Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are doomed.
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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Yeah, that's why we're stuck in a land war in Asia. Because your ****ing Senator learns from history.
Yeah, that's why we're stuck in a land war in Asia. Because your ****ing Senator learns from history.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
China and the US are going to sabre rattle back and forth at each other for a very long time to come. We will see our battle fleets perform maneuvers near waters where China claims authority yet others in the area disagree, just as China will continue to push until they come to the brink of war only to then relent. For all of the seemingly hostile acts China takes, they've not directly (important word here) entered into war with another nation since WWII, and only did so because Japan invaded.
The US and China need each other too much, our economies are so grossly intertwined at this point that it would be both political and economic suicide for the two nations to enter into either a cold or hot war, considerations that never existed between us and Soviet Russia in the 1940s.
As for Russia, they're in Syria because they're an authoritarian people and they long for some semblance of the glory years of their Soviet empire, something most of their leadership still actively remembers. Every time the declared leaders of the world are upended, it creates a great deal of turmoil for the people. The Soviets are ousted from power in the late 80s and early 90s, conflict and hardship ensued during the transition. Current leadership has externalized their authoritarian need and applied them to other countries they see going through similar issues. Crimea wasn't happy with the fledgling Ukraine leadership, and there was military significance to the region, so Russia "helped" the situation by annexing Crimea and "stabilize" the situation. Syria's king has been challenged for more than three years now and the nation is in shambles with refugees pouring into Europe, so the Russians rush to the aid of the authority that they believe should be in charge. It helps Russia's national pride that it's also in opposition to the US in Syria, but that's just the side benefit to them.
China and the US are going to sabre rattle back and forth at each other for a very long time to come. We will see our battle fleets perform maneuvers near waters where China claims authority yet others in the area disagree, just as China will continue to push until they come to the brink of war only to then relent. For all of the seemingly hostile acts China takes, they've not directly (important word here) entered into war with another nation since WWII, and only did so because Japan invaded.
The US and China need each other too much, our economies are so grossly intertwined at this point that it would be both political and economic suicide for the two nations to enter into either a cold or hot war, considerations that never existed between us and Soviet Russia in the 1940s.
As for Russia, they're in Syria because they're an authoritarian people and they long for some semblance of the glory years of their Soviet empire, something most of their leadership still actively remembers. Every time the declared leaders of the world are upended, it creates a great deal of turmoil for the people. The Soviets are ousted from power in the late 80s and early 90s, conflict and hardship ensued during the transition. Current leadership has externalized their authoritarian need and applied them to other countries they see going through similar issues. Crimea wasn't happy with the fledgling Ukraine leadership, and there was military significance to the region, so Russia "helped" the situation by annexing Crimea and "stabilize" the situation. Syria's king has been challenged for more than three years now and the nation is in shambles with refugees pouring into Europe, so the Russians rush to the aid of the authority that they believe should be in charge. It helps Russia's national pride that it's also in opposition to the US in Syria, but that's just the side benefit to them.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Glad you agree with me, but I'm not seeing what your point is regarding the domino theory, which had some applicability but also fell far short of explaining many things that happened in the past, as is the case with most any theory.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
If you mean "we" as in your fellow conservatives, yes you are doomed so I agree completely. Neo-conservatism, aka neo-conartistism is a sh! t ideology that basically involves draft dodgers trying to play Rambo by sending other people and their kids off to wars with no vital US interests at stake. It gave us the worst war in the US History, Iraq, which I'm guessing you at the time whole heartedly supported.
During the Cold War, which I'm old enough to remember the tail end of, it was necessarily to oppose the Soviets at every turn. Now? Who gives a F if they want to get involved in Syria? Have at it Vlady. It will turn out as well as his foray into Ukraine, a neverending conflict with no exit strategy that will drain his finances for years. 40 years ago the Soviets would have had Ukraine conquered in weeks. Now its considered a victory is a pint sized terrority (Crimea) willingly decides to join up with them.
Same thing with China. If China's neighbors are concerned about encroachment into the South China Sea, they can all get together and form a defense pact to oppose them. A Japan-South Korea-Vietnam-Indonesia-Malaysia-Singapore-Myanmar-etc alliance would be a pretty formidable deterrent.
If you mean "we" as in your fellow conservatives, yes you are doomed so I agree completely. Neo-conservatism, aka neo-conartistism is a sh! t ideology that basically involves draft dodgers trying to play Rambo by sending other people and their kids off to wars with no vital US interests at stake. It gave us the worst war in the US History, Iraq, which I'm guessing you at the time whole heartedly supported.
During the Cold War, which I'm old enough to remember the tail end of, it was necessarily to oppose the Soviets at every turn. Now? Who gives a F if they want to get involved in Syria? Have at it Vlady. It will turn out as well as his foray into Ukraine, a neverending conflict with no exit strategy that will drain his finances for years. 40 years ago the Soviets would have had Ukraine conquered in weeks. Now its considered a victory is a pint sized terrority (Crimea) willingly decides to join up with them.
