of the eggheads in the White House, the plans and speeches from the O-man would be replete with line-by-line details of waste, savings, overlap, etc. Instead, we're forced to trust vague generalizations and speculative numbers.
I tend to agree. The current system has problems and leaves alot of people uninsured which adds to costs for the rest of us. However, I think the idea that this new program, or whatever it may be, should be rushed through without some serious thinking and debate to meet some arbitrary deadline is ludicrous. I'm especially interested in details of all of the alleged "savings" and "efficiency" that will result, and not add to the deficit/debt. You'd think with all of the eggheads in the White House, the plans and speeches from the O-man would be replete with line-by-line details of waste, savings, overlap, etc. Instead, we're forced to trust vague generalizations and speculative numbers.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
There, that's better. Eightball fixes everything.
Looks like I hit a nerve...
There, that's better. Eightball fixes everything.
Re: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - The USCHO debates
Speaking from personal experience are we???
Speaking from personal experience are we???
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