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5 dollar gas...are we ready?

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Sam's Club gas is awful. Normally, I can get to FlagDUDETTE's place and back on 3/4 tank. This time, it took the whole darn tank! :eek:
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Sams club used to have a throughput agreement with Mobil in Maine, Sams gas was the same as Mobil here.Mobil pulled out of state yet somehow they still sell gas here, Not sure how when they sold their 2 terminals, Hampden and So Portland.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Sam's Club gas is awful. Normally, I can get to FlagDUDETTE's place and back on 3/4 tank. This time, it took the whole darn tank! :eek:
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Higher ethanol content at Sams? Illinois allows "up to 10% ethanol" blended with the gasoline at every station (no matter who sells it). I certainly have noticed that some stations get me different mileage, but not with enough regularity to pinpoint who to avoid.



And my uneducated opinion is that problems that owners of early 2000 GM products have regarding emissions is related to the sudden influx of ethanol.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Sam's Club gas is awful. Normally, I can get to FlagDUDETTE's place and back on 3/4 tank. This time, it took the whole darn tank! :eek:
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I call blasphemy on this.

You're saying that your MPG decreased a VERY substantial amount, unless you drive a gas guzzler and it has a small tank. Otherwise, your talking an estimated 5-10 MPG drop? There's something else at play than simply a change in gas station.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
I call blasphemy on this.

You're saying that your MPG decreased a VERY substantial amount, unless you drive a gas guzzler and it has a small tank. Otherwise, you're talking an estimated 5-10 MPG drop? There's something else at play than simply a change in gas station.
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First off, FYP.

If there was a difference in how I drove between point A and point B (e.g. heat usage, out-of-the-ordinary accelerating/braking, different average velocity at certain points), I wouldn't be complaining. However, a little "driving around town" does not consume 3/16 of a tank, especially where I was.
 
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It's my understanding that E85 can cause a 20-30% drop in mileage, but that's still a long way from what comes from the normal pump. Something else is at play there.

As for other things in the gas tanks, there are a couple stations around here that have publicized about having water in the tanks. Not hard to figure out why those places are empty most of the time.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
I call blasphemy on this.

You're saying that your MPG decreased a VERY substantial amount, unless you drive a gas guzzler and it has a small tank. Otherwise, your talking an estimated 5-10 MPG drop? There's something else at play than simply a change in gas station.
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There was probably a strong head wind involved that he's not mentioning. The best MPG I ever had in my old Altima was driving from Iowa to Minnesota on I-35when there were 20-30 MPH winds coming out of the south. Those winds increased my MPG to roughly 37 when my norm summer MPG was 29-32, depending on highway or city driving.
 
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aparch said:
Higher ethanol content at Sams? Illinois allows "up to 10% ethanol" blended with the gasoline at every station (no matter who sells it). I certainly have noticed that some stations get me different mileage, but not with enough regularity to pinpoint who to avoid.



And my uneducated opinion is that problems that owners of early 2000 GM products have regarding emissions is related to the sudden influx of ethanol.
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I haven't really noticed too much of a difference between 0% and 10% ethanol, at least not enough to justify the 50 cent price gap in New York City-state. Perhaps they really water it down in order to lower the price and still be profitable.
 
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St. Clown said:
There was probably a strong head wind involved that he's not mentioning. The best MPG I ever had in my old Altima was driving from Iowa to Minnesota on I-35when there were 20-30 MPH winds coming out of the south. Those winds increased my MPG to roughly 37 when my norm summer MPG was 29-32, depending on highway or city driving.
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This is also something I would have noticed if it happened. It did not.
 
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That, and a change in weather. My Fusion gets 25-26 in the winter, and 29-30 in other seasons (read: 40 and above). That could also explain a 10-15% drop right there. My truck was known for that, too.
 
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Hammer said:
That, and a change in weather. My Fusion gets 25-26 in the winter, and 29-30 in other seasons (read: 40 and above). That could also explain a 10-15% drop right there. My truck was known for that, too.
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My comparison is not seasonally related, as the trip is made enough times during the year to not use it as a basis. Sub zero wasn't involved this time around.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I haven't really noticed too much of a difference between 0% and 10% ethanol, at least not enough to justify the 50 cent price gap in New York City-state. Perhaps they really water it down in order to lower the price and still be profitable.
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If you have noticed the difference in E10 compared to non ethanol fuel you aren't paying attention.
 
