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2nd Term Part X - A link to a fore gone conclusion

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Just because the guy who organized it was lack doesnt make it any better. Nice try though...
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Protecting your sister from a moose?

That's an absolute classic post. Well friggin done.
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Moose are mean, very territorial. They may look innocent, but, "f a [moose] ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!"

In truth, they are a dangerous animal. We just don't think about them like that because they live where most people don't. (Note: "Most" does not apply to Canadians.) And those that live around them, know better than to engage or pet those cunningly deceptive, cuddly looking killers.
 
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St. Clown said:
Moose are mean, very territorial. They may look innocent, but, "f a [moose] ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!"

In truth, they are a dangerous animal. We just don't think about them like that because they live where most people don't. (Note: "Most" does not apply to Canadians.) And those that live around them, know better than to engage or pet those cunningly deceptive, cuddly looking killers.
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Some of them pretend to be innocent, but still have flying minions to do their bidding. ;)
 
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Solid piece on mass incarceration and the effect of releasing drug offenders.

I must admit that though I knew the US was prison-crazy I didn't realize the incredible dimensions of the problem. The US currently incarcerates 725 people per 100,000. To put in perspective how enormous that is, the comparable numbers for the other largest economies:

725 US
119 China
49 Japan
76 Germany
146 UK
100 France
33 India
301 Brazil

Basically, we're a police state.

The comparable number for American blacks is 3,074.
 
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Kepler said:
Solid piece on mass incarceration and the effect of releasing drug offenders.

I must admit that though I knew the US was prison-crazy I didn't realize the incredible dimensions of the problem. The US currently incarcerates 725 people per 100,000. To put in perspective how enormous that is, the comparable numbers for the other largest economies:

725 US
119 China
49 Japan
76 Germany
146 UK
100 France
33 India
301 Brazil

Basically, we're a police state.

The comparable number for American blacks is 3,074.
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I'm quite surprised that your post didn't include anything about the Prison Industrial Complex. In order for some states to save operational money, they have outsourced their corrections facilities to private companies. These private companies, in turn, have lobbied their respective state (and sometimes federal) governments for mandatory minimum sentencing, lessening of parole, and higher arrest/conviction rates, sometimes to the point of violating the Constitution even if by trickery, in order to keep the prisons full because they are paid by the person incarcerated. Some states, such as NY in 2000, have prohibited the use of private companies running prisons.
 
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A foreign policy guideline for this administration and future administrations

one must always protect power where power is threatened; one must claim power where power is given away; and one must be taking power where no one holds power.
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I'm quite surprised that your post didn't include anything about the Prison Industrial Complex. In order for some states to save operational money, they have outsourced their corrections facilities to private companies. These private companies, in turn, have lobbied their respective state (and sometimes federal) governments for mandatory minimum sentencing, lessening of parole, and higher arrest/conviction rates, sometimes to the point of violating the Constitution even if by trickery, in order to keep the prisons full because they are paid by the person incarcerated. Some states, such as NY in 2000, have prohibited the use of private companies running prisons.
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Gotta hand it to FlagDude on this one. Definitely something that needs a lot more scrutiny. I'm related by marriage to a pastor who runs the Faith and Character Based Program for prisoners in a large Southern state, and he told me something fascinating. Before that though, I should mention this guy is no flaming liberal. Forget about thinking Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia. This guy thinks he was born in Kenya AND Indonesia, because the anti-Christ can do that! ;)

Anyway, he was telling me how much more expensive it is to pay for your prison population when you abolish parole. In his estimation about 15% of the prison population are people who should never see the light of day again. For the other 85%, they're going to get out of prison at some point. So, how do you manage that. I believe he cited Pennsylvania as having almost the same # of prisoners, but paying out $500M more each year to house them. With no parole, there's less incentive to behave, so attacks on guards and fellow prisoners go up. Also with parole, you keep track of recent parolees, they get drug tested, etc. If someone serves out their full sentence and leaves, you have no idea what they're up to afterwards. I'm curious if abolishing parole has some financial incentive behind it for these private prison operators...
 
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Rover said:
I'm curious if abolishing parole has some financial incentive behind it for these private prison operators...
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Longer stays and higher recidivism. Also, the more incidents during incarceration the more "special security services" the operator can bill the government for. The thing's a total scam -- it's the industrialization of the 1940's Mississippi prison farm system. Essentially, slavery. Same target group, too. Aint free enterprise grand?
 
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Kepler said:
Longer stays and higher recidivism. Also, the more incidents during incarceration the more "special security services" the operator can bill the government for. The thing's a total scam -- it's the industrialization of the 1940's Mississippi prison farm system. Essentially, slavery. Same target group, too. Aint free enterprise grand?
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As much as this concept makes conservative heads explode, there are some things that should not be operating on a for profit basis, because the emphasis to cut costs in order to pay shareholders gets in the way of the mission. You wouldn't want to outsource law enforcement for example. Nor national defense, the food and drug administration, etc. Prisons are another one.
 
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Rover said:
As much as this concept makes conservative heads explode, there are some things that should not be operating on a for profit basis, because the emphasis to cut costs in order to pay shareholders gets in the way of the mission. You wouldn't want to outsource law enforcement for example. Nor national defense, the food and drug administration, etc. Prisons are another one.
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"Law enforcement" is already outsourced, in case you haven't noticed the numerous private security forces out there. National defence is also already outsourced; perhaps you haven't heard of the Military Industrial Complex? Food and Drug indirectly through lobbying, especially by Monsanto.
 
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Kepler said:
Longer stays and higher recidivism. Also, the more incidents during incarceration the more "special security services" the operator can bill the government for. The thing's a total scam -- it's the industrialization of the 1940's Mississippi prison farm system. Essentially, slavery. Same target group, too. Aint free enterprise grand?
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Hey now, at least service work, such as farming (unless you're talking about a different definition of farming) has some merit. Put it this way: You can either spend $50,000 a year for a dude to twiddle his thumbs in an 8x8, or you could at least have a shot at showing these prisoners how to be a productive member of society, possibly even giving them an opportunity once they are again square with the house. The trick is to not create dependence, which results in these school-to-prison paths and whatnot.
 
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