TonyTheTiger20
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Hey, the Soviets used to be super t3h awesomez too but they won't be winning any wars any time soon. Stop living in the past.
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#4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHROOM!
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Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
The difference being that your example is 40 years old but the the WCHA's streak is still CURRENT...not a good comparison.
The difference being that your example is 40 years old but the the WCHA's streak is still CURRENT...not a good comparison.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
That's splitting hairs and you know it. The winner of the NCAA tournament 11 years ago or 1 year ago has no bearing on this tournament or which conference was strongest *this year*. Or any year, for that matter -- you can have a team win a championship that wasn't in the best conference, and on top of that, you can have a team win a championship who, in all honesty, really wasn't the best team in the country.
Furthermore, the argument is which conference top to bottom. Even if you want to play off the WCHA's fortunate late-season runs the last few years, if you can't see the fact that Hockey East is strongest top to bottom, then you are blind not just to the math but to the eyeball test results staring you square in the face.
TonyTheTiger20
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We were a breakaway with under a minute left away from preventing the upset last year. I can appreciate supporting your program, but to pretend you're not afraid UW's luck is going to run out this weekend is just ignorant.I think "it's cute" how BC Eagle fans actually think they have a chance at beating the UW Badgers in their semi.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
That is my greatest fear -- that UW's luck may run out. I'm actually in therapy for that, although I'm afraid my "doctor" may be a quack. I just don't see how drinking paint thinner is going to help. I knew I shouldn't have gone to a clinic on the other side of the St. Croix, but that's the only hit I got when I googled "Badgersluckranoutphobia".
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
No it's not! The Soviet Union's military has absolutely nothing to do with this game. But if you are honest you would admit that which conference has won the past 11 NCAA Championships might have more relevance.
I agree with the first part of your argument here. Every year the tournament is a whole new ballgame, and as long as you're still playing you have a chance.
But as far as which CONFERENCE was the strongest this year, it's totally obvious that it was the WCHA. I was curious just how much stronger so I went back and checked the records. In head-to-head games against Hockey East, the WCHA went 13-2-1, scoring 78 goals to just 22. No arguments on the conference question, at least this year.
See above, and then come back with some facts to support your case. I just had my eyes checked so I know that's not the problem!
No it's not! The Soviet Union's military has absolutely nothing to do with this game. But if you are honest you would admit that which conference has won the past 11 NCAA Championships might have more relevance.
I agree with the first part of your argument here. Every year the tournament is a whole new ballgame, and as long as you're still playing you have a chance.
But as far as which CONFERENCE was the strongest this year, it's totally obvious that it was the WCHA. I was curious just how much stronger so I went back and checked the records. In head-to-head games against Hockey East, the WCHA went 13-2-1, scoring 78 goals to just 22. No arguments on the conference question, at least this year.
See above, and then come back with some facts to support your case. I just had my eyes checked so I know that's not the problem!
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
And what does last year have to do with this year? (I'll let you answer that)
And what does last year have to do with this year? (I'll let you answer that)
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Try again.
I was discussing Wisconsin's run of luck in that post, which included their lucky win over BC last year. Your B.A. in Ice Fishing from UW clearly doesn't help your reading comprehension skills.
Try again.
ManBehindTheCurtain
Great and powerful wizard
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
I believe that degree is actually a bachelor of science.
I do not believe that the Wisconsin university system grants a bachelor of arts in Ice Fishing.
I believe that degree is actually a bachelor of science.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Not true. The WCHA is 11-3 in NCAA championships. Some years, the east can't even manage to get a losing team to the title game.
Not true. The WCHA is 11-3 in NCAA championships. Some years, the east can't even manage to get a losing team to the title game.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Hey, congratulations. Once in a while the eastern teams beat up on each other. Whoopie. Like I said, best top to bottom. You can ignore the math all you want but it just makes you look ignorant.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Grant, seems to me that you're the one who is ignoring the math. From my post above:
"In head-to-head games against Hockey East, the WCHA went 13-2-1, scoring 78 goals to just 22. No arguments on the conference question, at least this year."
So which conference is best, top to bottom?
Grant, seems to me that you're the one who is ignoring the math. From my post above:
"In head-to-head games against Hockey East, the WCHA went 13-2-1, scoring 78 goals to just 22. No arguments on the conference question, at least this year."
So which conference is best, top to bottom?
