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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
This is the old "support the troops but not the mission" routine. You can't have it both ways. There are no levels of respect owed to combat vets and doing so is a massive disservice to them. You are telling them that it's nice they risked their lives for their country but that other guy risked his life and is better than you because of when it was done. They don't get a choice of where they go or what happens in the world. They sign up and go where they are needed and serve to the best of their ability and should be admired for that. Period.
This is the old "support the troops but not the mission" routine. You can't have it both ways. There are no levels of respect owed to combat vets and doing so is a massive disservice to them. You are telling them that it's nice they risked their lives for their country but that other guy risked his life and is better than you because of when it was done. They don't get a choice of where they go or what happens in the world. They sign up and go where they are needed and serve to the best of their ability and should be admired for that. Period.
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Actually you can. One can easily feel for the troops, but not support the war. Iraq is a great and recent example of that. To say otherwise is completely stupid, if that's what you're going for kudos to you!
Actually you can. One can easily feel for the troops, but not support the war. Iraq is a great and recent example of that. To say otherwise is completely stupid, if that's what you're going for kudos to you!
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Beg to differ. To not speak out against military action which puts our soldiers' lives at risk but which is unjustified or poorly supported is irresponsible. Soldiers are not idiots. I have a friend who went to a military academy, became a ranger, and spent two years jumping out of helicopters at night into the Afghan mountains and who was extremely critical of the work he was being asked to do because of the military policy behind it (trusting Afghan intelligence and military support primarily). This guy completely supported his father, who had another son in a different academy and was proud of his sons' service, writing letters to the editor questioning our military policy there at the time. In both father's and son's view, it was simply a matter of lives being wasted for little gain or purpose.
I may have misunderstood your post, Tiggsy, but it is not only possible to support the troops and not the mission, it is our duty to oppose a mission we feel is bad policy just as it is our moral obligation to support the soldiers themselves. We may be wrong, of course, but we owe it to those soldiers to speak out against a mission we feel is unjustified yet likely to cost them their lives.
Again, I may have misunderstood you.
Beg to differ. To not speak out against military action which puts our soldiers' lives at risk but which is unjustified or poorly supported is irresponsible. Soldiers are not idiots. I have a friend who went to a military academy, became a ranger, and spent two years jumping out of helicopters at night into the Afghan mountains and who was extremely critical of the work he was being asked to do because of the military policy behind it (trusting Afghan intelligence and military support primarily). This guy completely supported his father, who had another son in a different academy and was proud of his sons' service, writing letters to the editor questioning our military policy there at the time. In both father's and son's view, it was simply a matter of lives being wasted for little gain or purpose.
I may have misunderstood your post, Tiggsy, but it is not only possible to support the troops and not the mission, it is our duty to oppose a mission we feel is bad policy just as it is our moral obligation to support the soldiers themselves. We may be wrong, of course, but we owe it to those soldiers to speak out against a mission we feel is unjustified yet likely to cost them their lives.
Again, I may have misunderstood you.
dxmnkd316
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This post makes me ill. All of our troops deserve our support and you cherry picking them depending on the politics of the war is beyond me.
Edit: and for the record I have dealt with a number of vets. My grandfather was in the Navy during WII in the pacific theater and my uncle is a Vietnam vet. My cousin never saw armed conflict but he was in the airborne. Another uncle has a stepson who is currently serving on an aircraft carrier and a cousin has a stepson in the army as well.
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OK, I'm slow. What do posters mean when they do that?
OK, I'm slow. What do posters mean when they do that?
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I assume that when you talk about a "duty to oppose a mission we feel is bad policy" you're excluding parading around with the flags of our enemies and traveling to their capital cities to pose with their soldiers. And let's not forget causing our POW's to be tortured for refusing to participate in enemy dog and pony shows.
And with the deepest respect for your friend, who has certainly earned it, let me point out that b*tching is something people in the service do, just about all the time. On matters great and small. And when they're in situations involving contact with an enemy, the b*tching is louder and more pointed. As a general rule, GI's (officers and enlisted) think the people above them in the chain of command are idiots, who have no idea "what we're up against."
I assume that when you talk about a "duty to oppose a mission we feel is bad policy" you're excluding parading around with the flags of our enemies and traveling to their capital cities to pose with their soldiers. And let's not forget causing our POW's to be tortured for refusing to participate in enemy dog and pony shows.
