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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
He is a civilian official. Openly gay individuals were never outright banned from those posts. It is a small footnote in a pedestrian news story, nothing more.
You guys are looking to stir the right-wing pot when there is no stew to stir. Now, if we were talking about an openly gay UCC commander, that would be a huge deal and a historic news story.
He is a civilian official. Openly gay individuals were never outright banned from those posts. It is a small footnote in a pedestrian news story, nothing more.
You guys are looking to stir the right-wing pot when there is no stew to stir. Now, if we were talking about an openly gay UCC commander, that would be a huge deal and a historic news story.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
It's still important. Prejudice can kill by one cut but more often by a thousand. It can die by a thousand as well.
It's still important. Prejudice can kill by one cut but more often by a thousand. It can die by a thousand as well.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
US needs an unspoken agreement with Russia that they can support Assad all day to keep a hold on his territory while we back the Kurds in Syria and then take the fight to ISIS held territory. No fan of the old boy, but at this point in time we've got bigger fish to fry than Assad. Were there no ISIS absolutely encourage his ouster but its down the list of priorities at this point.
So, Kurds get their own territory across Iraq and Syria. Ineffective but better than the alternative govts in Baghdad and Damascus hold their territory, and its bombs away everywhere else. Pretty soon there won't be anybody but terrorists left in this part of the world as everybody else has packed up and left for Europe.
US needs an unspoken agreement with Russia that they can support Assad all day to keep a hold on his territory while we back the Kurds in Syria and then take the fight to ISIS held territory. No fan of the old boy, but at this point in time we've got bigger fish to fry than Assad. Were there no ISIS absolutely encourage his ouster but its down the list of priorities at this point.
So, Kurds get their own territory across Iraq and Syria. Ineffective but better than the alternative govts in Baghdad and Damascus hold their territory, and its bombs away everywhere else. Pretty soon there won't be anybody but terrorists left in this part of the world as everybody else has packed up and left for Europe.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I think we are gradually moving to a situation where guys can't sit down in Washington, Moscow,and London and redraw those boundaries. I for one welcome our irrelevance. The US position in the Middle east is zugzwang and the sooner we're forced to realize it the better.
I think we are gradually moving to a situation where guys can't sit down in Washington, Moscow,and London and redraw those boundaries. I for one welcome our irrelevance. The US position in the Middle east is zugzwang and the sooner we're forced to realize it the better.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
I'd stick up for the Kurds because they've been our best allies. An underreported story is that they kicked ISIS out of their territory and have held it since then, unlike the useless Iraqi govt. Give them their own land and they've proven a willingness to defend it, which is one less headache & refuge crisis to deal with. They also seem less interested in conquering new territory.
Other than that, yeah its going to be fluid.
I'd stick up for the Kurds because they've been our best allies. An underreported story is that they kicked ISIS out of their territory and have held it since then, unlike the useless Iraqi govt. Give them their own land and they've proven a willingness to defend it, which is one less headache & refuge crisis to deal with. They also seem less interested in conquering new territory.
Other than that, yeah its going to be fluid.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
But to give some idea of the complexity, supporting the Kurds then alienates the Turks who are the closest thing we have to a powerful regional power broker, so then we undercut our opportunities to influence diplomatically which is how Cheney destabilized the region and created ISIS in the first place with his hamfisted "get rid of Sadam, torture and bomb" foreign policy.
Adding more players probably doesn't make a situation any less chaotic. The refugee crisis is an opportunity for the West to demonstrate to the Muslim world that we are not inherently at war with them and have the good will to help them. In terms of hearts and minds it's essential that we help them. Plus the fact that it's, ya know, kinda our fault in the first place.
But to give some idea of the complexity, supporting the Kurds then alienates the Turks who are the closest thing we have to a powerful regional power broker, so then we undercut our opportunities to influence diplomatically which is how Cheney destabilized the region and created ISIS in the first place with his hamfisted "get rid of Sadam, torture and bomb" foreign policy.
Adding more players probably doesn't make a situation any less chaotic. The refugee crisis is an opportunity for the West to demonstrate to the Muslim world that we are not inherently at war with them and have the good will to help them. In terms of hearts and minds it's essential that we help them. Plus the fact that it's, ya know, kinda our fault in the first place.
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Which I don't get because if you give the Kurds their own homeland in another country it ought to lessen the need to carve out territory in Turkey. Or put another way the Turkish govt can argue there's already a homeland over the border so they don't need another one. I'd trade annoyed Turks for some stability in the part of two disasterous countries. Gotta take your victories where you can, and right now these are the only people showing any iota of promise.
Which I don't get because if you give the Kurds their own homeland in another country it ought to lessen the need to carve out territory in Turkey. Or put another way the Turkish govt can argue there's already a homeland over the border so they don't need another one. I'd trade annoyed Turks for some stability in the part of two disasterous countries. Gotta take your victories where you can, and right now these are the only people showing any iota of promise.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
**** the Middle East.
Pull out now. Done with all of them. ****ing Saudi's won't take any refugee's? The hell with all of them.
