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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
You're response says it all. Might as well close the thread.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
I'm sorry, Bob. I really am. The science is pretty clear on this issue.
I'm sorry, Bob. I really am. The science is pretty clear on this issue.
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Depends on your religion or lack thereof. Being a religious argument, I don't see how this discussion can be productive. We'll all live our lives as we see fit and as guided by our own principles.
Depends on your religion or lack thereof. Being a religious argument, I don't see how this discussion can be productive. We'll all live our lives as we see fit and as guided by our own principles.
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Gurtholfin
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
True. Science means nothing in this country. Especially in politics. My bad.
True. Science means nothing in this country. Especially in politics. My bad.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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This is my last comment on the topic.
Personally, I've been listening to a lot of people refer to themselves as "recovering alcoholics" lately. I've never heard anyone, including either of my gay friends, announce they had a gay problem and start calling themselves "recovering homosexuals". Just saying, I don't think you can 12 Step that one, try as some Christian groups might, because it's not a chemical substance that rewires the brain over time in an attempt to take over your life. That is because the brain is already oriented that way at birth.
This is my last comment on the topic.
Personally, I've been listening to a lot of people refer to themselves as "recovering alcoholics" lately. I've never heard anyone, including either of my gay friends, announce they had a gay problem and start calling themselves "recovering homosexuals". Just saying, I don't think you can 12 Step that one, try as some Christian groups might, because it's not a chemical substance that rewires the brain over time in an attempt to take over your life. That is because the brain is already oriented that way at birth.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Just to be clear, am I correct to assume that you are implying homosexuality is a choice, and a bad/poor/whatever one at that?
Just to be clear, am I correct to assume that you are implying homosexuality is a choice, and a bad/poor/whatever one at that?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
No, apparently it's not. God doesn't make mistakes like that.
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This question misses the point somewhat. "Homosexuality" (broadly) is no more a choice than jealousy or vanity or generosity, but some people question whether your actions and lifestyle ought to be guided by any of those things. What parts of ourselves do we want to live in fulfillment of? Or you could say that homosexual inclinations are beyond our control, but sodomy is a choice.
This question misses the point somewhat. "Homosexuality" (broadly) is no more a choice than jealousy or vanity or generosity, but some people question whether your actions and lifestyle ought to be guided by any of those things. What parts of ourselves do we want to live in fulfillment of? Or you could say that homosexual inclinations are beyond our control, but sodomy is a choice.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Can you say the same thing(s) about Heterosexuality?
Can you say the same thing(s) about Heterosexuality?
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Of course. You could also say it about eating grapefruits (you might be hungry as all get-out for citrus, but for whatever reason feel a need to resist). Everyone has their own principles to live by. I know what kind of person I want in my bed, but I'm not here to judge someone else.
The point being that everything we do is a choice, but what we are and what we feel are not.
Of course. You could also say it about eating grapefruits (you might be hungry as all get-out for citrus, but for whatever reason feel a need to resist). Everyone has their own principles to live by. I know what kind of person I want in my bed, but I'm not here to judge someone else.
The point being that everything we do is a choice, but what we are and what we feel are not.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Depends - how much have I had to drink?
Depends - how hot is she?
Depends - how much have I had to drink?
unofan
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Bob's inclinations to speak out in a bigoted manner against gays may be beyond his control, but his actually doing so is a choice.
Is that the logic we're going with?
ericredaxe
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Well we know the church has always been anti-science. Heck as far back as the 16th century Galileo was ostracized by the church when he had the gall to suggest that the Earth might actually rotate around the sun.
Well we know the church has always been anti-science. Heck as far back as the 16th century Galileo was ostracized by the church when he had the gall to suggest that the Earth might actually rotate around the sun.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
His comparisons were not religious, though; they were based upon healthy living. Excessive alcohol and chocolate consumption is bad for your health, so don't make those choices. Also, don't choose to act out on your gay instincts, same thing.
His comparisons were not religious, though; they were based upon healthy living. Excessive alcohol and chocolate consumption is bad for your health, so don't make those choices. Also, don't choose to act out on your gay instincts, same thing.
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Exactly right. But I didn't read back far enough to see anything bigoted from him, I was actually trying to support the point I saw him making about alcoholism.
Exactly right. But I didn't read back far enough to see anything bigoted from him, I was actually trying to support the point I saw him making about alcoholism.
Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
I don't understand that argument, whether from Bob or any of the various nutjob politicians. I guess I was speaking more to a traditional Christian understanding of the inclination to sin. Perhaps he was comparing the damage of alcoholism to a sin-damaged soul? Bob?
I don't understand that argument, whether from Bob or any of the various nutjob politicians. I guess I was speaking more to a traditional Christian understanding of the inclination to sin. Perhaps he was comparing the damage of alcoholism to a sin-damaged soul? Bob?
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