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America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 - Part 2 - Deathers vs. Commies

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ScoobyDoo said:
What duck? There's nothing about the current system that empowers the consumer. Until that happens the system is as worthless to the average taxpayer as any other government program.
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You keep ducking the question I posed.....like you're doing again here.

unofan said:
Nebraska electrical power. There are two power companies in Nebraska, OPPD (serving the Omaha area) and NPPD (serving the rest of the state). Both provide electricity to the state's citizens efficiently and much cheaper than what I now pay in Iowa, partly because they don't have to provide profits to shareholders.

Likewise, MUD (Metropolitan Utilities District) provides natural gas to Omaha at rates 5-10% less than what Black Hills Energy charges customers here in Council Bluffs.
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You can't compare utility companies from different states. I can guarantee you that NH's power rates are higher than both Nebraska and Iowa because our grid system capital improvements are rolled into local rates. That'd happen if it were public or private. The cost of a multi-billion dollar nuke plant has to be paid by someone.

Same goes for gas from district to district. Nationalize it and level costs and my rates go down while MUD's go up.

...of course, this question was posed to Scooby and I'm still patiently waiting his response.
 
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dropthatpuck said:
...of course, this question was posed to Scooby and I'm still patiently waiting his response.
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Scooby, after hearing who received the Noble Committee's Peace Prize, fainted. He should be recovering soon.
 
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joecct said:
Scooby, after hearing who received the Noble Committee's Peace Prize, fainted. He should be recovering soon.
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Rover received the Nobel Peace Prize? :confused:
 
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Kepler said:
Rover received the Nobel Peace Prize? :confused:
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I thought dtp might have a stroke- immediately he heard- after all, how did the O machine infiltrate the Nobel process so quickly:confused: :eek: :p
 
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leswp1 said:
I thought dtp might have a stroke- immediately he heard- after all, how did the O machine infiltrate the Nobel process so quickly:confused: :eek: :p
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It's given by Europeans. Europeans* are gay. Ergo...

(* As is everyone except people with backyard arsenals, people who dropped out of high school, Texans {which is the same thing), Likud, closeted gay GOP House members, and some of "New Europe" except those pansies who thought the missile shield was bogus. )
 
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dropthatpuck said:
You can't compare utility companies from different states. I can guarantee you that NH's power rates are higher than both Nebraska and Iowa because our grid system capital improvements are rolled into local rates. That'd happen if it were public or private. The cost of a multi-billion dollar nuke plant has to be paid by someone.
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Yeah, cause Nebraska's power just randomly comes from thin air. They didn't have to pay for the building of a nuclear power plant 30 miles from Omaha, or the miles of power lines to cover a state 20x's the size of New Hampshire.... :rolleyes:

You asked when teh gov't could do something cheaper than the private sector, I gave you one.
 
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Kepler said:
Rover received the Nobel Peace Prize? :confused:
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D@mn Obama! That award was MINE due to my efforts to bring peace to the USCHO cafe until he came along and stole it out from under my nose.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Oh well, I'll post my acceptance speech out here anyway. I just hope this site has enough bandwith to handle it....;)
 
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unofan said:
Yeah, cause Nebraska's power just randomly comes from thin air. They didn't have to pay for the building of a nuclear power plant 30 miles from Omaha, or the miles of power lines to cover a state 20x's the size of New Hampshire.... :rolleyes:

You asked when teh gov't could do something cheaper than the private sector, I gave you one.
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Bad example.

When was the last time a private provider was allowed to compete for customers in Nebraska? Close to 40 years ago?

Because of regs, you simply cannot compare utility rates in one state to another. It's as pointless as comparing labor costs or a cost of living index from one State or city to another. NH's rates are higher than those in Mass. - probably the only thing that costs more from one State to the next - but it's not because of our private utility companies paying dividends to shareholders - it's due to regulation(s).

Nebraska may be well served to allow competition....or not. But right now, there's no basis to claim that Nebraskans are paying less for power because its government-run.

...and, of course, I'm still waiting for Scooby :eek:
 
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dropthatpuck said:
Nebraska may be well served to allow competition....or not. But right now, there's no basis to claim that Nebraskans are paying less for power because its government-run.
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Right, because having rates cheaper than all bordering states is completely meaningless and eliminating the profit motive can't reduce price at all. (if a public utility sends out power at cost, while a private one sends it out at cost + profit margin... hmmm...). Not to mention that having entirely public power probably reduces the overall cost of the regulations you decry (since there are no private companies needing to be regulated - and the public utilities self-regulate by definition).

You haven't even made the one argument you should be making in your responses, which is that a private company might have a greater incentive to innovate.
 
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Waiting for dropthatpuck to back up his ridiculous arguments is like waiting for UNH to win the men's hockey championship. Ain't gonna happen. :D
 
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unofan said:
Right, because having rates cheaper than all bordering states is completely meaningless and eliminating the profit motive can't reduce price at all. (if a public utility sends out power at cost, while a private one sends it out at cost + profit margin... hmmm...). Not to mention that having entirely public power probably reduces the overall cost of the regulations you decry (since there are no private companies needing to be regulated - and the public utilities self-regulate by definition).

You haven't even made the one argument you should be making in your responses, which is that a private company might have a greater incentive to innovate.
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It's interesting that I'm ducking the question but he fails to admit that the health insurance companies not only DO NOT COMPETE but they have no incentive to innovate either. They're just huge profit vultures feeding off a populous who has no power to do anything about it.

The argument dtp was about health care and I can't prove a negative, sorry. What I can prove is that the private sector has failed miserably in providing health care. It's akin to the financial sector which after what happened last year you can rightfully say has failed America in spades.
 
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Not sure if it's the best example, but flood insurance comes to mind. Why would people go through FEMA (of all organizations) if the private sector were remotely good at providing that service?
 
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unofan said:
You haven't even made the one argument you should be making in your responses, which is that a private company might have a greater incentive to innovate.
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Exactly! For example, one very profitable innovation of the Health Insurance industry was the policy of rescission.



(Bad example?)
 
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amherstblackbear said:
Not sure if it's the best example, but flood insurance comes to mind. Why would people go through FEMA (of all organizations) if the private sector were remotely good at providing that service?
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Bad example.

The private sector is handicapped by retarded federal laws. The other problem is that in areas where the government actually allows people to purchase flood insurance most don't because mortgage companies only require a homeowner's policy (which doesn't include flood coverage) and don't require a flood policy. And thirdly, education is a problem as the average person doesn't know homeowner's insurance doesn't include flood coverage until it's too late.
 
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Bill said:
Congress is contemplating placing a new tax on health insurance companies. It will be interesting to see how high insurance premiums will rise once Congress actually produces a health care bill and Obama signs it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-tax-on-insurance-firms/?feat=home_headlines
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This helps make the case for the Public Option.

walrus said:
You mean health insurance won't be free once Obama and Congress get done.?
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This helps make the case for Single Payer.
 
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Put everyone in FEHBA and be done with it! Your share of the premium depends on your employer.
 
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