2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

[ScoobyDoo]

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He didn't primarily pursue policy changes by unilaterally using executive orders, unlike Obama. Very simple difference. But, the next Republican president will feel free reign to do so after Obama's abuse of the process.

BHO is being sued over something that Bush did while he was President. I find that hilarious.

 

[Bob Gray]

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You realize that BHO has used executive orders less than most Presidents, don't you?

Oh, stop it. Name major policy changes any other president put in place by executive order. Obama does it like with alarming regularity. But, hey, I know in your book anything Obama does is A okay.

 

[joecct]

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There are Executive Orders (National Chicken Day) and there are EXECUTIVE ORDERS (circumvent the will of Congress).

The people should be happy with the first and terrified of the second.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Oh, stop it. Name major policy changes any other president put in place by executive order. Obama does it like with alarming regularity. But, hey, I know in your book anything Obama does is A okay.

Then why are they suing him over something Bush did and not one of those? Or Impeaching him?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Then why are they suing him over something Bush did and not one of those? Or Impeaching him?

Bush is somehow to blame for Obama's executive orders he's been issuing whilly nilly? Even for you that's a stretch, but I guess even 6-7 years on some people aren't over blaming Bush for everything. Certainly if Bush had done better our men's soccer team would have won the World Cup.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Bush is somehow to blame for Obama's executive orders he's been issuing whilly nilly? Even for you that's a stretch, but I guess even 6-7 years on some people aren't over blaming Bush for everything. Certainly if Bush had done better our men's soccer team would have won the World Cup.

They are suing him for delaying implementation of a piece of the Affordable Care Act. Bush delayed implementation of Medicare Part D the same way.

Again, why are Republicans suing him over something that Bush did and not one of these egregious felonies you and others keep talking about?

 

[Bob Gray]

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They are suing him for delaying implementation of a piece of the Affordable Care Act. Bush delayed implementation of Medicare Part D the same way.

Again, why are Republicans suing him over something that Bush did and not one of these egregious felonies you and others keep talking about?

Medicare Part D has bipartisan support and I don't recall Bush doing anything substantive to alter it's implementation. Not to mention that something being delayed a little is hardly comparable to the major policy shifts Obama has done unilaterally. And even then, how do you see the House suing Obama over something Bush did? Your imagination is even more active than usual today. But, keep pushing the party line, however nonsensical it is.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Medicare Part D has bipartisan support and I don't recall Bush doing anything substantive to alter it's implementation. Not to mention that something being delayed a little is hardly comparable to the major policy shifts Obama has done unilaterally. And even then, how do you see the House suing Obama over something Bush did? Your imagination is even more active than usual today. But, keep pushing the party line, however nonsensical it is.

Bush delayed his law. Obama delayed his. Obama gets sued. Bush did not.

It's not that hard, Bob.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Bush delayed his law. Obama delayed his. Obama gets sued. Bush did not.

It's not that hard, Bob.

Keep your head in the sand.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Keep your head in the sand.

At least I don't have to feel persecuted all the time.

 

[Bob Gray]

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At least I don't have to feel persecuted all the time.

You don't have to, but you do.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Medicare Part D has bipartisan support

Not in any way relevant

and I don't recall Bush doing anything substantive to alter it's implementation.

He did precisely the same thing Obama is being sued for.

Not to mention that something being delayed a little is hardly comparable to the major policy shifts Obama has done unilaterally.

Congress is suing Obama for delaying a provision of the ACA. I take it then, you are in agreement that this is inappropriate?

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Regardless of the merits of the lawsuit, impeachment is the appropriate course of action. The lawsuit is a cowardly half measure intended to appease the screamers.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Not in any way relevant


He did precisely the same thing Obama is being sued for.


Congress is suing Obama for delaying a provision of the ACA. I take it then, you are in agreement that this is inappropriate?

You're right, they should be suing him for a whole lot more, but I can understand they can only take one bite of the apple at a time.

All this yammering about Bush and Medicare D and supposed problems all the sudden. No references to any documentation.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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You're right, they should be suing him for a whole lot more, but I can understand they can only take one bite of the apple at a time.

Ok, but the bite they're taking is for doing something you seem to be excusing Bush for having also done. You understand this...right?

 

[Rover]

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You're right, they should be suing him for a whole lot more, but I can understand they can only take one bite of the apple at a time.

