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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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Bob Gray said:
The old chicken and egg. Is news coverage is this country rubbish because that's what is in demand, or does the public want such stuff and the networks are merely providing what is wanted? Probably some of both.
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Back before it started hiring the Lara Logan's of the world, 60 Minutes delivered quality news and was one of the highest rated shows for decades. Now its a joke of course, but like the rest of journalism network execs think the E Channel crowd are the only people they need to target. The problem rests with the quality of the product first and foremost. That's why many of us turn to The Economist or NPR for news and analysis. There's nowhere else to go.
 
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The Tories have finally found voter fraud!

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=325853

Robert Monroe, a 50-year-old Shorewood health insurance executive, was charged Friday with 13 felonies related to his voting a dozen times in five elections between 2011 and 2012 using his own name as well as that of his son and his girlfriend's son.

"During 2011 and 2012, the defendant, Robert Monroe, became especially focused upon political issues and causes, including especially the recall elections," the complaint asserts in its introduction.

WisPolitics.com reported the investigation into Monroe's multiple voting last week after Milwaukee County Judge J.D. Watts ordered the records related to a secret John Doe investigation be made public after the investigation was closed.

According to those records, Monroe was considered by investigators to be the most prolific multiple voter in memory. He was a supporter of Gov. Scott Walker and state Sen. Alberta Darling, both Republicans, and allegedly cast five ballots in the June 2012 election in which Walker survived a recall challenge.

According to the John Doe records, Monroe claimed to have a form of temporary amnesia and did not recall the election day events when confronted by investigators.
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Temporary amnesia.
 
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This is great. It's Issa all over again.

Step 1: Republican invents Obama "scandal," bloviates to press, breathlessly initiates investigation.

Step 2: (oops)

Step 3: Investigation exonerates Obama and turns up real scandal involving Republicans.
 
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Rover said:
Back before it started hiring the Lara Logan's of the world, 60 Minutes delivered quality news and was one of the highest rated shows for decades. Now its a joke of course, but like the rest of journalism network execs think the E Channel crowd are the only people they need to target. The problem rests with the quality of the product first and foremost. That's why many of us turn to The Economist or NPR for news and analysis. There's nowhere else to go.
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The BBC used to be great but even it's going downhill. Al Jazeera is great (just ignore anything involving Qatar), but AJ America is dumbed down for the CNN crowd.

Alongside the fall of 60 Minutes, which has been spectacular, is the fall of WSJ, which in a decade went from pouty but serious international coverage to a hack GOP house organ for the kind of douche who thinks Malcolm Gladwell is profound.

The Economist is still great. Foreign Policy is very good but it's behind an impenetrable paywall.

Another really bad crash is National Review. When Buckley ran NR it was obviously hyper-partisan, but it was intelligent and that rarest of things: right wing intellectual. Now it's written at a third grade level and publishes drivel, and even marginally educated conservatives know it's a joke. When American Spectator readers look down on you, that's a bad sign.
 
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Kepler said:
This is great. It's Issa all over again.

Step 1: Republican invents Obama "scandal," bloviates to press, breathlessly initiates investigation.

Step 2: (oops)

Step 3: Investigation exonerates Obama and turns up real scandal involving Republicans.
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When in a glass house they don't throw stones they throw the whole brickyard.
 
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Kepler said:
the kind of douche who thinks Malcolm Gladwell is profound.
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THANK YOU for properly characterizing this personality type so succintly. Please publish widely for the purpose of general public awareness.
 
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Rover said:
They're all hucksters, and they're killing the GOP. Fox, Drudge, Brietbart, Hannity, Levin, etc - its all a giant con. I doubt any of these people truly give a rat's @ ss about "conservative principles" - can anybody even tell me what a real conservative looks like anymore? Its all about generating outrage amongst the same older dwindling portion of the population to drive up ratings. That's all well and good, but now its causing the party to cannibalize each other as Cantor and now most likely Cochran get turfed. It works for me, but I'm not sure how it works for the people who lean right but aren't completely insane.
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Fox News, the network that dominates cable news, generates outrage among a small group of individuals who routinely die off from old age in an effort to drive up its ratings? That's an interesting theory.
 
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Kepler said:
This is great. It's Issa all over again.

Step 1: Republican invents Obama "scandal," bloviates to press, breathlessly initiates investigation.

Step 2: (oops)

Step 3: Investigation exonerates Obama and turns up real scandal involving Republicans.
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That is too funny. Grassley is another senile old dinosaur. I loved it when in a fit of competency by a reporter he was asked if he approved of keeping the DC appeals court divided evenly between Dem and GOP appointees when Bush was President. For some reason he had no problem with having more Republican judges than Dem ones back then. I wonder what changed his mind.....
 
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Critical Thinker said:
Fox News, the network that dominates cable news, generates outrage among a small group of individuals who routinely die off from old age in an effort to drive up its ratings? That's an interesting theory.
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Fox news veiwership is 1) going down, and 2) getting older. Try to keep up, will ya?
 
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With MS dinosaur Senator Thad Cochrane about to get turfed perhaps, this is a good time to look up which states are most dependent on federal dollars!

http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

Huh...12 out of the 13 states least dependent are Obama states....while almost all of the most dependent states are solidly Republican!

Well, I hope Cochrane's challenger walks the walk and votes to cut Mississippi's parasitic existence on us hard working, tax paying blue states. :D
 
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The only thing that could hurt FNC would be the rise of a stronger conservative entertainment provider. Anyone who seeks factual information has long since moved on. The remaining audience is there to have their worldview reinforced. They're the network equivalent of home schooling your kids to keep them from being exposed to dangerous novelties like evolution or free blacks or women's right of inheritance.

It's hard to see how anybody could challenge them for their captive viewership. FNC has shown they will put on anybody, no matter how crazy, who gives their people what they want, so they can't be outflanked. Anybody coming at them from the middle doesn't give the audience the outrage spike. Anybody coming at them from real journalism can't guarantee the viewers the orthodoxy filter they require to keep up their denial of reality.

Fox won't lead news ratings in 10 years, but they'll never go away. Even as their demo drops from 33 to 15 to 7 percent of the population, that's still millions of rube eyeballs to sell to opportunists.
 
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Kepler said:
The only thing that could hurt FNC would be the rise of a stronger conservative entertainment provider.
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They'd be hurt more if every single person who goes on message boards or other public forums and complains about the obscene bias of the network just stopped watching it.
 
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SJHovey said:
They'd be hurt more if every single person who goes on message boards or other public forums and complains about the obscene bias of the network just stopped watching it.
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I pretty much have stopped watching it. They used to have the appearance of some balanced commentary but now that it's gone to full derp mode (pretty much when Hannity was given his own show) I stopped partaking. I'll still catch the Sunday show once in a while for a laugh.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I pretty much have stopped watching it. They used to have the appearance of some balanced commentary but now that it's gone to full derp mode (pretty much when Hannity was given his own show) I stopped partaking. I'll still catch the Sunday show once in a while for a laugh.
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Interesting thing is that Pew doesn't seem to think they are the most biased
 
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