And with the deepest respect for your friend, who has certainly earned it, let me point out that b*tching is something people in the service do, just about all the time. On matters great and small. And when they're in situations involving contact with an enemy, the b*tching is louder and more pointed. As a general rule, GI's (officers and enlisted) think the people above them in the chain of command are idiots, who have no idea "what we're up against."
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You mean people who parade around with the Confederate Flag?
You mean people who parade around with the Confederate Flag?
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From the WaPo - it's a great read, and I'm not a particular fan of the paper's content... http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...102-11e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_story.html?hpid=z3
Hope you all can read it - enjoy.
From the WaPo - it's a great read, and I'm not a particular fan of the paper's content... http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...102-11e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_story.html?hpid=z3
Hope you all can read it - enjoy.
Critical Thinker
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Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line
Who's going to be the new White House Spokeskid?
Who's going to be the new White House Spokeskid?
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Such a sly boots you are. But apparently unable to differentiate between displaying the enemy's flag while the fighting and dying is actually going on and doing so 150 years later. Pish, tush, it's all the same in libtard land, isn't it? Jane Fonda and some Kappa Alpha Order pledge? The same.
Such a sly boots you are. But apparently unable to differentiate between displaying the enemy's flag while the fighting and dying is actually going on and doing so 150 years later. Pish, tush, it's all the same in libtard land, isn't it? Jane Fonda and some Kappa Alpha Order pledge? The same.
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Smoking in the selection room.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. A guy's system can only handle so much country gravy before it bottlenecks and everything turns to fuzz.
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No, actually the actions of one actress don't really compare to the murder of 365,000 Americans and those who celebrate it.
I think if you pay attention to the number of elected Tories in the South who commemorate Confederate Memorial Day you'll see it's more than just a few fraternity pledges.
No, actually the actions of one actress don't really compare to the murder of 365,000 Americans and those who celebrate it.
I think if you pay attention to the number of elected Tories in the South who commemorate Confederate Memorial Day you'll see it's more than just a few fraternity pledges.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
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Bollocks. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Can you adduce any evidence that commemoration of Confederate Memorial Day is meant to celebrate the "murders" of Union soldiers? Or is that just something that "everybody" (read: libtards) "knows?"
So in your mind, Jane Fonda traveling to Hanoi and doing propaganda for an enemy and causing our POWs to be tortured is what, bad manners? And she was merely the most prominent person who collaborated with the North Vietnamese, not the only one. But that's your specialty, isn't it? Moral equivalence. Jane Fonda's treasonous behavior stands on its own. And isn't ameliorated by what others do. Why can't you just criticize her? Because you approve? That what she did was an exercise of her "First Amendment rights?" Rights, which btw, you seem somewhat less enthusiastic about supporting for southerners who want to celebrate their heritage. Typical. Nobody's being killed in the Civil War now. Many Americans were being killed while Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to our enemies in Hanoi. A distinction which you're evidently unable to make. And doesn't matter.
All of those "Tories" used to be in your party, baby cakes. H*ll, you even nominated a couple of 'em to run with Adlai.
Bollocks. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Can you adduce any evidence that commemoration of Confederate Memorial Day is meant to celebrate the "murders" of Union soldiers? Or is that just something that "everybody" (read: libtards) "knows?"
So in your mind, Jane Fonda traveling to Hanoi and doing propaganda for an enemy and causing our POWs to be tortured is what, bad manners? And she was merely the most prominent person who collaborated with the North Vietnamese, not the only one. But that's your specialty, isn't it? Moral equivalence. Jane Fonda's treasonous behavior stands on its own. And isn't ameliorated by what others do. Why can't you just criticize her? Because you approve? That what she did was an exercise of her "First Amendment rights?" Rights, which btw, you seem somewhat less enthusiastic about supporting for southerners who want to celebrate their heritage. Typical. Nobody's being killed in the Civil War now. Many Americans were being killed while Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to our enemies in Hanoi. A distinction which you're evidently unable to make. And doesn't matter.
All of those "Tories" used to be in your party, baby cakes. H*ll, you even nominated a couple of 'em to run with Adlai.
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That's how the petrified Pioist teatard mind works. You cannot support the troops but not the mission without violating the Jane Fonda rule.
That's how the petrified Pioist teatard mind works. You cannot support the troops but not the mission without violating the Jane Fonda rule.
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