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5 dollar gas...are we ready?

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In reality, VW diesels have been known to get 50+ on the highway.
I was going by the official ratings given on VW's site (30 city, 42 highway for the Jetta TDI, for example).

My only issue with diesel is having to pay a premium to use it, which offsets some of that gain in fuel efficiency (of course, if we started refining more of the stuff, at least some of that cost difference would go away).
 
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The silly thing is that gas costs more to refine. We just refine more of it. More supply, lower prices.

But there's an easier way to start: We could lower tax rates on diesel to match those on gas.
 
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We could lower tax rates on diesel to match those on gas.
Somehow I don't see "lower tax rates" happening with anything in our immediate future. :p

Given the sorry *** state of our infrastructure, the gas tax should go up (of course, this assumes that revenue would go to fixing roads and bridges rather than being spent on wasteful projects involving new roads and bridges that won't be adequately maintained, but that's neither here nor there).
 
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Fair enough. But separately from raising revenue for infrastructure maintenance . . .

I'm just asking why the federal tax on diesel is 24 cents/gal and gas is 18. Whether you lower diesel, raise gas, have 'em meet in the middle . . . whatever.
 
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Because clearly the environment, national defense, foreign relations, economics, and numerous other sectors have nothing to do with energy policy. It's entirely an engineering issue...
(this is why the Dilbert's of the world are stuck in cubicles - they can't see the forest for the trees).

I went out and raised over 6 figures for a pilot algae wastewater treatment to energy facility. What have you done? That’s right, you just talk and make yourself look like a fool. I’d normally tell you to come back after you read the world energy report, but I think you’d get hung up on terms like “scale”, “Kilowatt hours” and the like. For you it might be easier to read a book on numbers counting from 1 to 10 ( anything more will stress you out).

Your pathetic strawman arguments carry no weight. I, and anyone else, will continue to ignore you until you go away. However, 12000 posts later and virtually 0 contribution, it seems that you will not. Le sigh, back to the ignore abyss for you boy.
 
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I thought this administration was going to put science back in its rightful place in the decision making process? Well, unless of course science doesn't support such sacred cows as green energy, clean coal, corn ethanol, etc...

Well the administration flip flops on what it thinks- or more specifically what it says. One day, they abhor natural gas, the next they revel in it. It all depends on the political climate, not what actually works. An author who used to post on the energy tribune discussed the stark difference between France’s energy policy and ours - but the fundamental differences were in leadership. In the US, we revere lawyers and talking types, while in France, the number of lawyers per capita is much lower. Their top university is a polytechnic , ours is Harvard law. Their policy is directed by what works. There is a reason why 80% of their grid is, or will be ( forget which) powered by safe, reliable, long lasting, nuclear power. And to all the pundits who scream weapons grade material…has france had any issues with that so far?
 
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I went out and raised over 6 figures for a pilot algae wastewater treatment to energy facility. What have you done? That’s right, you just talk and make yourself look like a fool. I’d normally tell you to come back after you read the world energy report, but I think you’d get hung up on terms like “scale”, “Kilowatt hours” and the like. For you it might be easier to read a book on numbers counting from 1 to 10 ( anything more will stress you out).

Your pathetic strawman arguments carry no weight. I, and anyone else, will continue to ignore you until you go away. However, 12000 posts later and virtually 0 contribution, it seems that you will not. Le sigh, back to the ignore abyss for you boy.
Professional curiosity here...without getting into any proprietary information, what method are you using to capture energy from wastewater? You mention algae, is it something to do with this, or is it an increasingly more common CHP/digester/generator set setup?
 
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I'd be careful in praising France's Ecole system... but then again, my only exposure is through a phdcomics series on it
 
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Professional curiosity here...without getting into any proprietary information, what methed are you using to capture energy from wastewater? You mention algae, is it something to do with this, or is it an increasingly more common CHP/digester/generator set setup?
I believe the algae is used to treat the wastewater, and then algae can also be used to create fuel.
 
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Professional curiosity here...without getting into any proprietary information, what method are you using to capture energy from wastewater? You mention algae, is it something to do with this, or is it an increasingly more common CHP/digester/generator set setup?

The idea is insanely simple. For the same reasons that algae grow in your pool, you can cultivate them by feeding them what they want. They just so happen to eat Carbon dioxide and nitrate compounds. We were planning using flue gas carbon dioxide from a coal burning plan as well as nitrate compounds to feed the algae. Microalgae can consume 1.9 kg of CO2 for every kilogram of weight, so overall your looking at maybe a 6% overall reduction in CO2 flue gas emissions IF such a system could work. As for nitrate compounds, algae eat that stuff and can consume up to 80% of a solutions nitrate compounds within 20-30 hours of algae inoculation ( when they are introduced to a system).

