USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
- Thread starter joecct
- Start date
- Status
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
*******http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...nNSQHkDKVycRne9h1HHx5l6GQEb4JPZ8EeaWA********
*******http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...nNSQHkDKVycRne9h1HHx5l6GQEb4JPZ8EeaWA********
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Bush did not lie. Sadly, I cannot give the same retort regarding the kids. http://joeforamerica.com/2014/06/george-w-bushs-weapons-mass-destruction-found/#zjVzAgeGi6wYDRff.99
Bush did not lie. Sadly, I cannot give the same retort regarding the kids. http://joeforamerica.com/2014/06/george-w-bushs-weapons-mass-destruction-found/#zjVzAgeGi6wYDRff.99
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Gonna be a tough job convincing us you didn't buy into that story--it's just more of what you post on here all the time. The fact that you would 1) take the time to read that pablum, then 2) bother to post here, shows what kind of reading occupies your time. If, like food, you are what your read, you will not like what your diet of journalistic twinkies is doing to you.
It's funny how "It is now being said that" means it is the views of the poster. At no point did I say anything of the sort.
However, if FlagDUDETTE and I do happen to have children, I will make sure you send dxmnkd some e-pics.
Gonna be a tough job convincing us you didn't buy into that story--it's just more of what you post on here all the time. The fact that you would 1) take the time to read that pablum, then 2) bother to post here, shows what kind of reading occupies your time. If, like food, you are what your read, you will not like what your diet of journalistic twinkies is doing to you.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Do we actually have a single 9/11 Truther on the Forum? I've known some fairly off-the-wall conspiracy types (as in, "Satan plants those fossils as a snare and God lets him to test our faith"), but the two things I have never met are We Faked the Moon Landing Guy and an honest-to-God 9/11 Truther.
Do we actually have a single 9/11 Truther on the Forum? I've known some fairly off-the-wall conspiracy types (as in, "Satan plants those fossils as a snare and God lets him to test our faith"), but the two things I have never met are We Faked the Moon Landing Guy and an honest-to-God 9/11 Truther.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
The good guys win a little, but gratifying victory.
And by the good guys in this case I don't mean either partisan side -- the cheating bastages in this instance were GOP consultants but it could as easily have been the other way around. We all know how our democratic principles are constantly under assault from swine, and pretty much all of us know those swine come in every flavor. Since their near dominance of the process is one of the depressing realities we all have to deal with, it's healthy to celebrate the rare occasion where they go so far it's too much even for the rickety, corrupt mechanisms that ostensibly monitor them.
The good guys win a little, but gratifying victory.
And by the good guys in this case I don't mean either partisan side -- the cheating bastages in this instance were GOP consultants but it could as easily have been the other way around. We all know how our democratic principles are constantly under assault from swine, and pretty much all of us know those swine come in every flavor. Since their near dominance of the process is one of the depressing realities we all have to deal with, it's healthy to celebrate the rare occasion where they go so far it's too much even for the rickety, corrupt mechanisms that ostensibly monitor them.
Last edited:
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Give Flaggy a break. He's positioning himself for a VP spot on the GOP ticket in 2016!
Give Flaggy a break. He's positioning himself for a VP spot on the GOP ticket in 2016!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
And a statist thinks, "The government should employ people to help old ladies cross the street."
And a statist thinks, "The government should employ people to help old ladies cross the street."
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
No, to FORCE them across the street.
Geez, get it right!
And a statist thinks, "The government should employ people to help old ladies cross the street."
No, to FORCE them across the street.
Geez, get it right!
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
This is awesome. Rand Paul gives smackdown to Rick Perry over Iraq! Primary season in 2016 is going to be real interesting....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/rick-perry-is-dead-wrong-108860.html?hp=f3
This is awesome. Rand Paul gives smackdown to Rick Perry over Iraq! Primary season in 2016 is going to be real interesting....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/rick-perry-is-dead-wrong-108860.html?hp=f3
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
A Paul -- Hillary election would be the first time the Republican had the smarter foreign policy since* before WW2.
The lunacy of his domestic policies is more than enough to drown it out, but hey, at least somebody on that side has one eye that's not totally blind.
(*With one possible exception. I don't know enough of what Tricky Dick's 1960 FP was. JFK was a crazy "cold war liberal" who was paranoid about China and who, if he'd gotten two full terms, probably would have gotten us all killed, so Nixon might actually have been saner.)
A Paul -- Hillary election would be the first time the Republican had the smarter foreign policy since* before WW2.
The lunacy of his domestic policies is more than enough to drown it out, but hey, at least somebody on that side has one eye that's not totally blind.
(*With one possible exception. I don't know enough of what Tricky Dick's 1960 FP was. JFK was a crazy "cold war liberal" who was paranoid about China and who, if he'd gotten two full terms, probably would have gotten us all killed, so Nixon might actually have been saner.)