Same thing with China. If China's neighbors are concerned about encroachment into the South China Sea, they can all get together and form a defense pact to oppose them. A Japan-South Korea-Vietnam-Indonesia-Malaysia-Singapore-Myanmar-etc alliance would be a pretty formidable deterrent.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Speaking of not learning from history, this article about Kissinger and how he really saw Vietnam has more than a hint of similarity with our ill-fated adventures in Iraq.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/henry-kissinger-vietnam-diaries-213236?o=0
Speaking of not learning from history, this article about Kissinger and how he really saw Vietnam has more than a hint of similarity with our ill-fated adventures in Iraq.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/henry-kissinger-vietnam-diaries-213236?o=0
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Maybe your Senator should talk with him.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
It's all a part of the plan for population control. And before you start spouting modern conspiracy tin-foil-hat BS, this has been going on for thousands of years in "developed" societies that experience baby booms. This is why you see wars (or "war-like activity" with no official war declared) or genocides every 20-40 years or so in history, especially when a country did not sustain heavy losses in the previous war.
It's all a part of the plan for population control. And before you start spouting modern conspiracy tin-foil-hat BS, this has been going on for thousands of years in "developed" societies that experience baby booms. This is why you see wars (or "war-like activity" with no official war declared) or genocides every 20-40 years or so in history, especially when a country did not sustain heavy losses in the previous war.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Vietnam was about population control? Huh? Well, now there's a new angle I've never ever heard!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
If we ever get into a war with China it will be our fault. We're the expansionist power and the ideological zealot in that pairing.
China's the big guy in the freshman dorm who just wants to be left alone. The US is the snotty, entitled frat pledge who's always looking for a fight.
Russia's the messed up kid who gets kicked out mid-semester for dealing.
If we ever get into a war with China it will be our fault. We're the expansionist power and the ideological zealot in that pairing.
China's the big guy in the freshman dorm who just wants to be left alone. The US is the snotty, entitled frat pledge who's always looking for a fight.
Russia's the messed up kid who gets kicked out mid-semester for dealing.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Flagged. Zippy was great because it was surreal. Flaggy is just repetitive. At best, Flaggy is Zippy as drawn by the guy who did Family Circus.
Reading Flaggy's posts is like reading that Zippy cartoon. Maybe 1 out of 100 times you might "get it" but mostly its just darn weird!
Flagged. Zippy was great because it was surreal. Flaggy is just repetitive. At best, Flaggy is Zippy as drawn by the guy who did Family Circus.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
You know you've made it in the troll ranks when people start comparing you to cartoon characters.
You know you've made it in the troll ranks when people start comparing you to cartoon characters.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Yea the Embargo Act way back in the early days of this country was bad for the merchant traders, but it led to the rise of merchants in this country to fulfill the need generated by the lack of imported goods.
I want $ to stay in this country and be used to help Americans, not some chain smoking commie prig in Shanghai. (Will get me on the Hannity show, Mr. Producer?)
Yea the Embargo Act way back in the early days of this country was bad for the merchant traders, but it led to the rise of merchants in this country to fulfill the need generated by the lack of imported goods.
I want $ to stay in this country and be used to help Americans, not some chain smoking commie prig in Shanghai. (Will get me on the Hannity show, Mr. Producer?)
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Jeebus. That never even occurred to me. That's what we did back in Vietnam and we're doing it again now. Rather, instead of "fighting" "communism" we're "fighting" "radical" "Islam". (Separate quotes intentional.)
Blech. Thanks for ruining my Friday*
*Not that I had any notion of what we're doing as necessarily noble (or ignoble) or all sunshine and puppy dogs. I just hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Jeebus. That never even occurred to me. That's what we did back in Vietnam and we're doing it again now. Rather, instead of "fighting" "communism" we're "fighting" "radical" "Islam". (Separate quotes intentional.)
Blech. Thanks for ruining my Friday*
*Not that I had any notion of what we're doing as necessarily noble (or ignoble) or all sunshine and puppy dogs. I just hadn't thought of it in those terms.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
No, it's more like reading something from someone off his meds. One out of 100 is generous. I'm sure it's interesting if you were a psychologist or in the FBI, but it's not interesting to me one iota. Weird is being polite.
Reading Flaggy's posts is like reading that Zippy cartoon. Maybe 1 out of 100 times you might "get it" but mostly its just darn weird!
No, it's more like reading something from someone off his meds. One out of 100 is generous. I'm sure it's interesting if you were a psychologist or in the FBI, but it's not interesting to me one iota. Weird is being polite.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
You guys are going to be so embarrassed when we're all in adjacent reeducation cells at Walmart.
You guys are going to be so embarrassed when we're all in adjacent reeducation cells at Walmart.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Fk man, that would be awkward.
The leader is good, the leader is great!
We surrender our will, as of this date!
Fk man, that would be awkward.
The leader is good, the leader is great!
We surrender our will, as of this date!
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