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5 dollar gas...are we ready?

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hockeyplayer1015 said:
Except you can't even use barge as an option in Montana or the Dakotas. Farthest north that we go would be MSP area.

The best option if you're looking to use commercial marine traffic to transport would be to build/utilize more US flag tankers and use the great lakes/St. Lawrence and ship it out to the Atlantic and south. As of now, virtually all tanker traffic on the lakes is foreign flagged, with the exception of a few Canadian flagged vessels.
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Maybe it's just me being daft, but aren't Canadians foreign? ;) I know we like to make jokes about the top hat, but they still aren't US...

Do the barges typically accept delivery from pipeline? I'm a little shocked that you wouldn't go to Duluth... of course, you're probably going along the K/W barrier (otherwise known as the Mississippi).
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Maybe it's just me being daft, but aren't Canadians foreign? ;) I know we like to make jokes about the top hat, but they still aren't US...

Do the barges typically accept delivery from pipeline? I'm a little shocked that you wouldn't go to Duluth... of course, you're probably going along the K/W barrier (otherwise known as the Mississippi).
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Well, I was mostly trying to make the point that since the Great Lakes are essentially a shared body of water, the vast majority of tankers are from other parts of the world, not the 2 countries that border it. Part of that also has to do with Sarnia and Montreal being the only real ports of call for liquid products. Chicago might have a small piece of that pie...

As far as the inland barge companies go, we do go to Chicago, but that is the only great lakes port we go to. I know my company has boats moving crude either to or from there, but I'm not sure which way it goes (I believe from Chicago, south). But once you get above St. Louis, its pretty much either going up the Illinois river towards Chicago, or continuing up the Mississippi to points north. I don't believe that we load directly from pipelines, however pipelines may be used in getting the products to the docks/refineries we work with.

From the marine standpoint, I would like to see the US develop liquid commodity ports on the great lakes, and utilize the St. Lawrence as an avenue to move it to the east/south. The only way we could get to Duluth is from Chicago. However with Lake Michigan and Lake Superior occasionally getting 20+ foot waves, our equipment would be turning into great reefs for the scuba divers.
 
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Speaking of corrections: The Illinois River ends (or technically starts) where the Des Plaines River and the Kankakee River meet just Southeast of Joliet. The Des Plains River turns northward near Midway airport and follows 294. The Chicago River dumps into the Des Plains (and subsequently the Illinois River) via the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal.
 
aparch said:
Speaking of corrections: The Illinois River ends (or technically starts) where the Des Plaines River and the Kankakee River meet just Southeast of Joliet. The Des Plains River turns northward near Midway airport and follows 294. The Chicago River dumps into the Des Plains (and subsequently the Illinois River) via the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal.
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Didn't want to get into too many specifics that weren't related to my main points, especially typing on my phone. Plus, I'm not sure what you're correcting exactly?
 
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Hey HP1015, does your company have any shipping routes along the Missouri? Perhaps, with this big boom in North Dakota, they build a refinery in the Bismarck area...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Hey HP1015, does your company have any shipping routes along the Missouri? Perhaps, with this big boom in North Dakota, they build a refinery in the Bismarck area...
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I don't think the Missouri is navigable anywhere close to Bismark. I'd be surprised if there is shipping traffic even into South Dakota on the Missouri River.
 
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unofan said:
Yeah, the dams pretty much prelude that.
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Do they not have locks? Or are the locks just too small for commercial traffic?

I'm not very familiar with the Missouri, but the presense of dams doesn't mean there can be no shipping traffic, it is the lack of locks that does that.
 
bigblue_dl said:
Do they not have locks? Or are the locks just too small for commercial traffic?

I'm not very familiar with the Missouri, but the presense of dams doesn't mean there can be no shipping traffic, it is the lack of locks that does that.
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It's been awhile since I've been to Gavins Point Dam, but I don't remember any locks.
 
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unofan said:
It's been awhile since I've been to Gavins Point Dam, but I don't remember any locks.
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Come to take a look at where you're looking, it doesn't look like there's locks. Oh well, so much for that idea. Guess they'd have to reapply for Sioux Falls. Too bad permits have limits and all eco-terrorists have to do is tie the matter up in court until the permits expire and then drop the case. I'm assuming this doesn't fall under the 6th?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Hey HP1015, does your company have any shipping routes along the Missouri? Perhaps, with this big boom in North Dakota, they build a refinery in the Bismarck area...
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Ya, as has been noted, I do not believe we go up the Mizzou. I do, however, believe we go up to/towards Tulsa, OK.
 
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walrus said:
I'm seriously looking at converting my service truck to propane
2.40 gal with 50 cent fed debate
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Is the unit price comparable? Would there be any sort of performance deficiency, similar to the claims of how natural gas may be cheaper, but doesn't put out as much?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Is the unit price comparable? Would there be any sort of performance deficiency, similar to the claims of how natural gas may be cheaper, but doesn't put out as much?
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Propane has quite a bit of energy in it, almost 3 times that of nat gas, but usually engines must be derated due to its tendancy to auto-ignite (knock).
 
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