Last edited:
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Question primarily for Pio: What politician out there now is, in your opinion, most comparable to Goldwater? I know you cannot just remove someone from the context of the times in which they lived and operated, but interested hearing your opinion anyway. This is not a setup question.
Question primarily for Pio: What politician out there now is, in your opinion, most comparable to Goldwater? I know you cannot just remove someone from the context of the times in which they lived and operated, but interested hearing your opinion anyway. This is not a setup question.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
While we're waiting for Pio, my immediate thought was: Tom Coburn. Like Goldwater, he appears to believe it -- he's not just grabbing a focus-tested tool to advance himself (though obviously it does advance him). Also like Goldwater, he doesn't seem to give a crap what anybody else thinks (which is both good and bad). Coburn has neither Goldwater's colossal ego nor his intellect, but they're at least in the same ballpark.
While we're waiting for Pio, my immediate thought was: Tom Coburn. Like Goldwater, he appears to believe it -- he's not just grabbing a focus-tested tool to advance himself (though obviously it does advance him). Also like Goldwater, he doesn't seem to give a crap what anybody else thinks (which is both good and bad). Coburn has neither Goldwater's colossal ego nor his intellect, but they're at least in the same ballpark.
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
I'm not giving Rand Paul nearly as much credit as you are Kep. You have to be a total idiot to still defend the Iraq war and an even bigger one to want to go back there. Yes, I know I just labeled 3/4ths of the GOP and all neo-cons as total idiots but so be it. My point is, Paul isn't some brave insightful truthteller for pointing out to Rick Perry what 80% of the population already knows. He's essentually being the tallest midget over there. 
So, lets keep things in context here.
Beyond that, where is Paul on defense spending? You can say "no more Iraqs" and I can say "no sh !t Sherlock". But if Senator Aqua Buddha starts advocating a 2T defense industry buildup in peacetime (the Mittens platform which I don't recall him disagreeing with), then he's full of BS.
I'm not giving Rand Paul nearly as much credit as you are Kep. You have to be a total idiot to still defend the Iraq war and an even bigger one to want to go back there. Yes, I know I just labeled 3/4ths of the GOP and all neo-cons as total idiots but so be it.
My point is, Paul isn't some brave insightful truthteller for pointing out to Rick Perry what 80% of the population already knows. He's essentually being the tallest midget over there. So, lets keep things in context here.Beyond that, where is Paul on defense spending? You can say "no more Iraqs" and I can say "no sh !t Sherlock". But if Senator Aqua Buddha starts advocating a 2T defense industry buildup in peacetime (the Mittens platform which I don't recall him disagreeing with), then he's full of BS.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Rand is more of an opportunist than Ron when it comes to the military industrial complex -- he periodically emits guttural grunts about our Divine Right to police the world when his advisers remind him that Republicans are very sensitive about overcompensating for their minuscule, depreciating equipment -- but he's still far better than the rest of his party over at Murder Incorporated. The tallest midget is still the tallest, and a Hillary cheerleader probably doesn't want to get out the yardstick on this issue, as his girl does not meet even that low bar.
This is encouragingly adult behavior, factoring in that his party is perpetually stuck in elementary school. I'd love to see a hard cap -- say, half of the current military budget -- and we'll see what happens when the "small government" people start whispering to him that he's going after a goose that lays golden eggs in every Congressional district, most particularly in GOP districts with zero other choices for jobs.
Anyway, we'll see on the campaign trail. Maybe if Hillary is kicking the snot out of Generic Republican Nominee by 20 points on April 1, 2016 the party will say, "meh -- whatever, he cuts through the clutter and he won't actually be able to cut anything in reality," and give him his April Fool's chance.
As we've talked about before, there is no way any Dem or Republican gets < 45% in the general election -- the tribal wiring is just too strong now. Rand could be found with a dead girl and a live boy a month before Election Day and still sweep the South. So there's really no harm for the GOP, and there is a big potential upside since a legitimate libertarian message (not the hypocrisy the Teeps spew but the real thing) is yet another chance they have to repair some of their damage with youngins.
I'm not giving Rand Paul nearly as much credit as you are Kep. You have to be a total idiot to still defend the Iraq war and an even bigger one to want to go back there. Yes, I know I just labeled 3/4ths of the GOP and all neo-cons as total idiots but so be it.
Beyond that, where is Paul on defense spending? You can say "no more Iraqs" and I can say "no sh !t Sherlock". But if Senator Aqua Buddha starts advocating a 2T defense industry buildup in peacetime (the Mittens platform which I don't recall him disagreeing with), then he's full of BS.
