2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

[Kepler]

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Yah, I used to like the line-item veto, but it seems there's too many ways to play games with it. I recall reading stories where people creatively line-itemed out parts of sentences, etc. to create a result totally unrelated to what was in the bill initially.

Agreed that with the current batch in Congress (and the Presidency), reforms mean little, as there'll always be loopholes found/created and people who abuse the system aren't likely to support reforming the system so they can't abuse it as easily.

"Congress shall make no law..."

Just cross out the "no."

 

[Kepler]

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I guess it was inevitable that executive orders would be abused, like other parts of the process are, as politicians focus more and more on the end result, regardless of what they have to do to get there.

I'm shocked it wasn't abused earlier. There is nothing new under the sun, and as nasty as politics is now there have been times in the past when it was even nastier.

There are two mistakes when one runs up against an obsolete procedural barrier: impatience (just blow right through it) and defeatism ("whoa is me, no further progress is possible.") The correct approach is to gather the support to legitimately amend or remove the barrier.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I'm shocked it wasn't abused earlier. There is nothing new under the sun, and as nasty as politics is now there have been times in the past when it was even nastier.

There are two mistakes when one runs up against an obsolete procedural barrier: impatience (just blow right through it) and defeatism ("whoa is me, no further progress is possible.") The correct approach is to gather the support to legitimately amend or remove the barrier.

Agreed. Oh, and good to see you around here. You're a nice change of pace to some of the shriekers around here.

 

[geezer]

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Agreed. Oh, and good to see you around here. You're a nice change of pace to some of the shriekers around here.

I don't know if letting Kepler in is good or bad. I must have wasted about two hours yesterday plowing through the free parts of "Doubt: A History" on Amazon and now my head hurts.

 

[ericredaxe]

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For Obama, he's doing it at a pretty regular clip and seems to be picking up speed.

According to the chart that was linked, he is actually slowing down. 147 in the first 4 years, 21 in the first year of the 2nd term.

That is as compared to 291 by "W"; 364 by Clinton and 381 by Regan. Bush Sr had 166 in his 4 years.

 

[geezer]

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According to the chart that was linked, he is actually slowing down. 147 in the first 4 years, 21 in the first year of the 2nd term.

That is as compared to 291 by "W"; 364 by Clinton and 381 by Regan. Bush Sr had 166 in his 4 years.

Nobama is a lazy slacker! Must be too busy golfing to issue a decent number of orders.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm just tired of the Koch Brothers being dragged across the coals constantly, while almost no one every says a word about Soros, who was at this long before I ever heard of the Koch Brothers.

There's a reason they keep coming up.

Meanwhile, AFP is only a portion of their spending and activity.

There are a lot of creeps trying to make our government their personal slush fund (just wait until the young tech guys, who tend to be liberal, start cramming their hundreds of millions into the game), but at the moment those two are the most dangerous.

 

[Bob Gray]

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According to the chart that was linked, he is actually slowing down. 147 in the first 4 years, 21 in the first year of the 2nd term.

That is as compared to 291 by "W"; 364 by Clinton and 381 by Regan. Bush Sr had 166 in his 4 years.

I don't think raw numbers mean a whole lot. I'd say Obama saves his for bigger fish, in comparison to past presidents.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I don't know if letting Kepler in is good or bad. I must have wasted about two hours yesterday plowing through the free parts of "Doubt: A History" on Amazon and now my head hurts.

Hey, in my book he's light years better than the likes of unofan and his personal attacks or the epic meltdowns Gurth used to have in response to my posts. I just regret being so lenient with my ignore function for those folks. I find Kepler thoughtful and interesting, even if we disagree on the subject matter more often than not.

 

[geezer]

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Hey, in my book he's light years better than the likes of unofan and his personal attacks or the epic meltdowns Gurth used to have in response to my posts. I just regret being so lenient with my ignore function for those folks. I find Kepler thoughtful and interesting, even if we disagree on the subject matter more often than not.

Mine was actually a backhanded expression of gratitude for the book referral. Because I'm elderly and my lumbago is acting up.

 

[St. Clown]

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I don't think raw numbers mean a whole lot. I'd say Obama saves his for bigger fish, in comparison to past presidents.

Yeah, I'd like to know how each of those past presidents used their executive order powers. Was it to direct the executive branch on how to execute the laws passed by Congress? Was it to add scope to laws already in place? Were they used to bypass Congress entirely? Or were they something else entirely, like establishing honorary days for pork rinds and such? The use to which they're put means more than the sheer volumes.

 

[Kepler]

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That sound you are hearing is the entire Echo Chamber having an orgasm.

 

[joecct]

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So when the next Tory is in the White House I expect these same people to be apoplectic. Right?

Why not? The Executive enforces the laws passed by the Legislative. Nowhere does it say that the Executive writes laws or makes new policy. Policy has to happen within the framework of existing legislation. If you don't like it, veto it and get the legislative to come back with a bill that is acceptable.

If nothing happens, which I do expect, I wonder if a new GOP president, can, with one stroke of the pen, void out the PPACA, citing unilateral changes made by the previous administration? Personally, I would not do it as it infringes upon the separation of powers, but power is a powerful aphrodisiac.

 

[Old Pio]

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"Hildebeest?" Works for me.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Hahahaha. That's pretty good. Hildebeast.

 

[Priceless]

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According to a guest on Faux News, Bill Clinton plotted his own death to help Hillary win the presidency. And the host (Steve D0uchey) thought this was plausible.
Do these people understand how deranged they sound?

 

[cF[Authentic]]

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Apparently, Obamas nomination for Norweigan Ambassador has never been to Norway and during a senate hearing, he talked about Norways president, which they don't have. But he did help raise money for Obama's campaign so he is easily qualified.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Apparently, Obamas nomination for Norweigan Ambassador has never been to Norway and during a senate hearing, he talked about Norways president, which they don't have. But he did help raise money for Obama's campaign so he is easily qualified.

Far from the first fumble by an Obama ambassador appointment. These have happened with some regularity during his administration. I remember seeing a story about how he was appointing a higher percentage of ambassadors that are patronage appointments than any other recent president.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Far from the first fumble by an Obama ambassador appointment. These have happened with some regularity during his administration. I remember seeing a story about how he was appointing a higher percentage of ambassadors that are patronage appointments than any other recent president.

Monumentally stupid IMO but there are more important issues.

 

[Priceless]

Far from the first fumble by any ambassador appointment. These have happened with some regularity during most administrations.

fixed
But since it's Obama, it's grounds for impeachment.