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Hammer said:
That, and a change in weather. My Fusion gets 25-26 in the winter, and 29-30 in other seasons (read: 40 and above). That could also explain a 10-15% drop right there. My truck was known for that, too.
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colder air is more dense, thus requires a larger volume of gasoline for combustion hence lower gas mileage but conversely higher power.
 
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Question on getting "different" gas at stations:

I can't remember if it was on Modern Marvels or some other TV show, but I seem to remember them talking about this as being a myth... For anything other than a true, national brand like BP or Shell, they would basically just sell the same, generic gasoline... Reason being that all the small companies shared the pipelines used to move refined gas across the country since no single company could pay for exclusive use... As a result, companies would use the same product... Example: Company A would put 10,000 gallons (simple numbers here) into the system in Louisiana on Monday... On Tuesday, they would pull 10,000 gallons out of the pipeline in Ohio... It would be impossible for the 10,000 gallons to have covered the distance in the pipeline, so the gas Company A pulled out was not the same they put in...

This is why I never really went to BP's that were a few cents higher around here... I didn't feel I was getting a lesser product, despite being from a regional chain... I understand that there can be individual problems at stations, such as water/condensation forming in an individual stations tanks... I just never really noticed a difference... I just went to whomever had the cheapest price... Am I missing something here? I just never got the whole station to station debate based on this logic...
 
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You're looking at the crude oil, which will be the same as the crude entering the Gulf of Mexico's pipelines will be the same (light sweet crude vs. west texas brent vs. ...)

When you take the oil from the refineries, there you have a few different options. Some national brands have a stable of refineries that cater to them specifically while others use regional refineries. Local to Minneapolis-St. Paul, we have two main refineries for providing product. There's the Ashland refinery, which provides refined gasoline to their Speedy partners as first priority (Super America is the local Speedy Stations chain) and will then sell excess to whomever, and then there's the Pine Bend Refinery (formerly named Koch Refinery - yes, THOSE Kochs), which is explicitly unaffiliated with any national chain and therefore caters to whomever, including those chains. Holiday Stations (local chain) uses Pine Bend.

What the refineries will do is brew up the standard diesel, 87, 89 and 91 octanes and the E85, then add in various detergents at the request of whichever station is buying. The detergents are your wildcard in this equation, though there's not really that much difference between them as an overall percentage of what your purchase at the pump.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Question on getting "different" gas at stations:

I can't remember if it was on Modern Marvels or some other TV show, but I seem to remember them talking about this as being a myth... For anything other than a true, national brand like BP or Shell, they would basically just sell the same, generic gasoline... Reason being that all the small companies shared the pipelines used to move refined gas across the country since no single company could pay for exclusive use... As a result, companies would use the same product... Example: Company A would put 10,000 gallons (simple numbers here) into the system in Louisiana on Monday... On Tuesday, they would pull 10,000 gallons out of the pipeline in Ohio... It would be impossible for the 10,000 gallons to have covered the distance in the pipeline, so the gas Company A pulled out was not the same they put in...

This is why I never really went to BP's that were a few cents higher around here... I didn't feel I was getting a lesser product, despite being from a regional chain... I understand that there can be individual problems at stations, such as water/condensation forming in an individual stations tanks... I just never really noticed a difference... I just went to whomever had the cheapest price... Am I missing something here? I just never got the whole station to station debate based on this logic...
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Throughput happens everywhere, Oil company A has a terminal in Oil Company Bs area, Oil company B doesn't have a terminal in that area. Oil Company A says yeah you can pull from my terminal if I can pull from your terminal in area I don't have supply. Happens all the time.
Additive pkgs will be brand specific but if I don't have a terminal in that area guess what you aren't getting that additive. Also If I'm a Shell or whoever distributor and that terminal runs out and I can buy unbranded product, guess whats going into that tank..
 
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