Rand is more of an opportunist than Ron when it comes to the military industrial complex -- he periodically emits guttural grunts about our Divine Right to police the world when his advisers remind him that Republicans are very sensitive about overcompensating for their minuscule, depreciating equipment -- but he's still far better than the rest of his party over at Murder Incorporated. The tallest midget is still the tallest, and a Hillary cheerleader probably doesn't want to get out the yardstick on this issue, as his girl does not meet even that low bar.
This is encouragingly adult behavior, factoring in that his party is perpetually stuck in elementary school. I'd love to see a hard cap -- say, half of the current military budget -- and we'll see what happens when the "small government" people start whispering to him that he's going after a goose that lays golden eggs in every Congressional district, most particularly in GOP districts with zero other choices for jobs.
Anyway, we'll see on the campaign trail. Maybe if Hillary is kicking the snot out of Generic Republican Nominee by 20 points on April 1, 2016 the party will say, "meh -- whatever, he cuts through the clutter and he won't actually be able to cut anything in reality," and give him his April Fool's chance.
As we've talked about before, there is no way any Dem or Republican gets < 45% in the general election -- the tribal wiring is just too strong now. Rand could be found with a dead girl and a live boy a month before Election Day and still sweep the South. So there's really no harm for the GOP, and there is a big potential upside since a legitimate libertarian message (not the hypocrisy the Teeps spew but the real thing) is yet another chance they have to repair some of their damage with youngins.
Last edited:
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
The problem with Paul is that he's a conspiracy theorist. I want a realist in office and not somebody prone to wild theories. In a foreign policy debate he'd lose to Hillary because he'd be going off about how Hillary Clinton ordered the military to stand down in Benghazi so they wouldn't discover that Lois Lerner was secretly stashed there with a handful of Obama's executive orders to implement Sharia Law in the USA after the elections. In short, the guy's a loon.
EDIT: Having said that, I fully expect him to be the GOP's nominee given his family's donor network, boots already on the ground, and the sorta newish persona he can bring to an ancient party that is the Republicans. However, neo-cons aren't going to vote for him, so they most likely stay home or frankly vote for Hillary.
The problem with Paul is that he's a conspiracy theorist. I want a realist in office and not somebody prone to wild theories. In a foreign policy debate he'd lose to Hillary because he'd be going off about how Hillary Clinton ordered the military to stand down in Benghazi so they wouldn't discover that Lois Lerner was secretly stashed there with a handful of Obama's executive orders to implement Sharia Law in the USA after the elections. In short, the guy's a loon.
EDIT: Having said that, I fully expect him to be the GOP's nominee given his family's donor network, boots already on the ground, and the sorta newish persona he can bring to an ancient party that is the Republicans. However, neo-cons aren't going to vote for him, so they most likely stay home or frankly vote for Hillary.
Last edited:
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Any Republican will be a conspiracy theorist. "The Voting Rights Act was a deliberate, cynical ploy to develop a dependent culture." Stuff that'd get a Bircher laughed off the convention floor 30 years ago is now gospel on the right.
The Neocons are already prepping to embrace Hillary. It's not a leap (more of "a step to the riiiiiiiiight"), her people are already blowing those donors, and she's an Elder God who believes the first woman president is going to have to do the Thatcher Drag to neutralize all the misogyny out there in Real 'Murica (though she's wrong about this -- there's plenty of misogyny but those people aren't going to vote for her anyway, so if she's courting actual Neocon voters, assuming there are any outside a few Think Tanks and media salons, she's going to be disappointed).
I don't see Paul as having any sort of a leg up on the nomination -- in fact I think there will be a huge Stop Paul campaign among the Giuliani "9/11 Boner" types. People who want to have a fling with Objectivism can back Paul Ryan, who politely restricts his small government rhetoric to where it belongs -- cutting school lunch programs. Ryan seems to me to be the "no brainer" GOP nominee (no Perry jokes!)
Any Republican will be a conspiracy theorist. "The Voting Rights Act was a deliberate, cynical ploy to develop a dependent culture." Stuff that'd get a Bircher laughed off the convention floor 30 years ago is now gospel on the right.
The Neocons are already prepping to embrace Hillary. It's not a leap (more of "a step to the riiiiiiiiight"), her people are already blowing those donors, and she's an Elder God who believes the first woman president is going to have to do the Thatcher Drag to neutralize all the misogyny out there in Real 'Murica (though she's wrong about this -- there's plenty of misogyny but those people aren't going to vote for her anyway, so if she's courting actual Neocon voters, assuming there are any outside a few Think Tanks and media salons, she's going to be disappointed).
I don't see Paul as having any sort of a leg up on the nomination -- in fact I think there will be a huge Stop Paul campaign among the Giuliani "9/11 Boner" types. People who want to have a fling with Objectivism can back Paul Ryan, who politely restricts his small government rhetoric to where it belongs -- cutting school lunch programs. Ryan seems to me to be the "no brainer" GOP nominee (no Perry jokes!)
Last edited:
- Status