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Don't let them get you down, Grant, an artist is seldom understood in his own time. How many times do you think Picasso had to hear people say, "Hey, Pablo! You put that eye in the wrong place!" Someday, the math will catch up.
Don't let them get you down, Grant, an artist is seldom understood in his own time. How many times do you think Picasso had to hear people say, "Hey, Pablo! You put that eye in the wrong place!" Someday, the math will catch up.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Unless we had some kind of ACC/Big 10 challenge for women's hockey, that argument is going to be about as useful as watching a good FCS team beating up on an awful BCS team to decide which has a better level of football.
Let's have a quick rundown:
1) Wisconsin v. Northeastern: I'll give this to the WCHA, but not by much.
2) Minnesota v. Boston College: Toss up.
3) North Dakota v. Boston University: This is the Terriers and it's not even close (barf)
4) Minnesota Duluth v. Providence: Give this one to the WCHA as well, but an argument can be made for PC.
5) Ohio State v. Maine: Lol. +1 WHEA.
6) Bemidji v. New Hampshire: Not the New Hampshire of old, but this is still WHEA's point.
7) St. Cloud vs. UConn: What an awful, awful hockey team St. Cloud is. UConn's no Team Canada but they win this one too.
8) Minnesota State vs. Vermont: Toss up. I would not pay money to watch this hockey game.
The SUPER T3H AW3SOMEZ WCHA would go 2-4-2 in such a series. Not a perfect measure by any means, but a far more convincing argument than "BUT BUT BUT STOP IT WE WERE 13-2-1 AGAINST HOCKEY EAST THIS YEAR EVEN THOUGH A TON OF THOSE GAMES WERE GOOD TEAMS VS. BAD TEAMS YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOOD AT BEING SMART STOP HAVING A REAL ARGUMENT WITH ME WITH FACTS I'M TELLING MY MOMMY!!!"
Try again, buddy/friend/guy.
If you want to hang your hat on a bunch of wins by the WCHA big four over the dregs of Hockey East, be my guest. Look, this year the WCHA had a better season than last year's abortion, but they're still not up to snuff with how deep Hockey East is.
Unless we had some kind of ACC/Big 10 challenge for women's hockey, that argument is going to be about as useful as watching a good FCS team beating up on an awful BCS team to decide which has a better level of football.
Let's have a quick rundown:
1) Wisconsin v. Northeastern: I'll give this to the WCHA, but not by much.
2) Minnesota v. Boston College: Toss up.
3) North Dakota v. Boston University: This is the Terriers and it's not even close (barf)
4) Minnesota Duluth v. Providence: Give this one to the WCHA as well, but an argument can be made for PC.
5) Ohio State v. Maine: Lol. +1 WHEA.
6) Bemidji v. New Hampshire: Not the New Hampshire of old, but this is still WHEA's point.
7) St. Cloud vs. UConn: What an awful, awful hockey team St. Cloud is. UConn's no Team Canada but they win this one too.
8) Minnesota State vs. Vermont: Toss up. I would not pay money to watch this hockey game.
The SUPER T3H AW3SOMEZ WCHA would go 2-4-2 in such a series. Not a perfect measure by any means, but a far more convincing argument than "BUT BUT BUT STOP IT WE WERE 13-2-1 AGAINST HOCKEY EAST THIS YEAR EVEN THOUGH A TON OF THOSE GAMES WERE GOOD TEAMS VS. BAD TEAMS YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOOD AT BEING SMART STOP HAVING A REAL ARGUMENT WITH ME WITH FACTS I'M TELLING MY MOMMY!!!"
Try again, buddy/friend/guy.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
Grant, your comments are based on opinion/conjecture instead of what actually happened this year.
The 13-2-1 record that the WCHA pasted on HE includes:
2 games vs. B.C. (finished 2nd)
4 games vs. B.U. (finished 3rd)
2 games vs. Maine (finished 4th)
2 games vs. Providence (finished 5th)
2 games vs. UNH (finished 6th)
2 games vs. Connecticut (finished 7th)
2 games vs. Vermont (finished 8th)
So, other than Northeastern, all Hockey East teams played WCHA teams, so the actual results were very representative of the strength of the two conferences.
And when comparing Northeastern and Wisconsin, you say "I'll give this to the WCHA, but not by much". Huh? In the most current USCHO rankings, Wisconsin is No. 1; Northeastern is No. 9. In the Pairwise, it's #1 vs. a tie for 5th - not exactly close either.