**** the Middle East.
Pull out now. Done with all of them. ****ing Saudi's won't take any refugee's? The hell with all of them.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
It doesn't always work that way. The Kurds living in eastern Turkey don't want to move, they want to keep their homes and be in Kurdistan. Or at least that's what the PKK wants and what the Turks are afraid of. Turkey is only 70% Turkic and there may be some truth that Turkey is worried about the Kurds peeling off the east and Greek revanchists then reviving that ancient rivalry and wanting to peel off the Ionian coast. Plus I'm sure there are hardcore Turkish reactionaries who would then use that to push a radical backlash. The Turks probably see the status quo as the safest path, and they're probably right.
Not to mention that partitioning Iraq just makes Iran even more powerful.
Or, even more simply, the same logic ought to convince the Israelis to finally accept a two state solution but, even leaving Bibi and the gorillas aside for a moment, even sane Israelis see the risk of a sovereign power base and staging ground for Palestinian attacks (see: Lebanon, Hezbollah).
It doesn't always work that way. The Kurds living in eastern Turkey don't want to move, they want to keep their homes and be in Kurdistan. Or at least that's what the PKK wants and what the Turks are afraid of. Turkey is only 70% Turkic and there may be some truth that Turkey is worried about the Kurds peeling off the east and Greek revanchists then reviving that ancient rivalry and wanting to peel off the Ionian coast. Plus I'm sure there are hardcore Turkish reactionaries who would then use that to push a radical backlash. The Turks probably see the status quo as the safest path, and they're probably right.
Not to mention that partitioning Iraq just makes Iran even more powerful.
Or, even more simply, the same logic ought to convince the Israelis to finally accept a two state solution but, even leaving Bibi and the gorillas aside for a moment, even sane Israelis see the risk of a sovereign power base and staging ground for Palestinian attacks (see: Lebanon, Hezbollah).
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
If we genuinely are energy independent, I can think of no better place to start the inevitable withdrawal of the imperial stormtroopers than Saudi Arabia. Those guys are bad news, and while we criticize Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism Saudi money and men support every Sunni terrorist insurgency in the world.
If we genuinely are energy independent, I can think of no better place to start the inevitable withdrawal of the imperial stormtroopers than Saudi Arabia. Those guys are bad news, and while we criticize Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism Saudi money and men support every Sunni terrorist insurgency in the world.
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Breaking up countries where people no longer want to live in a federation is the way to go. While the Balkans aren't exactly BFF's the fact is the wars are over and everybody in the former Yugoslavia is respecting each other's borders. Iraq isn't a country in that the people want to live together. It never was. Give the Kurds their own space and the Turks just need to deal with it if they want our support the next time a dust up with Greece happens. If any other group commits itself to peace and basic human rights, they get their own territory too. Joe Biden was right. Split that country into 3.
Same thing with the Palestinians. Country 1 - Israel, Country 2 - Gaza, Country 3 - West Palestine. Negotiate different peace treaties based on different circumstances (Gaza territory is well defined with little or no settlements or Biblical areas, while West Bank has no sea coast but does have the settlement issue + Jerusalem to deal with). Eventually Palestinians will outnumber Jews in the country as currently constituted. Only way to avoid that is to start giving people their own country.
Breaking up countries where people no longer want to live in a federation is the way to go. While the Balkans aren't exactly BFF's the fact is the wars are over and everybody in the former Yugoslavia is respecting each other's borders. Iraq isn't a country in that the people want to live together. It never was. Give the Kurds their own space and the Turks just need to deal with it if they want our support the next time a dust up with Greece happens. If any other group commits itself to peace and basic human rights, they get their own territory too. Joe Biden was right. Split that country into 3.
Same thing with the Palestinians. Country 1 - Israel, Country 2 - Gaza, Country 3 - West Palestine. Negotiate different peace treaties based on different circumstances (Gaza territory is well defined with little or no settlements or Biblical areas, while West Bank has no sea coast but does have the settlement issue + Jerusalem to deal with). Eventually Palestinians will outnumber Jews in the country as currently constituted. Only way to avoid that is to start giving people their own country.
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
You're sounding like Pat Buchanan. Do you need the antidote?
You're sounding like Pat Buchanan. Do you need the antidote?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Not quite yet, but if I start dropping dog whistles about "western culture being in peril of drowning in a sea of immigrants," get the epiPen.
Not quite yet, but if I start dropping dog whistles about "western culture being in peril of drowning in a sea of immigrants," get the epiPen.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries on earth and might be the worst among the more first world states.
They are literally crucifying and beheading a guy because he spoke out against their government.
Crucifying. 21st century. What the **** man?
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries on earth and might be the worst among the more first world states.
They are literally crucifying and beheading a guy because he spoke out against their government.
Crucifying. 21st century. What the **** man?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd... 1 day. If you had "1 day" as the amount of time it would take one of these fvckstains to bawl about it, you are a winner.
Mike Huckabee, OTOH, is an ignorant bigot, albeit a predictable one.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd... 1 day. If you had "1 day" as the amount of time it would take one of these fvckstains to bawl about it, you are a winner.
Mike Huckabee, OTOH, is an ignorant bigot, albeit a predictable one.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
The average derp thinks Saudi makes the better ally than Iran were the US not so narrow minded in its dealings with the Middle East. Women actually have rights in Iran for instance just for starters.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion
Doritos poutrage inspires mediocre trolling. Frankly, I expected better given the idiocy of the topic / targets. His Target page was far better.
Doritos poutrage inspires mediocre trolling. Frankly, I expected better given the idiocy of the topic / targets. His Target page was far better.
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