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2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

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unofan said:
Varnum turns 5 today. And yet somehow the world is still here and people's marriages are as strong as ever.
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maybe yours is, but my neighbors had their marriage shattered when a gang of marauding homosexuals broke into their home and started performing lewd sex acts right there in the living room! Now the former husband lives with a box turtle and the former wife lives with a group of lesbians
 
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Bob Gray said:
You haven't listened to one of Obama's efforts to make it sound like he's trying to balance the budget or reduce the deficit, eh? Even around here I regularly get arguments that the Dems do as much or more to balance the budget as Republicans do. There isn't a whole lot of honestly from either party about budgetary issues. The tea party folks have their flaws, but they're at least pretty straightforward in pushing for more fiscal responsibility (cue up people freaking out about the tea party).
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Yeah, but he actually did reduce the deficit. And the number one thing he did in my mind is he put the wars on the books. If you remember correctly Bush never accounted for the wars in his budgets. So, I'd give Obama a C+ on budget honesty to Ryan's F.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, but he actually did reduce the deficit. And the number one thing he did in my mind is he put the wars on the books. If you remember correctly Bush never accounted for the wars in his budgets. So, I'd give Obama a C+ on budget honesty to Ryan's F.
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You actually believe Obama is a lot better than Bush on this? :eek:

I forgot just how big an Obama apologist you are. I'll try not to forget again.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You actually believe Obama is a lot better than Bush on this? :eek:

I forgot just how big an Obama apologist you are. I'll try not to forget again.
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So, you think Bush is better? He hid the war off the books. What do you think Bush did better? He sat on the throne while our Banks destroyed the US economy. His watch. You want to blame everything that's happened on Obama's watch on Obama, that's fine with me. That means Bush tanked the economy of the United States. His SEC failed.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, you think Bush is better? He hid the war off the books. What do you think Bush did better? He sat on the throne while our Banks destroyed the US economy. His watch. You want to blame everything that's happened on Obama's watch on Obama, that's fine with me. That means Bush tanked the economy of the United States. His SEC failed.
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We're talking deficits here. Stop trying to switch subjects. Bush was bad on deficits. Obama significantly worse. The debt grew almost as much in Obama's first four years as it did in Bush's 8 years. I guess that's a win for Obama somehow in your book. And it's growing at a fast past as Obama's second term continues, albeit not quite as rampantly as his first term.
 
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Bob Gray said:
We're talking deficits here. Stop trying to switch subjects. Bush was bad on deficits. Obama significantly worse. The debt grew almost as much in Obama's first four years as it did in Bush's 8 years. I guess that's a win for Obama somehow in your book. And it's growing at a fast past as Obama's second term continues, albeit not quite as rampantly as his first term.
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Discussion on the deficit leads directly to discussion on what happened in '08. Either you believe the Government needed to spend a lot of money to bolster the destroyed economy or you don't. For whatever reason Obama believed he needed to spend, Bush believed he needed to spend, and Congress as a whole believe he needed to spend.

The economy for whatever reason stabilized but never really grew fast enough to get off the spend track.

We're still all waiting for the Bone Man's Jobs Jobs Jobs legislation.

Also, the deficit numbers under Bush are a complete lie cause the war was off the books.
 
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Bob Gray said:
We're talking deficits here. Stop trying to switch subjects. Bush was bad on deficits. Obama significantly worse. The debt grew almost as much in Obama's first four years as it did in Bush's 8 years. I guess that's a win for Obama somehow in your book. And it's growing at a fast past as Obama's second term continues, albeit not quite as rampantly as his first term.
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For lack of something to bang my head against, and your professed desire to help, I'll ask. For each year from 2002 to current what was the annual change in the national debt. This removes any accounting gimmickery. Please look those up, list them for us, and then explain to all of us how based on those numbers Obama's record on the deficit is significantly worse than Bush's. That would be the single most helpful thing you could do.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Bringing up Benghazi should not stop until all involved are executed for treason. Your ilk covered it up because you cared more about an election than the well-being of this country.
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Let's not forget that Flaggy here is campaigning for POTY. Trying to lock it up.


Flaggy, do you care more about this election or the well-being of this board?
 
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jerphisch said:
For lack of something to bang my head against, and your professed desire to help, I'll ask. For each year from 2002 to current what was the annual change in the national debt. This removes any accounting gimmickery. Please look those up, list them for us, and then explain to all of us how based on those numbers Obama's record on the deficit is significantly worse than Bush's. That would be the single most helpful thing you could do.
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Which means he won't and will deflect or just ignore your request.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You actually believe Obama is a lot better than Bush on this? :eek:

I forgot just how big an Obama apologist you are. I'll try not to forget again.
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Significantly, and if that makes me an apologist so be it!

The trick knucks' all try is to give Bush credit for the surplus he inherited upon taking office from Clinton (and promptly squandered) BUT then foster the deficit from the policies of his final year in office onto Obama (recall the bailout bill passed around October 2008). This has the effect of excusing well over a trillion dollars from Bush's tab using accounting gimmickry, but it also makes it look like massive deficits started to happen as soon as Obama became President.

For a so-called truth teller Bob, you sure seem to have your own version of reality.
 
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CEO of Mozilla stepped down because of position against gay marriage. I'm not a huge fan of such actions from a thousand dollar private donation...but in this day and age, if you're a public figure you had better be careful of politics. Capitalism is many things...including judge, jury and executioner.
 
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5mn_Major said:
CEO of Mozilla stepped down because of position against gay marriage. I'm not a huge fan of such actions from a thousand dollar private donation...but in this day and age, if you're a public figure you had better be careful of politics. Capitalism is many things...including judge, jury and executioner.
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It was, indeed, blown far out of proportion. Regardless, free speech is free speech, and it extends to both the anti-gay and pro-gay factions. The reality is that if you're going to support efforts to oppose gay marriage, you'd better be prepared for the backlash, not only personally, but also professionally. Frankly, I don't give a d@mn on the subject - if two men or two women want to grant each other property, visitation, power of attorney rights, etc., then I say let 'em. However scenarios like this are why I have a rule about not discussing politics at work, unless I am at lunch with one of my trusted co-workers (of which there are only two).
 
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5mn_Major said:
CEO of Mozilla stepped down because of position against gay marriage. I'm not a huge fan of such actions from a thousand dollar private donation...but in this day and age, if you're a public figure you had better be careful of politics. Capitalism is many things...including judge, jury and executioner.
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Didn't Obama have the same position back in 08 during his campaign?
 
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5mn_Major said:
CEO of Mozilla stepped down because of position against gay marriage. I'm not a huge fan of such actions from a thousand dollar private donation...but in this day and age, if you're a public figure you had better be careful of politics. Capitalism is many things...including judge, jury and executioner.
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I believe this self-proclaimed homosexual tweeted about it well: http://twitchy.com/2014/04/04/brill...-tweet-to-mozilla-earns-a-thousand-thumbs-up/
 
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