Another way to look at it would be to compare the rankings of all teams in each conference, using KRACH (which ranks all D1 teams). Here are the results:
WCHA.......................Hockey East
1. Wisconsin..............9. Northeastern
2. Minnesota..............6. Boston College
4. North Dakota.........10. Boston University
5. Minnesota Duluth....19. Maine
13. Ohio State...........21. Providence
11. Bemidji State........25. New Hampshire
27. St. Cloud State.....32. Connecticut
23. Minnesota State....30. Vermont
Average KRACH rankings:
WCHA - 10.75
Hockey East - 19.0
More importantly, when you look at the finishing order of each conference, 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, etc. Hockey East does not win one single matchup! I look forward to reading your rebuttal, based on some basis of fact as opposed to just your opinion. Based on this season's results, or using an unbiased ranking system, I don't believe there is any way you can spin it in Hockey East's favor.
But all that said, I do want to emphasize that at this important juncture past results mean nothing. When it gets to this stage - a single game elimination championship - anything can happen. A bounce or a misplay here, a post or a call against there can decide which team is champion and which one is not. I think you will agree, that's what makes it fun and exciting for us fans!
Grant, your comments are based on opinion/conjecture instead of what actually happened this year.
The 13-2-1 record that the WCHA pasted on HE includes:
2 games vs. B.C. (finished 2nd)
4 games vs. B.U. (finished 3rd)
2 games vs. Maine (finished 4th)
2 games vs. Providence (finished 5th)
2 games vs. UNH (finished 6th)
2 games vs. Connecticut (finished 7th)
2 games vs. Vermont (finished 8th)
So, other than Northeastern, all Hockey East teams played WCHA teams, so the actual results were very representative of the strength of the two conferences.
And when comparing Northeastern and Wisconsin, you say "I'll give this to the WCHA, but not by much". Huh? In the most current USCHO rankings, Wisconsin is No. 1; Northeastern is No. 9. In the Pairwise, it's #1 vs. a tie for 5th - not exactly close either.
Another way to look at it would be to compare the rankings of all teams in each conference, using KRACH (which ranks all D1 teams). Here are the results:
WCHA.......................Hockey East
1. Wisconsin..............9. Northeastern
2. Minnesota..............6. Boston College
4. North Dakota.........10. Boston University
5. Minnesota Duluth....19. Maine
13. Ohio State...........21. Providence
11. Bemidji State........25. New Hampshire
27. St. Cloud State.....32. Connecticut
23. Minnesota State....30. Vermont
Average KRACH rankings:
WCHA - 10.75
Hockey East - 19.0
More importantly, when you look at the finishing order of each conference, 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, etc. Hockey East does not win one single matchup! I look forward to reading your rebuttal, based on some basis of fact as opposed to just your opinion. Based on this season's results, or using an unbiased ranking system, I don't believe there is any way you can spin it in Hockey East's favor.
But all that said, I do want to emphasize that at this important juncture past results mean nothing. When it gets to this stage - a single game elimination championship - anything can happen. A bounce or a misplay here, a post or a call against there can decide which team is champion and which one is not. I think you will agree, that's what makes it fun and exciting for us fans!
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
This one is my favorite, but only for the phrase, "the New Hampshire of old." I may be awake all night puzzling over that paradox.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
D2D, you're cherry picking like crazy. The tops if the WCHA played the majority of those games.
Look, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I presented you with my facts and you gave me what you feel supports your opinion and I don't think either of us are going to persuade the other. I do agree that we should be into a fun game and hopefully BC can avoid the upset this year.
D2D, you're cherry picking like crazy. The tops if the WCHA played the majority of those games.
Look, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I presented you with my facts and you gave me what you feel supports your opinion and I don't think either of us are going to persuade the other. I do agree that we should be into a fun game and hopefully BC can avoid the upset this year.
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: #4 BC vs. #1 Wisconsin - NCAA Semis: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger... MUSHROOM, MUSHR
I'll leave the combatants/spin doctors with this little nugget to add fuel to the fire:
"It will be quite easy for BC to avoid the upset this year".
I'll leave the combatants/spin doctors with this little nugget to add fuel to the fire:
"It will be quite easy for BC to avoid the upset this year".