All this yammering about Bush and Medicare D and supposed problems all the sudden. No references to any documentation.

Bob, joe, read 'em and weep I guess. And when you're done, kindly tell me why you think Bush II should be allowed to delay implementation of his laws but Obama can't, and if you supported suing Bush back then.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/07/AR2005110701415.html



"The online interactive tool has been pitched as a high-tech way to help the 43 million Medicare beneficiaries sort through all the drug coverage choices. After seniors key in their name, birth date, the names of drugs they take and other information, the Web site spits out a personalized list of drug plans in their area ranked by annual cost.

Advocates for seniors say they expect the tool to be an indispensable aid in signing people up for this significant new government-sponsored benefit.

Problem is, the Medicare folks have had some trouble getting the tool up and running. The original debut date was Oct. 13, but officials delayed it, citing the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur. Next it was promised on Oct. 17, but that day, too, came and went without personalized plan comparisons being available. "

 

[GrinCDXX]

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All this yammering about Bush and Medicare D and supposed problems all the sudden. No references to any documentation.

Bob, joe, read 'em and weep I guess. And when you're done, kindly tell me why you think Bush II should be allowed to delay implementation of his laws but Obama can't, and if you supported suing Bush back then.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/07/AR2005110701415.html



"The online interactive tool has been pitched as a high-tech way to help the 43 million Medicare beneficiaries sort through all the drug coverage choices. After seniors key in their name, birth date, the names of drugs they take and other information, the Web site spits out a personalized list of drug plans in their area ranked by annual cost.

Advocates for seniors say they expect the tool to be an indispensable aid in signing people up for this significant new government-sponsored benefit.

Problem is, the Medicare folks have had some trouble getting the tool up and running. The original debut date was Oct. 13, but officials delayed it, citing the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur. Next it was promised on Oct. 17, but that day, too, came and went without personalized plan comparisons being available. "

woah, how did you find that? It's almost as if you had access to some sort of "engine" that can "search" for online information.

 

[Rover]

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woah, how did you find that? It's almost as if you had access to some sort of "engine" that could "search" for online information.

well, I tried Fox, Drudge, Hannity, etc and there was NO MENTION of it, so at first I thought it didn't exist! Then I took a chance and tried that newfangled invention: Google.

 

[Priceless]

You're right, they should be suing him for a whole lot more, but I can understand they can only take one bite of the apple at a time.

All this yammering about Bush and Medicare D and supposed problems all the sudden. No references to any documentation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/14/obamacare-medicare_n_4788731.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/16/politics/16drug.html?_r=0

With tens of thousands of people unable to get medicines promised by Medicare, the Bush administration has told insurers that they must provide a 30-day supply of any drug that a beneficiary was previously taking, and it said that poor people must not be charged more than $5 for a covered drug.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2014/02/lawless-obama-where-was-paul-ryan-when-a-lawless-bush-extended-medicare-part-d-deadlines-and-waived-penalties-2477456.html

Here’s a new wrinkle that should embarrass Paul Ryan, who has based his “lawless Obama” claim on “illegal” delays on the Affordable Care Act’s rollout. But Ryan said nothing about his own rollout of Medicare’s Plan D implementation:
When Plan D implementation struggled, the Bush/Cheney administration unilaterally extended deadlines and waived penalties – relying on nothing but executive discretion and regularity authority. Why is this important? In general, it’s not, except now that the Obama administration is taking similar steps, Republicans are characterizing it as the end of our constitutional system of government.

-When Bush used his powers to improve implementation of a federal health care policy, no one raised a fuss, but now that Obama’s done the same thing, congressional Republicans are convinced he’s a lawless radical violating the Constitution.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/where-the-parallels-end

But there was one angle in particular that Stein flagged that I’d forgotten about: when Plan D implementation struggled, the Bush/Cheney administration unilaterally extended deadlines and waived penalties – relying on nothing but executive discretion and regulatory authority.

 

[burd]

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/14/obamacare-medicare_n_4788731.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/16/politics/16drug.html?_r=0


http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-li...d-deadlines-and-waived-penalties-2477456.html




http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/where-the-parallels-end

There is a very simple reason why your attempt to provide us with evidence is and will always be futile: Bush good, Obama bad.