The depleted algae could be refined for biodiesel, or you can send it through anaerobic digestion to create methane gas. Or you could take co fire it with coal, offsetting some coal if you so chose. John Beneman who was the pioneer in algae back in the 80s told us ( in person) that our idea for digestion was the best route. He was a bit of a curmudgeon though and was sadly pessimistic about algae’s hopes.

On the bright side, Solix biofuels released and is testing their first ever photbioractor based system in Colorodo. We shall see if its any good I guess. I am also keeping a close eye on synthetic genomics to see what they do. As for me, I have since moved on, but am still very interested in the energy markets. They are our livihood after all.
 
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The idea is insanely simple. For the same reasons that algae grow in your pool, you can cultivate them by feeding them what they want. They just so happen to eat Carbon dioxide and nitrate compounds. We were planning using flue gas carbon dioxide from a coal burning plan as well as nitrate compounds to feed the algae. Microalgae can consume 1.9 kg of CO2 for every kilogram of weight, so overall your looking at maybe a 6% overall reduction in CO2 flue gas emissions IF such a system could work. As for nitrate compounds, algae eat that stuff and can consume up to 80% of a solutions nitrate compounds within 20-30 hours of algae inoculation ( when they are introduced to a system).

The depleted algae could be refined for biodiesel, or you can send it through anaerobic digestion to create methane gas. Or you could take co fire it with coal, offsetting some coal if you so chose. John Beneman who was the pioneer in algae back in the 80s told us ( in person) that our idea for digestion was the best route. He was a bit of a curmudgeon though and was sadly pessimistic about algae’s hopes.

On the bright side, Solix biofuels released and is testing their first ever photbioractor based system in Colorodo. We shall see if its any good I guess. I am also keeping a close eye on synthetic genomics to see what they do. As for me, I have since moved on, but am still very interested in the energy markets. They are our livihood after all.
The projects that I am working on don't incorporate the algae, we provide and tailor engines (generators) to run on digester gas. Waste is circulated through a digester, which is heated by engine exhaust heat and engine coolant, the methane (and other component gasses) is released as the waste is heated, we collect it and burn it in the engine. Depending on the quality of the fuel, we get 1-1.5 megawatts for each 91 liter engine installation. The toughest part is ensuring that the gas is clean, digester gasses have a tendency to have H2S in them, which, when it enters the crankcase, condenses and produces sulfuric acid, which destroys bearings and other engine internals.

I would guess that this process could still be used in conjunction with the algae, but since I'm not as familiar with the algae process, I don't know how that would affect the viability of the wastewater for a digester application.
 
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DING! DING! DING!!
A DC Gas Station!

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We're screwed. The failure of any sense of any energy policy in this country and the abysmal failure of America not being able to drill in the ocean (I don't care what the depth is) safely has put the nail in the coffin on the economy.
 
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Imagine people who fill up 15 gallons per week. 75$ a week, or 300 $ a month. That’s a car payment for a decent vehicle!

Keeping fingers crossed that this doesn’t hurt the economy too much.
 
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We're screwed. The failure of any sense of any energy policy in this country and the abysmal failure of America not being able to drill in the ocean (I don't care what the depth is) safely has put the nail in the coffin on the economy.
We should just adopt Communism and call it a day.
 
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No, that won't work either. Maybe an actual energy policy is in order. One with true oversight instead of the inmates running the asylum.

I honestly don’t see how he could go from what you posted earlier about a congruent energy policy to...communism? You are spot on. We need an energy policy driven by data- evaluate our needs, our capabilities and what is physically realistic. Natural gas is realistic. We are sitting on a ton! Nuclear is realistic. We could displace coal firing and stop strip mining! There are ton of business opportunities to be had here , all while bringing down energy costs, reducing pollution ( within reason), and helping everyone keep the lights on.

Maybe that’s a communistic stance. I don’t know. If only engineers ran the country ;)
 
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No, that won't work either. Maybe an actual energy policy is in order. One with true oversight instead of the inmates running the asylum.

I've been politically conscious since Carter and EVERY president since then has announced each of the following amid great fanfare:

+ An Education policy
+ A Middle East Peace policy
+ An Energy policy

So far, I've seen 5 x 3 = 15 "landmark" policies, all of which have been promised as "revolutionary," 12 of which changed nothing and 3 of which (all Dubya's) made things significantly worse.

All I really want from Obama is a return to the radical political decision to "not make things too much more terrible."
 
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