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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Rover said:
Hey, the dude sums up mainstream conservative thought. Now I understand some USCHO righties will get offended by that since they don't share his views, but for the most part social conservatives do. Hand out some truth syrum and ask all cons if they think rape victims should be forced by the govt to have their attacker's kid and I'm guessing the majority say "yes".
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Ever met a person who was a rape victim's child? If you do, you won't find it so easy to tell that person they should have been aborted.
 
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THIS pretty much lays waste to conservative theory about tax cuts spurring job growth. Fron CNBC today and I'm surprised they allowed it to be printed given how much they carry the water for Republicans. Larry Kudlow's head must have exploded. Fortunately it was empty...;)

Why state tax cuts aren't driving job growth
Rob Garver
46 Mins AgoFiscal TimesSHARES






When Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker delivered his State of the State address in January 2013, he promised that an agenda of budget cutting, reduced taxes and less business regulation would result in a better economic climate and more jobs for his state.

"Unlike the message coming out of Washington, I believe that putting more money in the hands of the people — instead of the government — is good for the economy," said the Republican governor, who is known as a reformer.


Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.Walker is just one of several Republican governors who, with the help of friendly Republican-dominated state legislatures, have spent the past few years slashing taxes – particularly on businesses – and cutting spending. States like Kansas and North Carolina have undertaken similar efforts, and at least in part, the justification has usually been that lowering the tax burden will attract new businesses, which will in turn create new jobs.


In 2012, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback wrote that his state's tax cuts would be "like a shot of adrenaline into the heart of the Kansas economy" that would "pave the way to the creation of tens of thousands of new jobs, bring tens of thousands of people to Kansas, and help make our state the best place in America to start and grow a small business."
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Bob Gray said:
Ever met a person who was a rape victim's child? If you do, you won't find it so easy to tell that person they should have been aborted.
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Not your decision to make for the woman, Bob. Or the governments.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Ever met a person who was a rape victim's child? If you do, you won't find it so easy to tell that person they should have been aborted.
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No I have not.

Have you ever met a pregnant rape victim? If you do, you won't find it easy to tell that person they have to carry their rapists child to term and that she has no choice in the matter.
 
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Kepler said:
Apparently the documented record is 11, though there are claimants as low as 5 on the books (which are probably cover stories for even worse atrocities).

If you can give birth at 11, then if you timed it well and had an undemanding local school district, you could be ringing up #4 by eighth grade.
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A classmate of mine had her 4th at 21 - not too shabby (up to 9 now, all with the same father and yes, somewhat unbelievably, they are married). Also, two of my classmates were grandmothers at 36 (that I know about - there are probably more even younger ones who can't afford Facebook). The joys of growing up in East Tennessee...
 
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ericredaxe said:
No I have not.

Have you ever met a pregnant rape victim? If you do, you won't find it easy to tell that person they have to carry their rapists child to term.
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I know someone who has had the child after being raped, and they are glad they did. I'm not saying nearly everyone feels that way, but this isn't the simple issue many try to style it as.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I know someone who has had the child after being raped, and they are glad they did. I'm not saying nearly everyone feels that way, but this isn't the simple issue many try to style it as.
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No, it's not simple. That's why it's the women's choice.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I know someone who has had the child after being raped, and they are glad they did. I'm not saying nearly everyone feels that way, but this isn't the simple issue many try to style it as.
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I totally respect her decision to keep the child. I would also totally respect a rape victims decision to terminate the pregnancy.

Why isn't it simple? It should be the choice of the rape victim and nobody else's. Seems pretty simple to me.

Edit: I noticed you dodged my question too....
 
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ericredaxe said:
I totally respect her decision to keep the child. I would also totally respect a rape victims decision to terminate the pregnancy.

Why isn't it simple? It should be the choice of the rape victim and nobody else's. Seems pretty simple to me.

Edit: I noticed you dodged my question too....
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I answered it by saying I knew someone who was pregnant via rape, and kept the child instead of aborting it.

This all goes back to how people view the right of a woman to do whatever she wants versus the right to life of the baby. Just another avenue of disagreement really. But, again, if a person meets someone who was a rape victim's child, it can make it at least a little harder for people to just quickly dismiss the situation.
 
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ericredaxe said:
I totally respect her decision to keep the child. I would also totally respect a rape victims decision to terminate the pregnancy.

Why isn't it simple? It should be the choice of the rape victim and nobody else's. Seems pretty simple to me.

Edit: I noticed you dodged my question too....
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I respect his position. However, there is no way for them to have that position and not support forcing someone to carry their rapist child to term. It's not an easy position to have and I don't see any way that our society at this point in time can go that route.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Typical dodge of the issue.
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Bob, forcing rape victims via govt policy to have their rapists child is Talibanesque. I don't know if I know anybody who's the result of a crime such as this but it doesn't change my opinion one iota. Its the women's decision and her's alone to make that call, not yours. Nobody appointed you God Bob, and you and your ilk seem to struggle with that on this issue. Its barbaric to make a women go through that, essentially against her will which is how the pregnancy happened in the first place.

Now answer the question. Why do you think you have the right, via govt policy, to force these women to accept your view on what they should do? I await your response.
 
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Rover said:
Bob, forcing rape victims via govt policy to have their rapists child is Talibanesque. I don't know if I know anybody who's the result of a crime such as this but it doesn't change my opinion one iota. Its the women's decision and her's alone to make that call, not yours. Nobody appointed you God Bob, and you and your ilk seem to struggle with that on this issue. Its barbaric to make a women go through that, essentially against her will which is how the pregnancy happened in the first place.

Now answer the question. Why do you think you have the right, via govt policy, to force these women to accept your view on what they should do? I await your response.
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The question becomes what does God want? Every child is a precious gift, but did God really want the rape to happen?

It certainly is a paradox.
 
Bob Gray said:
Ever met a person who was a rape victim's child? If you do, you won't find it so easy to tell that person they should have been aborted.
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Ever met a rape victim? If you do, you won't find it so easy to tell that person they should've been forced to carry their rapists child. (Key word, forced).
 
Rover said:
THIS pretty much lays waste to conservative theory about tax cuts spurring job growth. Fron CNBC today and I'm surprised they allowed it to be printed given how much they carry the water for Republicans.
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Please trim this to 4 paragraphs and while you're at it, wrap quoted material in quote tags.
 
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